I?m sure there has been ppl that have ended it when circumstances have been so extreme that I don?t think any of us would have chosen to live.
Yeah good point, I half thought about the idea of cheating your way to heaven if what I said was true.
If there is a God, and he knows one is suffering through something so traumatic and unpleasant , might he have pity >?
I wish I could think of an example to bring up that we?d all know.
Yeah good point, I half thought about the idea of cheating your way to heaven if what I said was true.
If there is a God, and he knows one is suffering through something so traumatic and unpleasant , might he have pity >?
I wish I could think of an example to bring up that we?d all know.
alkemyst
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No there is not a good enough reason. Jesus' suffering was supposedly worse than any man had or will have suffered and he didn't choose suicide and he wasn't granted the ability to be 'taken' early.
In christianity no matter how much suffering you have to endure, leaving this world sin free and/or forgiven is your only chance at salvation.
God doesn't care for crybabies nor giving out consolation prizes like the bleeding hearts in the the world do.
cronos
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that's true, but if you really believe in God, isn't what God wants is always what happens? therefore if you choose to end your life and you succeeded. that's what God wants anyway.
(this is the kind of thinking that makes people atheist, btw. and please note that i'm one of the people who think that suicide is sinful no matter what)
thats right, even murdered are forgiven if he/she commits suicide.
who will then kill a murderer when he/she is already dead? you can curse and moan all you like but that is all you can do. i respect those who have done it because their life isn't getting any better or that going on living is a disgrace to the majority due to mistakes in life. it may look stupid but some have no choice in order to escape their reality and to relieve their burden on everyone else as well
btw, you cannot kill me i am invincible
I don't think the Koran condones suicide bombings and killing people. Islamic Fundamentalists are giving Muslims a bad image.
alkemyst
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Originally posted by: RobCur
thats right, even murdered are forgiven if he/she commits suicide.
who will then kill a murderer when he/she is already dead? you can curse and moan all you like but that is all you can do. i respect those who have done it because their life isn't getting any better or that going on living is a disgrace to the majority due to mistakes in life. it may look stupid but some have no choice in order to escape their reality and to relieve their burden on everyone else as well
btw, you cannot kill me i am invincible
Was this english....I have no idea wtf is being said here other than someone is invincible since suicide by masturbation has never worked
Seriously though what were you trying to say above.
well heres what i think, i belieave its a sin beacause god brought us here, and killing yourself is disrespect for his gift.
thats my $0.02
thats my $0.02
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Actually, "because god brought us here" is an arguable point.
It has been argued by Bible scholars and others that part of the reason for humanity's existence is for the purpose of exercising free will. Along with free will comes choice. We as humans choose whether or not to believe in God and to accept Jesus as a "savior" or whatever. We also choose whether or not to copulate with a member of the opposite sex for the purpose of having children.
The reproductive process is well documented, be it with regard to puppies, kittens, birds, or yes, even people. No mystical magic there..
So new people are brought into this world as the result of human choice, the exercise of free will. Not from God's arbitrary decision.
That said, suicide is also a choice.
Most people don't have the guts to commit suicide; they rather bust their ass till they drop dead to meet end's need. but the problem i see with living is that one must have a lot of patients to do so. for some, dieing is much harder then living especially when you body continue to function past 100 yrs of age. in short, life is like watching a movie that has a beginning and an end; can be a nightmare when life sucks really bad. one day I may end up being a bum myself and not realizing that this is reality:shocked:
Illegal, sinful or whatever, I think it's the most irresponsible and cowardly thing anyone can do.
What about those people on 9/11 who jumped out of the buildings (suicide)? It must be black and white since we are dealing with religious connotations for some people.
Bleh I think suicide is okay. It is your choice. It isn't cowardly (if you don't have dependants that is).
Bleh I think suicide is okay. It is your choice. It isn't cowardly (if you don't have dependants that is).
Not for the terminally ill suffering in pain. For them, it may be a quicker, less painful arrival at the near term inevitable.
It may be a preferred end for someone diagnosed with metasticized pancreatic cancer, where every day you live is nothing but pain. This is not a hypothetical case for people I've known people in this condition.
Yes but it doesn't matter. The people in heaven will get to release the people from hell if they decide to. With all the beeding hearts I'm sure it would happen.
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