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No offense, but it's silly the amount of focus you put on obsolete Windows versions and obsolete DDR3. I use my PCs for much longer than most people*, but I'm not going to run an EOL OS because it had a smaller base memory footprint.

If someone wants to buy small (i.e. 4GB) RAM sticks, there are plenty of used ones to be found.

* Currently I daily drive 2017 Kaby Lake, no hardware replacement plans. Linux makes it easy for geeks to use older systems comfortably. Unfortunately, Microsoft has different ideas on that.
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And this is why Microsoft is starting to lose terrain. Windows 11 is going to elitist and buggy that people are starting to see Steam OS and Mac OS as better alternatives. And Mac OS does not have that issue of availability for now. There are still Mac M1 around the market.

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Subscription will fail, ISP won't allow that.
 
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DZero said:
Subscription will fail, ISP won't allow that.
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Why won't the ISP allow it? There's Adobe Creative Suite, GeForce Now, plus all the online LLMs right now. There's nothing I can think of to stop ISPs from using data caps to get their share of the money if things move to the cloud.
 
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It's not good for markets to be manipulated in a down economy. We clearly have market manipulation which used to be illegal.
 
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dlerious said:
Why won't the ISP allow it? There's Adobe Creative Suite, GeForce Now, plus all the online LLMs right now. There's nothing I can think of to stop ISPs from using data caps to get their share of the money if things move to the cloud.
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They can tolerate a part of the services, not the full OS services the big companies wants.

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It's not good for markets to be manipulated in a down economy. We clearly have market manipulation which used to be illegal.
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Also, that thing leads something worse than a recesion, it goes directly into a crash and a depression.
 
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No offense, but it's silly the amount of focus you put on obsolete Windows versions and obsolete DDR3. I use my PCs for much longer than most people*, but I'm not going to run an EOL OS because it had a smaller base memory footprint.

If someone wants to buy small (i.e. 4GB) RAM sticks, there are plenty of used ones to be found.

* Currently I daily drive 2017 Kaby Lake, no hardware replacement plans. Linux makes it easy for geeks to use older systems comfortably. Unfortunately, Microsoft has different ideas on that.
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You surely noticed that i wasnt talking of myself but of relatives here and there,
but given the current RAM/SSD prices gouging i would certainly comfort them in keeping
their current hardware.

The lower the demand of RAM/SSD the faster prices will get to acceptable levels,
6 months ago a very basic 6C/12T 32GB PC did cost 330€ excluding the OS, currently
you have to add 42% just because of RAM/SSD, and if RAM demand doesnt collapse then we can expect all the other parts prices to increase as well.
 
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dlerious said:
Is it really that much compared to streaming video from Youtube, Netflix, etc.(3-6GB per hour for 1080p)?
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If it were just a fraction there won't be a problem, well, now multiply it for at least 5 times since is the target of the sellers.
 
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This is turning into a MASSIVE BULLFEST... heck, how in the hell, they managed to screw the clients so much?
 
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Abwx said:
You surely noticed that i wasnt talking of myself but of relatives here and there,
but given the current RAM/SSD prices gouging i would certainly comfort them in keeping
their current hardware.

The lower the demand of RAM/SSD the faster prices will get to acceptable levels,
6 months ago a very basic 6C/12T 32GB PC did cost 330€ excluding the OS, currently
you have to add 42% just because of RAM/SSD, and if RAM demand doesnt collapse then we can expect all the other parts prices to increase as well.
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And what's your point, really? If someone wants to run old hardware, be my guest. If someone wants to run Win10 with ESU for 10 more months, that's fine too. I don't recommend running an unpatched EOL OS, but nothing is preventing people from doing so if they want to ignore the risk.

If a "relative" is on an old platform and needs 4GB stick(s) of DDR3, that can be bought used for cheap. Higher capacities, or DDR4 will unfortunately cost more. (And obviously, forget about DDR5 for now.)

I get it, cumulative inflation since 2020 sucks. AI sucks because it distorts the market for previously commodity components. Nothing we can do about it except trudge along and wait.

Again, you're being silly if you believe consumers holding back on RAM/SSD upgrades will help correct these insane prices. The insane prices will indeed modify consumer behavior, but DIY builders are neither the problem nor the solution to the AI spending bubble. That bubble will have to burst on its own, and nobody knows when that will happen.
 
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Again, you're being silly if you believe consumers holding back on RAM/SSD upgrades will help correct these insane prices. The insane prices will indeed modify consumer behavior, but DIY builders are neither the problem nor the solution to the AI spending bubble. That bubble will have to burst on its own, and nobody knows when that will happen.
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Either that, or eventually the crazy prices on consumer memory will induce someone to expand DRAM production capacity, albeit at inflated prices. Right now no one wants to take the risk. If conditions persist for long enough, eventually someone's gonna bite.
 
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DrMrLordX said:
Either that, or eventually the crazy prices on consumer memory will induce someone to expand DRAM production capacity, albeit at inflated prices. Right now no one wants to take the risk. If conditions persist for long enough, eventually someone's gonna bite.
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China would enter and ease the pain for some markets but as for the USA, they are royally screwed because the army is taking a BIG part on that insane increase.
 
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I guess Maingear expects their customers to rescue them:


They readily admit they don't have enough memory to complete their builds unless their customers step up. The mini-PC makers are already doing this by selling "barebones" systems without memory.

Question is, if the as companies can't get it, what makes them think their customers can?

I suspect that a significant number of those system builders will be bankrupt and gone in a year.
 
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fastandfurious6 said:
some news article going around:

10+ Samsung employees arrested for leaking 10nm DRAM tech to China

is this real? mass market flood with CMTX DDR5 soon?
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Not so easy...
1. China would secure their own supply (takes 6 months)
2. Once secured next will flood the friendly countries from them. (takes another 6 months)
3. Once it was secure THAT would be the time to get the whole market flooded. (after a year)
 
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DZero said:
This is turning into a MASSIVE BULLFEST... heck, how in the hell, they managed to screw the clients so much?
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At least they accepted and sent out a replacement.

Gigabyte on the other hand likes to say oh we never got the RMA... RMA CLOSED. even tho UPS has proof of delivery.
 
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DZero said:
China would enter and ease the pain for some markets but as for the USA, they are royally screwed because the army is taking a BIG part on that insane increase.
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There's an open question as to whether they can flood the market, at least with anything you'd actually want. See post from @fastandfurious6 indicating that domestic Chinese manufacturers don't have the process tech for that and are having to . . . reappropriate it from others.
 
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So. I'm installing my new ram cooling. Running OCCT cpu + ram test. Errors on core 6. Running expo. I grabbed a stick from another system. Updated the bios and seems to be ok.

Ironically I bought a newegg cpu 32gb mb combo for $400 today just to get some extra ram FOMO.

Back to testing

Edit: seems this ASUS X870 AYW GAMING WIFI W AMD X870 sucks at memory. It runs fine at 5600. Another memory kit had the same issues. I'm going with this motherboard is lame.
 
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ASUS entering the DRAM market next year according to this rumor:

wccftech.com

ASUS Rumored To Enter DRAM Market Next Year To Tackle Memory Shortages

ASUS is rumored to enter the DRAM manufacturing segment by 2026, which should ensure a stable memory supply for its PC lineups.
wccftech.com wccftech.com

”ASUS plans to set up dedicated DRAM production lines by the end of Q2 2026 if memory prices and supply don't return to normal”

Could this be real? Does ASUS have DRAM production capabilities, or do they perhaps intend to buy it from somewhere? 🤔
 
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