Is the California Recall Unconstitutional/Fair?

[sactoking]

A. I want to remove Babba Lewey.
B. I want to vote for Babba Lewey.

Makes no sense.

If Question A is 'No', any selection under Question B should be invalid.
If Question A is left blank, any selection under Question B should be invalid.


Flow Chart version:

Question A >> Yes >> Question B.
Question A >> No >> End.
Question A >> Blank >> End.

That's not how it works, conceptually. Question B is contingent upon the results of Question A. If A triggers B then B is a separate issue. To say you can only vote on B of you voted a certain way on A is clearly unconstitutional.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

No on A makes B moot.


No on A is a vote FOR the incumbent.

Selecting the incumbent's name from the list under B would then be two votes for the same person.

 

[sactoking]

Under that logic Trump can't run in 2024. He lost an election and if you voted for him in 2020 and 2024 that would be two votes for the same person. Oh, they're different elections? Allow myself to quote... myself.

Once the vote to remove succeeds it becomes an open election.

 

[K1052]

GOP frontrunner should probably be in a rubber room and not on the ballot. But this is prime GOP base material.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1428432884457631744

 

[manly]

GOP frontrunner should probably be in a rubber room and not on the ballot. But this is prime GOP base material.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1428432884457631744

Being such a staunch 2nd Amendment champion, he'll just get a few more votes now.

 

[Muse]

GOP frontrunner should probably be in a rubber room and not on the ballot. But this is prime GOP base material.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1428432884457631744

Newsom should put that in an ad. He's been having a ton of ads on TV lately.

 

[woolfe9998]

Elder a misogynistic pig.

In other news, democrats are too lazy to go out and vote.

 

[BoomerD]

Having lived through the Gray Davis recall...and subsequent Ah-Nold Schwartzenactor years...if California Democrats don't get off their asses and vote to stop the recall to keep Newsome, they deserve what happens to them.

 

[Muse]

Being such a staunch 2nd Amendment champion, he'll just get a few more votes now.

There are hicks in California, you bet. There are areas I would NOT want to live.

 

[Muse]

Having lived through the Gray Davis recall...and subsequent Ah-Nold Schwartzenactor years...if California Democrats don't get off their asses and vote to stop the recall to keep Newsome, they deserve what happens to them.

I didn't get what the rap was on Gray Davis. I had no idea why people voted against him. I figured Arnold's appeal was his mega-star Hollywood status, people can't seem to resist that shit. I think Arnold was a lot better than Ronnie, but I never considered voting for him.

BTW, nobody deserves Larry Elder short of a mortician.

 

[fskimospy]

I didn't get what the rap was on Gray Davis. I had no idea why people voted against him. I figured Arnold's appeal was his mega-star Hollywood status, people can't seem to resist that shit. I think Arnold was a lot better than Ronnie, but I never considered voting for him.

He was blamed for a statewide energy crisis that was actually criminally engineered by Enron.

 

[Muse]

He was blamed for a statewide energy crisis that was actually criminally engineered by Enron.

Yup. I think that became clear AFTER he was recalled. Sucked. Seemed to me he was more than a reasonably competent governor of California. I never doubted that.

 

[fskimospy]

Yup. I think that became clear AFTER he was recalled. Sucked. Seemed to me he was more than a reasonably competent governor of California. I never doubted that.

Yeah, he was fine. I actually didn’t mind Arnold as a governor, I thought he was fine too.

I am categorically against all recalls though as one of the primary purposes of having a term be several years is so politicians can make decisions that they feel are correct but may be unpopular in the short term.

 

[Muse]

Yeah, he was fine. I actually didn’t mind Arnold as a governor, I thought he was fine too.

I am categorically against all recalls though as one of the primary purposes of having a term be several years is so politicians can make decisions that they feel are correct but may be unpopular in the short term.

Agreed. Recall is the only way the Republican Party can get one of their one governor in California. Hire thousands of people to go to strip malls, super markets, etc. to get signatures, money in the pocket per signature. Lots of people can't resist that kind of thing.

 

[hal2kilo]

Elder a misogynistic pig.

In other news, democrats are too lazy to go out and vote.

That's the whole point of why it's done the way it is.

 

[hal2kilo]

Yeah, he was fine. I actually didn’t mind Arnold as a governor, I thought he was fine too.

I am categorically against all recalls though as one of the primary purposes of having a term be several years is so politicians can make decisions that they feel are correct but may be unpopular in the short term.

Fortunately, Ahhnold wasn't your typical conservative uber partisan nutcase. It could have been worse, like this time. Pretty much a technocrat.

 

[manly]

Fortunately, Ahhnold wasn't your typical conservative uber partisan nutcase. It could have been worse, like this time. Pretty much a technocrat.

Arnold is a RINO, and was more than acceptable on many social issues. There are some issues where his administration was smart about, such as pandemic planning and the goal of solving the Delta water problem. As an executive, he was terrible though. The budget was never truly balanced, with the massive structural deficit being plugged annually through accounting tricks. Jerry Brown inherited a house of cards when he took over.

 

[BoomerD]

He was blamed for a statewide energy crisis that was actually criminally engineered by Enron.

Enron amd Duke Energy certainly cashed in on and manipulated the deregulation debacle, but the way I remember it, it was engineered by former governor Pete Wilson and his pals at San Diego Gas and Electric along with PG&E and some of the other "for profit" electric utilities. (I was working for a public electric utility at the time)
They used the big hook of "pass this deregulation law and you'll be able to buy your electricity from what ever source you want and only payyour local provider a small "wheeling" charge to deliver it to you.
However, when they saw customers abandoning them enmasse for cheaper power, they got the brakes put on that provision of the law.
The big "for profit" power companies/generators bent California ove and ass-raped them.
Gray Davis took the hit for something that Pete Wilson foisted off on the public.

 

[woolfe9998]

Elder on his radio show in 2011 says a woman accused him of sexual harassment back in the 80's, but of course he could never have done it because she was too ugly.

Larry Elder disclosed sexual harassment allegations on 2011 radio show, but implied one woman was too ugly for it to be true

Larry Elder, a radio talk show host and the top Republican candidate in California's recall election, disclosed in 2011 episodes of his radio show that he had twice been accused of sexual harassment and forcefully denied the allegations.

www.cnn.com

This man will be our governor if dems do not vote.

 

[A///]

He'll probably die of COVID. And no one will give a damn.

 

[Jhhnn]

Elder a misogynistic pig.

In other news, democrats are too lazy to go out and vote.

Fortunately, the election is vote by mail, a very low effort way to tell the GQP to eat shit & die.

 

[woolfe9998]

Fortunately, the election is vote by mail, a very low effort way to tell the GQP to eat shit & die.

According to polls, at this point it does look like the recall will probably go down. Emphasis on "probably." I don't think there can be any room for complacency here.

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Oddly, the right wing "Trafalger group" which predicted a Trump win last year shows the recall in the hole by 8 points. The best news is that Survey USA, the only pollster to show the recall having net support, issued a new poll which shows it trailing by 10.

 

[vi edit]

I haven't read this thread through, but does anyone know how much money this stupid process is costing the state of California and how much money is getting dumped into it?

 

[VRAMdemon]

I haven't read this thread through, but does anyone know how much money this stupid process is costing the state of California and how much money is getting dumped into it?

It's millions. And Newsom is up for reelection next year... so, if they don't like him they could have just voted him out and saved all that money. It's a grandstanding power grab by the Republicans banging their tiny fists wanting attention.

 

[vi edit]

Yeah, I'd just really like a number of what it costs to roll out machines, staff election sites, and all the machinations required for a vote. Fiscal responsibility my ass.