I'm an SEC fan and I'd personally have to give the nod to the Big 12 right now for being the top football conference. While the SEC is arguably the most balanced top-to-bottom, it was down just a bit last year and looks like it could possibly be so again this year. Having a bunch of programs under NCAA scrutiny doesn't help either.
In a few years, nobody will remember all the mud slinging and insults that were tossed around, nor under what conditions VT joined the conference.
As I said, there have been ethical breakdowns on all sides of this equation, but the main goal here is to make certain that VT remains in a viable conference for years to come.
I agree that an eleven team ACC does nothing - as does a ten team ACC adding only Miami. The ACC is desperate to do something at all costs, and this is the only way they could get it done. Apparently it's financials be damned, we're expanding whether it makes sense or not.
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Nitemare
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UNC and Duke are both ftards and will not expand at any cost(because their football teams are jokes). Bringing in 2 additional schools will bring in 2 additional votes in favor of picking up the magical 12th team that would produce a title game. Both Miami and Virginia Tech would be automatic locks for this vote as they would both have a fairly good chance of making it. As for UNC and Duke's chance? They would be better off suiting up their basketball players in football garb.
SP33Demon
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I've heard rumors from people close to Bobby Bowden (FSU) that he's NOT happy with the ACC. If the ACC doesn't get Miami, I'm hearing that FSU is taking GA Tech with them and they're going to the SEC... Also, if Miami and VT don't make it for whatever reason, the Big East will still probably go after schools like Louisville, Marquette, and Xavier for basketball.
I am an ACC fan I think expansion improves the ACC football at the expense of Basketball. I would rather they not expand.
But lets not try to make this about sports because its not about sports. Its about money. Nothing else. The ACC wants the
money from a bigger conference playing an ACC championship game. The tv contracts that come from that. And you know what,
the Big East doesn't want to lose that money.
St. Johns beat Georgetown won the NIT, but St. Johns is Big East too so the point that the Big East won the NCAA Mens and Womens Tourny
and the NIT.
Not talking about the Big East here, cause I do think of them as a highly underrated basketball conference, I will also point out that
one good year for a conference doesn't make it a powerhouse. Also a team winning a national title doesn't make its conference a
powerhouse. Ok so ACC didn't have the best 2002-2003, the Big 12 probably was the best. But that doesn't change the fact that the ACC
is usually the best conference in Basketball. Ya they aren't what they have been. And adding Miami and VT only weakens the ACC,
allowing other teams to challenge them as the best basketball conference. But in recent past the ACC has been dominate and that doesn't
evaporate in one year.
Is the ACC the conference - no. No conference is. There is more than 3 or 4 sports in the NCAA. So doing well in the big three doesn't
make you "The Conference"
But lets not try to make this about sports because its not about sports. Its about money. Nothing else. The ACC wants the
money from a bigger conference playing an ACC championship game. The tv contracts that come from that. And you know what,
the Big East doesn't want to lose that money.
St. Johns beat Georgetown won the NIT, but St. Johns is Big East too so the point that the Big East won the NCAA Mens and Womens Tourny
and the NIT.
Not talking about the Big East here, cause I do think of them as a highly underrated basketball conference, I will also point out that
one good year for a conference doesn't make it a powerhouse. Also a team winning a national title doesn't make its conference a
powerhouse. Ok so ACC didn't have the best 2002-2003, the Big 12 probably was the best. But that doesn't change the fact that the ACC
is usually the best conference in Basketball. Ya they aren't what they have been. And adding Miami and VT only weakens the ACC,
allowing other teams to challenge them as the best basketball conference. But in recent past the ACC has been dominate and that doesn't
evaporate in one year.
Is the ACC the conference - no. No conference is. There is more than 3 or 4 sports in the NCAA. So doing well in the big three doesn't
make you "The Conference"
As much as FSU might want to walk to the SEC (Or as much as VT would like to also) it's not a case of teams showing up on conference doorsteps and saying "Here we are!" The SEC has stated many times that it is perfectly happy the way it is, and not willing to expand. Granted this whole fiasco has shown that public statements don't mean anything, but in this case, I'd tend to believe them. If they were going to make an overture, I think they would have already.
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I have heard that FSU (Bowden mainly) has been threating to leave for a while. Trying to get the
ACC to pick up a team like Miami for the sake of FSU football program. But I am not sure about
him taking GA Tech, I mean, they have been in the ACC for over 30 years, not sure how quick they would bolt.
Especially just to follow Bowden.
Edit: spelling
ACC to pick up a team like Miami for the sake of FSU football program. But I am not sure about
him taking GA Tech, I mean, they have been in the ACC for over 30 years, not sure how quick they would bolt.
Especially just to follow Bowden.
Edit: spelling
Bowden and FSU would have been a great fit for the SEC 10 years ago, but I doubt he wants anything to do with the SEC now. Why give up on a conference where you're assured to be one of the perennial top dogs in football (even if they DO add Miami and VT) and throw yourself into the SEC where even the middle-tier teams have a very real chance of knocking your team off week in and week out. The ACC is certainly not a pushover in football (they actually own a winning record against the SEC over the past several years) but Bowden knows he stands a much better chance of ending his career on a high note in the ACC. Plus, Bowden's at the very least within a few years of retiring and I doubt they'd let someone with so little time left make a long-term decision that's not only going to affect football, but all other sports at the school as well.
Personally, I'd love to see both FSU and Georgia Tech in the SEC as I think both of their programs are a natural fit for the SEC, but it's not going to happen. The SEC is already big enough for the time being and while I've never seen South Carolina as a natural fit for the conference, I'd hate to boot any of the other programs to make room for anyone else.
SP33Demon
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The ACC allegedly promised FSU that it would expand soon after FSU joined... since that hasn't happened yet, Bowden is getting restless... Also heard that GA Tech feels the same way, so they wouldn't necessarily be following FSU but the two are tight from what I understand...
As I said, all ethics aside, the only concern here is making sure we're in a solid conference:
Virginia Tech Board Unanimous in Support of Move to ACC (WP)
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Virginia Tech Board Unanimous in Support of Move to ACC (WP)
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"But lets not try to make this about sports because its not about sports. Its about money. Nothing else."
Funny how far removed it is from anything to with education isn't it ?
Funny how far removed it is from anything to with education isn't it ?
Largest TV contract, no one else comes close. They just split a record $102 million among the 12 conference teams this year.
SP33Demon
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Like CPA said, VT are sellouts. Not only are they stupid, but they're cowards for backstabbing the Big East... Stupid in that they will probably be the whipping boy of the ACC in basketball and a good chance in football as well with Maryland/Nc State/Virginia's programs improving.
I won't be surprised at all if Virginia Tech jumps on this opportunity. It makes a lot more sense for them to be in the ACC than the Big East from a geographic standpoint, and that cuts the travel costs making it easier to support the non-profit sports. Miami may take a few days to think about it since they really wanted BC and 'Cuse in.
Are you kidding? Money and security are the only things driving EVERYONE involved in this process. Miami wants to go to the ACC to get more revenue. The conference wants to expand so they can have a championship game to get, you guessed it, more money. BC and Syracuse were simply going along with Miami because they thought they would get screwed if Miami left the conference and they stayed.
Now, the tables have turned, VT has been the one invited and they are getting reamed for following the same road? This move to the ACC should have happened long ago.
Our Men's Basketball team is on the bottom of the ladder, but a move to the ACC instantly puts you in a better recruiting spot and gives you the ability to build a team much more quickly then if you were to remain in the Big East.
And please, the whipping boys of football? We'll see just HOW good Maryland and NC State are once VT starts playing ACC conference games. As for UVA - the last four years haven't really been close. We'll keep it that way.
ACC Extends Formal Invitations For Membership To Miami, Virginia Tech
ACC: Both Schools Ready To Accept
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One minor correction: Georgia Tech has not been in the ACC for over 30 years. They joined in 1978.
Also: The ACC had the highest payout to its members of any conference, even the "mighty" SEC. Over 9 million per school. SEC paid 8.5 million.
Oh, and for a supposedly "weak" football conference, check the ACC's head-to-head record vs. the SEC over the last 10 years.
You'll be surprised.
Originally posted by: HokieESM
They can INVITE them all I want... all I'm saying is that VT (in particular, Frank Beamer, the head coach of football) is vehemently opposed to joining the ACC.
I had seen your link earlier today... I realize the ACC is inviting them. But Virginia Tech (note the source of the webpage) is not interested.
Not that I care.But still.
hey, at least the Hokie students know what's up!! what? they don't? shocker. random idiot posting crapola and getting snotty is 100% wrong. who woulda thought?
w000000000000000000t!!!
There's a huge buzz going on around here about VT getting into the ACC. Everyone on campus here is stoked about it.
There's a huge buzz going on around here about VT getting into the ACC. Everyone on campus here is stoked about it.
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