Is the Colbert show really failing?

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desura

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Not surprised. I wasn't a fan of the Colbert show on comedy central either, though. They had this self-satisfied thing where it was all an act of him parodying Bill O'Reilly, but the parody wasn't really that great IMO. Jon Stewart was the best. After him, Larry Wilmore and John Oliver I am liking. There is just too much of this stuff now of smug smarmy political advocacy lightly disguised as comedy.

There are how many Daily Show spin offs now? Like, 4-5?
 

BarkingGhostar

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This isn't an in-process situation. It failed from the start. CBS tried to reinvent what the Comedy Channel did with a filtered experience. I loved Letterman and Ferguson but what they replaced them with is BS.

And the alcoholic known as Jimmy Fallon is a troubled mess leaving Jimmy Kimmel and Conan.
 

zinfamous

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And the alcoholic known as Jimmy Fallon is a troubled mess leaving Jimmy Kimmel and Conan.

I'm kinda neutral on Fallon, but what's the problem with being an alcoholic mess for a late night host? Those are the classic/best ones: Carson, Martin, Parr. Those guys were hilarious disasters.
 

desura

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I bet that someone will come out with a tell-all book in a few years detailing all of the personal drama and egos going on behind the set there.

How else can you explain Trevor Noah, someone who was a complete rookie, passing over so many more experienced people? The personal drama and politics must have been vicious.
 

Charmonium

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Not surprised. I wasn't a fan of the Colbert show on comedy central either, though. They had this self-satisfied thing where it was all an act of him parodying Bill O'Reilly, but the parody wasn't really that great IMO. Jon Stewart was the best. After him, Larry Wilmore and John Oliver I am liking. There is just too much of this stuff now of smug smarmy political advocacy lightly disguised as comedy.

There are how many Daily Show spin offs now? Like, 4-5?
How can you tolerate Wilmore if you're not into the politically correct, thinly disguised partisan preaching? With him, it's not even thinly disguised. It's just straight up preaching to the choir.
 

desura

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How can you tolerate Wilmore if you're not into the politically correct, thinly disguised partisan preaching? With him, it's not even thinly disguised. It's just straight up preaching to the choir.

I'm a news junkie, and I find Wilmore personable and funny.

I really don't watch it that much. Maybe a 5 minute clip every other week.
 

reallyscrued

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It's not the material that's stale - I don't care who he's making fun of or who's hot in the news today - his timing is off.

The material is there and so is his character (clean as it is). He used to carry a cadence to his delivery and pattern to his speech on Colbert Report that made it funny. Comedy is mostly timing and now it's lost on his show.

I think he got notes to slow down his speech so older/slower/non-english speaking people can keep up with him and appeal to a wider audience; his edge was that his punchlines came in *quick* before you could relax and he got get you in a 1-2-I-did-not-see-that-punchline-coming-omg-that-was-a-ridiculous-thing-to-say.

Now, he's so slow, you can see every joke a mile away.
 

desura

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If you ever watched the old Carson shows, they are chock full of middle America. Like they would have on old ladies, winners of state fairs, animal handlers, just the most average people in the country.

Pretty much all of the late shows have veered far far away from that.
 

TheGardener

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That's so odd. I've only ever known Jeopardy to be on ABC, and this in 4 metro areas in 4 different states



Or, you know, since it's on ABC for the majority of networks across the country, this is what people understand. But I guess we'll take your advice: next time one deigns to challenge another's experience with unique and cryptic syndicated network entertainment, you can be sure that ATer will consult the vast internet databases before making the appropriate 2-10 word response. :D
Well I only know the local market for WBZ which is part of the CBS network. I didn't know that Jeopardy was shown on ABC in many US markets. I guess CBS is more interested in making a buck, than market purity. But it is nice being right, even if I lucked out. ;)

Someday the technology will exist to tell us that we are wrong, before our posts are accepted. Of course you won't have the ability to override the superior truth overlords. Can't tell you who they will be. Probably some entity that will disagree with me 90% of the time. :D
 

desura

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It's not the material that's stale - I don't care who he's making fun of or who's hot in the news today - his timing is off.

The material is there and so is his character (clean as it is). He used to carry a cadence to his delivery and pattern to his speech on Colbert Report that made it funny. Comedy is mostly timing and now it's lost on his show.

I think he got notes to slow down his speech so older/slower/non-english speaking people can keep up with him and appeal to a wider audience; his edge was that his punchlines came in *quick* before you could relax and he got get you in a 1-2-I-did-not-see-that-punchline-coming-omg-that-was-a-ridiculous-thing-to-say.

Now, he's so slow, you can see every joke a mile away.

i remember the painful Conan and Leno thing back in 2008. Leno draws because of his Everyman persona, which is corny and boring for people whose lives are in entertainment, but is all hat people with regular jobs want at the end of the evening before they go to bed.

Colbert IMO hasn't fully shed his "edginess" from the Colbert report, and really feels....like the exact same character from the Colbert Report.
 

Craig234

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I bet that someone will come out with a tell-all book in a few years detailing all of the personal drama and egos going on behind the set there.

How else can you explain Trevor Noah, someone who was a complete rookie, passing over so many more experienced people? The personal drama and politics must have been vicious.

The show did a funny bit on the staff resentment about it.
 

Craig234

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Not surprised. I wasn't a fan of the Colbert show on comedy central either, though. They had this self-satisfied thing where it was all an act of him parodying Bill O'Reilly, but the parody wasn't really that great IMO. Jon Stewart was the best. After him, Larry Wilmore and John Oliver I am liking. There is just too much of this stuff now of smug smarmy political advocacy lightly disguised as comedy.

There are how many Daily Show spin offs now? Like, 4-5?

It wasn't as much a direct parody as a parody of the mentality of the show, and he nailed that well.

You find the politics obnoxious.

Those of us who find massive plutocracy and corruption obnoxious - like Stephen Colbert - find the political message refreshing and important.
 

desura

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It wasn't as much a direct parody as a parody of the mentality of the show, and he nailed that well.

You find the politics obnoxious.

Those of us who find massive plutocracy and corruption obnoxious - like Stephen Colbert - find the political message refreshing and important.

Hardly. I find John Oliver probably the best of the spinoffs due to the sheer amount of research that his crew does.

I tuned out FoxNews long ago.

Btw, RE Bee, yeah her show is basically all rants and attitude with little interesting research. Hers is the most preaching to the choir.

For Colbert to succeed he needs to break out of the far left ideological bubble and get some middle-Americans on the show. And he needs to talk to them with respect and not a thin veneer of condescension.
 

Imp

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You find the politics obnoxious.

Those of us who find massive plutocracy and corruption obnoxious - like Stephen Colbert - find the political message refreshing and important.

This past week has been pretty bad. He's essentially been shilling for the anti-Brexit/Pro-EU movement that. Very complicated subject, he managed to dumb it down -- like most other people -- to the Remain-side's propaganda or talking points.
 

desura

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After watching some of them, I get the impression that colbert doesn't really do nuance or is able to play or improvise so well.

He also has a huge Bernie Bro like following.

Literally if you check YouTube for Colbert Late Show videos, 19/20 are political in some way.
 
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Imp

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Not sure how much you should rely on tabloid rumors... but tabloid rumors now that they're thinking of pulling a switcheroo: James Corden moves up an hour, Colbert back an hour. Wouldn't be surprised if true.

I look forward to Corden more than Colbert now. Not a fan of Colbert's choice of musical guests, most of his skits/bits are flat. Corden's are gross/stupid but funny and entertaining -- he also has a good cohost in Reggie Watts. Jon Batiste really doesn't contribute that much.
 
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Like mentions of SNL, I'm baffled that people still actively watch talk shows. When you can easily get any of the worthwhile parts condensed down, basically the same night the show airs, I just cannot fathom it.

Usually when I ask why people watch them (or asking one of my sisters that watched the Kardashians), I get "I need something I turn my brain off to" and then people wonder why the politicians can outright ridicule and fuck us over? They're not even trying to hide it any more either, and instead we get people trying to blame talk show hosts and actors for "politicizing" things when you literally cannot escape it (so it would be far far more weird for them to do that, these shows have been topical for literally decades, but its like people want them to ignore most topics whilst showing how full of shit they are by clicking away on all the fake news and political shit-sites). Even dumber is how with almost 100% absolution, the people that watch talk shows bitch about how we obsess over celebrities too much.

i remember the painful Conan and Leno thing back in 2008. Leno draws because of his Everyman persona, which is corny and boring for people whose lives are in entertainment, but is all hat people with regular jobs want at the end of the evening before they go to bed.

Colbert IMO hasn't fully shed his "edginess" from the Colbert report, and really feels....like the exact same character from the Colbert Report.

If I remember right, Colbert was going for that initially but was bombing in the ratings so they decided to start bringing back the edge from Colbert Report some and people responded to it and so it has taken focus since then.

This past week has been pretty bad. He's essentially been shilling for the anti-Brexit/Pro-EU movement that. Very complicated subject, he managed to dumb it down -- like most other people -- to the Remain-side's propaganda or talking points.

That's what comedians do, they simplify things down to make them into quick punchlines. If you don't like them dumbing down a side (which, that's been typical of politics forever too...), did you take issue with the pro-Brexit groups doing that just so they could get some votes (to prop up a lot of the nonsense they were spouting) even though most of them assumed it had no chance of actually going through, and openly admitting as much afterwards and that they were just doing it for political gain? Are you somehow more ok with politicians doing it and then admitting they didn't actually even want it they were just doing it to rile people up?

After watching some of them, I get the impression that colbert doesn't really do nuance or is able to play or improvise so well.

He also has a huge Bernie Bro like following.

Literally if you check YouTube for Colbert Late Show videos, 19/20 are political in some way.

He seems to be pretty typical in that regard compared to most other talk show hosts. They're all quite dependent on their writers for the material (but likewise the writers are dependent on them to deliver it well). Take most comedians and if you fuck up their setup they'll usually at best fall flat and often lose their shit completely. Daily Show and Colbert Report were more dependent on them though, so not shocking that Colbert will need time to adjust.

That's because that is Colbert's niche and that's what people want from him.
 

Whaeveva

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Yes it is. Here's why: People in general are not stupid.
Colbert takes them to be. That's not going to go well for him.
 
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Not sure how much you should rely on tabloid rumors... but tabloid rumors now that they're thinking of pulling a switcheroo: James Corden moves up an hour, Colbert back an hour. Wouldn't be surprised if true.

I look forward to Corden more than Colbert now. Not a fan of Colbert's choice of musical guests, most of his skits/bits are flat. Corden's are gross/stupid but funny and entertaining -- he also has a good cohost in Reggie Watts. Jon Batiste really doesn't contribute that much.

Colbert's band is absolutely disgusting. I have never heard shittier music in my life. Everytime that dumbass laughs on the set with his mic inbetween every shitty joke makes me cringe too.


Riiight

Feel free to do your own research.
Owait,here's a citation. :)

Also your citation sucks. People in this country are retarded to boot. No citation required - just take a look outside at whom is reproducing and whom isn't.