is suicide sinful?

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Schadenfroh

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according to christian religion:

your body belongs to the lord (if you are saved) and harming something that belongs to the lord is a sin, you will commit a sin just before you die by not only murdering but also destruction of god's personal property. big no no
 

MalikChen

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Some religions believe that hurting oneself at all is sinful. For instance, the Pennacostial denomination says it is a sin to pierce their ears.

Now Turfzilla, if you quote some Old Testament scripture, and use it to decide if something is a Christian sing, it's kinda contradictory. You've missed the whole point of Jesus.
Ever eaten meat with milk? That's a sin too, with 612 other things. However, since it doesn't interfere with loving God and your neighbor, it's okay under Christian sin (my interpretation, at least)
Instead, Put it against the Jesus-test Does it break the commandment about loving the Lord thy God? Does it break the commandment about loving your neighbors as yourself? If so, then it is Christian sin. If not, it's not. Doesn't matter if it was sin in the old testament or not.

Christianity is a personal religion. It is not clear cut. It does not have a list of laws that is clear and easy to follow.

And then there is the whole Hell thing. It's amazing how many people, if read a description of Dante's Hell, will say it is real.
 

Kadarin

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Originally posted by: iloveme2
Who has that sig? Hurting others is sinful, hurting yourself it not. Just stupid.

That would be me! And.. it's hurting others unnecessarily (there's a difference).

I look at the subject of suicide this way: If we do not have the freedom to choose when, where, and how we choose to die, isn't ALL freedom just an illusion anyway?
 

Grakatt

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Not sinful, but whether stupid or not is a complex question.

1. You have the right to decide your own life, and thus fate if that is your wish. No one should have more power over you than you.
2. The burden you put on loved ones is most likely cataclysmic; they cannot answer, cannot do anything. Thus it is a highly egoistical act.
 

clarkey01

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If a person wants to end thier life, I dont think its a sin to avoid pain and further suffering, cowardly ? who's to say.
 

Rob9874

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I think people say you go to hell if you commit suicide as a deterrent. Hello is right, is is a very hurtful act. Sometimes this is the intent, but it hurts more people than you intended. I think if my wife's brother would have known how his suicide would affect his entire family, even 10 years later, he might have thought twice. I think his only thought at the time was to make his ex-girlfriend feel bad.
 

RobCur

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death defying acts of self guilt? we're all going to die one way or another but why rush it? take it slow and easy, and die only when your time comes such as a heart attack or natural causes. btw, patient is virtue
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Yes. If you're saved, then it won't matter because you've accepted the forgiveness that Christ extended from the cross that covers sins past, present, and future. If you're not saved, you're fvcked anyway, so what does it matter?
 

cronos

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Originally posted by: DingDingDao
Originally posted by: Turfzilla
This is a pretty dumb post. If your interested read it in the bible.

Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5
Numbers 11:12-15
Chronicles 10:3-7

Depends on who you talk to. I think that many of the suicide bombers in Israel or the Middle East believe that they will go to heaven for sacrificing their lives.

I'm not saying they're right, but everyone has their own opinion. Me, I just think it's freaking stupid, regardless of where you end up afterwards.

they're wrong. they're misleaded souls that were manipulated by terrorists to achieve their goals.
it is sinful. no matter what the reason is.
 

cronos

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Originally posted by: Sophia
For those that agree it is sinful, is it always sinful?

What about a soldier who throws himself on a grenade and saves the lives of a half dozen of his comrades?

What of those who are mentally ill? If depression is shown to have a physical, biochemical basis in the brain that is outside of one's control, are the suicidally depressed any more culpable than someone that dies of cancer, for example?

yes, it is always sinful. i don't consider what the soldier in your story did as suicide though.

people who are mentally ill are not capable of sins. similar to why they can get away with murder in the judicial system. because they don't know what they're doing.
 

gunblade

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Sinful? That depends on one's religion belief, which I don't comment.

Selfish is what I would describe.
 

EMPshockwave82

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i'm not real sure but from all my bibleschool classes and stuff i remember something about it being damnable


as in since you basically comitted murder (on yourself) with no time to repent your sin (murder IS a sin)

i'm not really religous but my xgf was VERY religious
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: Kalvin00
Yes. Not to mention cowardly..

Hmmm perhaps your version of suicide that you have in your head.

There are many suicides that were actually quite brave and allowed lives to be saved. Take a look in a history book sometime.

Regarding the original question....in Christianity it is and also prevents you from entering heaven as you can't ask forgiveness post-mortim.

However, being a Christian is not a requirement in the suicide arena.
 

clarkey01

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if one leads a good life, is kind and does all that (gods work) etc and feels he/she is suffering and ends it , where they go hell ?

I don?t believe in a specific religion but I believe in a higher power, that we can not see.

I just don?t think one should suffer eternal suffering from committing suicide, its like escape hell to go to hell?.
 

Cogman

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Yes it is a sin, Killing yourself is still killing. the ONLY time killing is acceptable is when yours or others lives are in danger, And even then it should be prevented if possible. Now, If god himself told me to kill, then I would do it, but even then I would need LOTS of verification that he is indead god.
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: clarkey01
if one leads a good life, is kind and does all that (gods work) etc and feels he/she is suffering and ends it , where they go hell ?

I don?t believe in a specific religion but I believe in a higher power, that we can not see.

I just don?t think one should suffer eternal suffering from committing suicide, its like escape hell to go to hell?.

The thing is in the Christian aspect of it you are denying God by killing yourself. Life is a test and your reward is salvation once you die...by killing yourself you are trying to shorten the process.

Technically if Heaven is what it's billed as you are better off killing yourself early to get there.

You need to think outside that box.
 

RobCur

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but isn't suicide the same as murdering yourself because you fear someone is going to kill you sooner or later? it is a cowardly act indeed, no respect from anyone. imo better to be murdered by someone, killed in war then to do harm to oneself. i seen a kid knocking his head against the ground because he is upset :\