Is the Gov't. freaking for real!?

KhoiFather

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US Preparing for Military Draft in Spring 2005
by Adam Stutz ? Wednesday January 28, 2004 at 09:50 AM

The current agenda of the US federal government is to reinstate the draft in order to staff up for a protracted war on "terrorism." Pending legislation in the House and Senate (twin bills S 89 and HR 163) would time the program so the draft could begin at early as Spring 2005 -- conveniently just after the 2004 presidential election!

Reinstatement of the draft

Dear Friends and Family,

I urge you to read the article below on the current agenda of the federal government to reinstate the draft in order to staff up for a protracted war on "terrorism."

Pending legislation in the House and Senate (twin bills S 89 and HR 163) would time the program so the draft could begin at early as Spring 2005 -- conveniently just after the 2004 presidential election! But the administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed NOW, so our action is needed immediately. Details and links follow.

If voters who currently support U.S. aggression abroad were confronted with the possibility that their own children or grandchildren might not have a say about whether to fight, many of these same voters might have a change of mind. (Not that it should make a difference, but this plan would among other things eliminate higher education as a shelter and would not exclude women -- and Canada is no longer an option.)

Please send this on to all the parents and teachers you know, and all the aunts and uncles, grandparents, godparents.... And let your children know -- it's their future, and they can be a powerful voice for change! Please also write to your representatives to ask them why they aren't telling their constituents about these bills -- and write to newspapers and other media outlets to ask them why they're not covering this important story.

The Draft*

$28 million has been added to the 2004 Selective Service System (SSS) budget to prepare for a military draft that could start as early as June 15, 2005. SSS must report to Bush on March 31, 2005 that the system, which has lain dormant for decades, is ready for activation. Please see website: http://www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html to view the SSS Annual Performance Plan - Fiscal Year 2004.

The Pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to fill all 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots nationwide.. Though this is an unpopular election year topic, military experts and influential members of Congress are suggesting that if Rumsfeld's prediction of a "long, hard slog" in Iraq and Afghanistan [and a permanent state of war on "terrorism"] proves accurate, the U.S. may have no choice but to draft.

Congress brought twin bills, S. 89 and H.R. 163 forward this year, entitled the Universal National Service Act of 2003, "To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons [age 18--26] in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes." These active bills currently sit in the Committee on Armed Services.

Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those from the Vietnam era remember. College and Canada will not be options. In December 2001, Canada and the US signed a "Smart Border Declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's Minister of Foreign Affairs, John Manley, and US Homeland Security Director, Gov. Tom Ridge, the declaration involves a 30-point plan which implements, among other things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of people entering and departing each country. Reforms aimed at making the draft more equitable along gender and class lines also eliminates higher education as a shelter. Underclassmen would only be able to postpone service until the end of their cur-rent semester. Seniors would have until the end of the academic year.

*This article by Adam Stutz is from the "What's Hot Off the Press" column of the newsletter of Project Censored, a media research group at Sonoma State University that tracks the news published in independent journals and newsletters. From these, Project Censored compiles an annual list (more than 20 years running) of 25 news stories of social significance that have been overlooked, under-reported, or self-censored by the country's major national news media. The mission of Project Censored is "to educate people about the role of independent journalism in a democratic society and to tell The News That Didn't Make the News and why."

"What's Hot Off the Press" includes student synopses of articles currently being investigated for inclusion in the next Project Censored report. For more info and/or to receive Project Censored's newsletter, go to http://www.projectcensored.org, or email [censored]@sonoma.edu


Don't beleive it yet? Go to http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/le...lative_home.htm and search for "S 89", then later search for "HR 163" where it says "By Number" and you'll find the articles. I would link you to the articles directly but that doesn't work for some reason.
 

Bills in the Senate do not equal law. It's political suicide right now for any lawmaker to vote in favor of a draft.
 

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Absolutely for real. Recently there are a lot of congressmen calling for this and by all accounts the draft will be reinstated by summer 04. If you're registered with the selective service I'd start running, because it will make basic training all the easier.
 

BigJ

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Would not exclude women huh? I think I smell BS on that, considering a SC decision in 2003 just upheld the Constitutional right to exclude women from the draft.
 

Ness

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Your source is probably very anti-bush and just trying to see that he loses a few votes. I'm about as worried of a draft being enabled as I am worried about waking up with my head physically attached to my ass.
 

Ness

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Absolutely for real. Recently there are a lot of congressmen calling for this and by all accounts the draft will be reinstated by summer 04. If you're registered with the selective service I'd start running, because it will make basic training all the easier.



*under breath*
Lucky immagrant.


;)

Again, not worried in the slightest.

Even if it was, and I was called up... grand. I've been contemplating it anyway.
 

Originally posted by: agnitrate
Originally posted by: jumpr
And why is Canada "no longer an option?"

you didn't even read the post...yeesh.

-silver
No, I read it, but how can you honestly stop people from crossing one of the most open borders in the western hemisphere? 30-point plans don't mean sh!t if I can just go up to North Dakota and cross the border there.
 

HappyPuppy

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Pulls up chair, cracks beer open, opens a jar of peanuts and waits for all the jelly babies to start whining.
 

Zeeky Boogy Doog

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whats the big deal? who cares if they start the draft? are you all that big of puss!es that you wouldnt even go fight for your country? im not going to go sign up for the army, but if i were drafted id go proudly dam it. war is some scary sh!t, but thats no reason to run away from it, dam...
 

clamum

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Originally posted by: PsychoticIdiot
whats the big deal? who cares if they start the draft? are you all that big of puss!es that you wouldnt even go fight for your country? im not going to go sign up for the army, but if i were drafted id go proudly dam it. war is some scary sh!t, but thats no reason to run away from it, dam...

I wouldn't fight in some bullsh1t war for my country
 

Originally posted by: PsychoticIdiot
whats the big deal? who cares if they call the draft? are you all that big of puss!es that you wouldnt even go fight for your country? im not going to go sign up for the army, but if i were drafted id go proudly dam it. war is some scary sh!t, but thats no reason to run away from it, dam...
Hell, I sure hope I've got a guy like you to walk behind in Iraq when we're fighting in a war that was supposed to yield WMDs but hasn't and where soldiers face IEDs around every corner.

If there's a draft, I'll go. But drafting soldiers for a war that's unpopular won't yield the best army. I predict that a draft, if incurred, will result in mass casualties for the U.S. and will greatly lower morale in the military.
 

jadinolf

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Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Pulls up chair, cracks beer open, opens a jar of peanuts and waits for all the jelly babies to start whining.

Can't wait.:D
 

TheVrolok

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I honestly just can't see the draft actually being reinstituted. I don't think it is going to happen. However, if it does, and I get drafted, so be it. Hopefully it won't cause too much damage to my future plans. ;)
 

Mallow

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Luckily I'm in professional school (medical school). That should exclude me from any draft... however, I don't believe it will be instated.
 

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Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Pulls up chair, cracks beer open, opens a jar of peanuts and waits for all the jelly babies to start whining.

Heh, I'm with ya.

Tell you what HP, I don't care what anyone says or how bad it looks, I am NOT going to let my boy die in Iraq if we are still there in 15 years.
 

Originally posted by: TheVrolok
I honestly just can't see the draft actually being reinstituted. I don't think it is going to happen. However, if it does, and I get drafted, so be it. Hopefully it won't cause too much damage to my future plans. ;)
i.e. death.
 

HappyPuppy

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Originally posted by: clamum
Originally posted by: PsychoticIdiot
whats the big deal? who cares if they start the draft? are you all that big of puss!es that you wouldnt even go fight for your country? im not going to go sign up for the army, but if i were drafted id go proudly dam it. war is some scary sh!t, but thats no reason to run away from it, dam...

I wouldn't fight in some bullsh1t war for my country


Uncle Sam doesn't give you the option of picking and choosing which wars you will fight in, unless you are willing to leave the country or go to prison.
 

HappyPuppy

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Originally posted by: jumpr
Originally posted by: PsychoticIdiot
whats the big deal? who cares if they call the draft? are you all that big of puss!es that you wouldnt even go fight for your country? im not going to go sign up for the army, but if i were drafted id go proudly dam it. war is some scary sh!t, but thats no reason to run away from it, dam...
Hell, I sure hope I've got a guy like you to walk behind in Iraq when we're fighting in a war that was supposed to yield WMDs but hasn't and where soldiers face IEDs around every corner.

If there's a draft, I'll go. But drafting soldiers for a war that's unpopular won't yield the best army. I predict that a draft, if incurred, will result in mass casualties for the U.S. and will greatly lower morale in the military.



In all major wars that the U.S. has fought in, popular or not, the citizen soldier (draftees) have always been the most courageous and dedicated. You, on the other hand, I wouldn't trust to change the toilet paper in my bathroom.
 

tweakmm

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Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Originally posted by: jumpr
Originally posted by: PsychoticIdiot
whats the big deal? who cares if they call the draft? are you all that big of puss!es that you wouldnt even go fight for your country? im not going to go sign up for the army, but if i were drafted id go proudly dam it. war is some scary sh!t, but thats no reason to run away from it, dam...
Hell, I sure hope I've got a guy like you to walk behind in Iraq when we're fighting in a war that was supposed to yield WMDs but hasn't and where soldiers face IEDs around every corner.

If there's a draft, I'll go. But drafting soldiers for a war that's unpopular won't yield the best army. I predict that a draft, if incurred, will result in mass casualties for the U.S. and will greatly lower morale in the military.



In all major wars that the U.S. has fought in, popular or not, the citizen soldier (draftees) have always been the most courageous and dedicated. You, on the other hand, I wouldn't trust to change the toilet paper in my bathroom.
You mean the volunteers? I can't imagine that people forced to go would be more corageous and dedicated than people who volunteered.