Dude, it's 2009. 1080p, all that resolution, all that HD color is the way. If HD doesn't blow your mind something is really, really wrong.
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Image quality isn't *everything*, but it can give a movie that extra edge that it needs. The thing with Blu-Ray is that it isn't just resolution/sharpness, it's also color depth. The "cherry blossom" scenes in Last of the Samurai have a depth to them like I've not scene in another movie. The added color and sharpness make it truely beautiful.
zinfamous
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Yes, story is certainly the most important aspect to any film. But never forget that film is a visual medium. The color depth and resolution that BD offers simply means that the ave home viewer now has access to the closest representation of a director's vision currently available--assuming all else is equal (studios not skimping on the transfer; WalMart staying out of the Fullscreen trash bin, etc.)
Do me a favor, show me the post I created that gave you the impression that I cared about what some internet clowns thought of me. You see it yet? Hold on, I'll give you a little more time....
You done yet? Ok, so now that we have that straight, let's move on. The next question that begs to be answered is, why do YOU care so much of what I think about you? Notice I haven't gotten upset with anyone here. Why? Because their opinions don't matter to me....at all. Maybe that is why people are so upset. I don't sugar coat things and I don't blow sunny shine up their asses. I don't lower the bar for anyone. I expect them to stand up and grab the bar with their two hands. An A grade wouldn't make it that special if EVERYONE received one. That is one of the great about getting one. It is an accomplishment. You work hard, you EARN IT and for everyone else, well, if you didn't get a 90+ (an A is still in the 90s isn't it?), you get a lower grade. I don't give a shit what your excuse is. If you didn't get a 90, you get a B or lower. Case closed. I don't want to hear about some genius kid that works very little to get an A and you have to work harder to get one. Too bad. You work harder to get an A. You learn in life, once you step out of the classroom, life is very similar to school. Sometimes it takes people a little time to realize, life is just like the principles you learn in school, but with a little twist. A+, Blu-ray, nice car, nice house whatever. It's the same thing. When I received a B in class, I knew I didn't deserve an A. And if they gave it to me and I didn't earn it, it didn't mean as much. However, I never bitched about having the teacher lower the bar to accommodate me. If I got a B, I didn't deserve an A. If I wanted an A, I'd have to work smarter and harder to get one. It is as simple as that. And no, I didn't want someone that received a B to be given a curve so he can get an A that I busted my ass to get. Fuck you! You deserve a B, not an A. And I don't want to hear your excuses or whining. Same with Blu-ray players, a good quality player can be had normally for between $200-$500. You either pay it, wait for it to go on sale or wait until MSRPs come down. Those are your ONLY options. No need to try and come up with new business plans for OTHER companies to fit your WANTS. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. In the mean time, I'll be enjoying fewer crowds around me in the Blu-ray section and more new releases available.
Now let me sum up how most of this thread sounds like, "Oh my God, I can't have a Blu-ray player! Everyone should have a Blu-ray player in America. And how DARE you say I shouldn't have one! That is my God given right to have one. I can't believe you would want to deny me of my God given right. I have the BIG $80 to spend and that should be enough. The manufactures actually MAKING the players should have no say so in what they should charge for their own products. I know the EXACT amount of material, manufacturing costs, licensing, and R&D that goes into making each unit, and by my calculations, $80 is the right price. Notice I'm leaving out profit, because that is evil. Wal-mart shoppers hate companies that try to make a profit. Their main focus is cheap products. Now by cheap, I don't mean cheap quality. Oh no, Wal-mart shoppers don't want cheap quality. Don't try and give them a low quality Blu-ray player, they want "the good stuff." Can't settle for anything less you know. And if Sony won't take a loss to make me happy, they're price gouging me."
"Price gouging? You know there are other manufactures other than Sony producing great quality Blu-ray players, right? How can they be price gouging or keeping prices artificially high with the tough competition in the Blu-ray market?"
"????????? Ummmm, it is a conspiracy against us?!! And fuck you, you insensitive asshole! HOW DARE YOU TRY AND DENY ME A GOOD QUALITY BlU-RAY PLAYER?!! Companies need to revolve around MY budget! That's how it works for us Wal-mart shoppers! I won't settle for any other answer!"
Yeah, that's about right here.
And please point out where I say I was rich? I said I was definitely NOT rich. What? Because I can afford a $300 Blu-ray player? Are you being serious? No, seriously?
To be honest, I'm tired of the whiny bitches in ATOT. You don't see me post here much because quite frankly, you guys irritate me. It is like the pussies of the world all gather here to whiny about their newest problem in life. I guess not being able to afford "a good Blu-ray player" is the latest chapter in the lives of the whiny ATOT member.
Now please, continue on with your whining. Where were you? Oh yeah, I'm the asshole and Sony is out to get you. Go on...
0roo0roo
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dude...many old films were filmed in 70mm even.
even accounting for lower quality stock thats some insane resolution there to be had when restored correctly. you know whats the sad thing? more recent "DV" independent/cheapie films made a couple years ago are pretty screwed. 28 days later? always gonna look like sh*t, and film from decades ago will look better.
penny wise pound foolish eh?
screen cap from original series startrek
http://i271.photobucket.com/al.../screens/sttos0210.jpg
even old tv shows filmed on film can be restored. and in this case to a point that no one back then got to experience. http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/
one of the biggest advantages is to be able to see old classic films fully restored in better quality than most anyones gotten to experience them in decades. the releases are trickling out now because like in dvd, it took a few years before it became viable because those releases are more labor/resource intensive.
the pq isn't everything argument is a bit bunk. by that standard you'd be happy with vhs. its the story that matters after all!!! give me a break. film is a visual art medium and visuals do matter. seeing the full intent of the director does matter.
zinfamous
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based on your willingness to sit around for an hour or thereabouts and post that long-winded retort, I'd say that you do indeed care how some internet clowns think about you.
Or at the very least, you care about what those internet clowns think.
Not really. It's is just an explanation. Whether people like it or not, I really couldn't care less. But if you interpreted a long explanation as caring, knock yourself out. It could have been MUCH longer, but I really didn't want to put that much effort into it. That's all the clowns deserve.
It's funny, JackBurton. You say you don't care what these "plebeians" think of you yet you just spent what had to be upwards of an hour putting the words together an effort to prove it. You're pretty fucking sad.
Deeko
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Originally posted by: JackBurton
Do me a favor, show me the post I created that gave you the impression that I cared about what some internet clowns thought of me. You see it yet? Hold on, I'll give you a little more time....
You done yet? Ok, so now that we have that straight, let's move on. The next question that begs to be answered is, why do YOU care so much of what I think about you? Notice I haven't gotten upset with anyone here. Why? Because their opinions don't matter to me....at all. Maybe that is why people are so upset. I don't sugar coat things and I don't blow sunny shine up their asses. I don't lower the bar for anyone. I expect them to stand up and grab the bar with their two hands. An A grade wouldn't make it that special if EVERYONE received one. That is one of the great about getting one. It is an accomplishment. You work hard, you EARN IT and for everyone else, well, if you didn't get a 90+ (an A is still in the 90s isn't it?), you get a lower grade. I don't give a shit what your excuse is. If you didn't get a 90, you get a B or lower. Case closed. I don't want to hear about some genius kid that works very little to get an A and you have to work harder to get one. Too bad. You work harder to get an A. You learn in life, once you step out of the classroom, life is very similar to school. Sometimes it takes people a little time to realize, life is just like the principles you learn in school, but with a little twist. A+, Blu-ray, nice car, nice house whatever. It's the same thing. When I received a B in class, I knew I didn't deserve an A. And if they gave it to me and I didn't earn it, it didn't mean as much. However, I never bitched about having the teacher lower the bar to accommodate me. If I got a B, I didn't deserve an A. If I wanted an A, I'd have to work smarter and harder to get one. It is as simple as that. And no, I didn't want someone that received a B to be given a curve so he can get an A that I busted my ass to get. Fuck you! You deserve a B, not an A. And I don't want to hear your excuses or whining. Same with Blu-ray players, a good quality player can be had normally for between $200-$500. You either pay it, wait for it to go on sale or wait until MSRPs come down. Those are your ONLY options. No need to try and come up with new business plans for OTHER companies to fit your WANTS. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. In the mean time, I'll be enjoying fewer crowds around me in the Blu-ray section and more new releases available.
Now let me sum up how most of this thread sounds like, "Oh my God, I can't have a Blu-ray player! Everyone should have a Blu-ray player in America. And how DARE you say I shouldn't have one! That is my God given right to have one. I can't believe you would want to deny me of my God given right. I have the BIG $80 to spend and that should be enough. The manufactures actually MAKING the players should have no say so in what they should charge for their own products. I know the EXACT amount of material, manufacturing costs, licensing, and R&D that goes into making each unit, and by my calculations, $80 is the right price. Notice I'm leaving out profit, because that is evil. Wal-mart shoppers hate companies that try to make a profit. Their main focus is cheap products. Now by cheap, I don't mean cheap quality. Oh no, Wal-mart shoppers don't want cheap quality. Don't try and give them a low quality Blu-ray player, they want "the good stuff." Can't settle for anything less you know. And if Sony won't take a loss to make me happy, they're price gouging me."
"Price gouging? You know there are other manufactures other than Sony producing great quality Blu-ray players, right? How can they be price gouging or keeping prices artificially high with the tough competition in the Blu-ray market?"
"????????? Ummmm, it is a conspiracy against us?!! And fuck you, you insensitive asshole! HOW DARE YOU TRY AND DENY ME A GOOD QUALITY BlU-RAY PLAYER?!! Companies need to revolve around MY budget! That's how it works for us Wal-mart shoppers! I won't settle for any other answer!"
Yeah, that's about right here.
And please point out where I say I was rich? I said I was definitely NOT rich. What? Because I can afford a $300 Blu-ray player? Are you being serious? No, seriously?
To be honest, I'm tired of the whiny bitches in ATOT. You don't see me post here much because quite frankly, you guys irritate me. It is like the pussies of the world all gather here to whiny about their newest problem in life. I guess not being able to afford "a good Blu-ray player" is the latest chapter in the lives of the whiny ATOT member.
Now please, continue on with your whining. Where were you? Oh yeah, I'm the asshole and Sony is out to get you. Go on...
hahaha - YOU don't care, and yet you posted that book? Please kid. You asked me to find the post that gives that impression - this one right here. It didn't take me too long to find it, don't worry!
As for you attempting to funnel your attack on everyone else to me - that's not going to work. I understand economics and why luxury items are expensive. I have had a Blu Ray player for several years now, it plays nicely on my 50" 1080P SXRD, with the audio pumping through my Infinity IL40 speakers, powered by a trusty Onkyo receiver, filling my luxury downtown apartment. What were you saying about me whining that I can't afford nice things and I need to work harder? Oh....and I all of that stuff when I was in college and nearly broke. You seem to recognize this fact...yet you are still uppity about working hard and being able to afford nice things. Get your story straight, sport.
You must not have read my post, because very little of your rant actually applied. This is a capitalist society, of course there will always be nice things that most people can't afford. I don't care about that. What makes YOU a douchebag is the satisfaction you get over that. What makes YOU an idiot is that you think Blu Ray needs to stay expensive, or else you won't get a hard on when you look at it. Here's an inside tip for you - new technology always comes out, is a luxury item at first, and then gets cheaper. And then - something better comes out! So don't you worry. A Blu Ray player will be $99 soon enough, and you might have walk around with a limp twig for awhile, but something new and better will be around soon enough! You'll be ok!
Fingolfin269
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Do you really think Sony's intention was for Blu-Ray to only catch hold for a niche market? Really? I have a feeling your idea of success is nowhere near what Sony's idea of success was when they gambled on winning the battle via PS3 inclusion. They won on one front but got decimated on another. No, Blu-Ray is killing Sony right now if you look at ALL aspects of what it cost them.
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Sony's "goal" this year...and their goals are always retardedly unobtainable.....was to have 50% of the new releases this year be sold in BR format. Regardless of what they actually did hit, they definitely are not shooting for the niche market.
At this point Sony is still selling the PS3 for a loss, they are at least 5 billion in the hole so far and who knows how much they paid out for the Warner Brothers and Fox exclusives just before CES last year. So basically Sony won the HD battle but lost the HD and console wars. It does my heart good to see them losing thier ass every which way on this.
DT4K
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WTF?
Did you even read the thread?
I haven't seen anybody say that Sony is obligated to donate blu-ray players to people on welfare. Seriously, WTF are you even talking about?
The topic is whether Sony is making a mistake by continuing to sell blu-ray players at the current prices. It's a debate about business strategy, not moral obligations to provide things to the poor.
zinfamous
No Lifer
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Originally posted by: JackBurton
Not really. It's is just an explanation. Whether people like it or not, I really couldn't care less. But if you interpreted a long explanation as caring, knock yourself out. It could have been MUCH longer, but I really didn't want to put that much effort into it. That's all the clowns deserve.
right, then keep on wasting your precious time on the internet clowns.
0roo0roo
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ugh dude what the hell. first of all, the worst example possible. using clean cg low detail pictures is exactly what you do when you want to make even a sh*t tv look good on a show room floor. exactly what a dodgy sales man would do. second mpeg2 on dvd is not a series of high quality jpegs.
next time clean capture from a REAL dvd like this ...egads dude..
http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/0roo0roo/changling_dvd.jpg
http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/0.../changling_upscale.jpg
as you can see, it doesn't hold up, and a bicubic rescale is more work than a real time rescaler would put into it anyways.
bluray
http://www.thehdcrowd.com/screenshots/changeling_9.png
http://www.thehdcrowd.com/screenshots/changeling_11.png
http://www.thehdcrowd.com/screenshots/changeling_4.png
All anyone had to do was post some of the comparison picture threads over at avsforum:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1126453
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1123629
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1073677 <- Not a sleeping beauty fan but considering buying it cause it looks so gorgeous
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1045420
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1126453
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1123629
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1073677 <- Not a sleeping beauty fan but considering buying it cause it looks so gorgeous
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1045420
Alright boys, I'm back. Now let's get this show on the road.
First off, understand that me responding to your post doesn't mean I was addressing you solely. It was meant for quite a few people, and you should know who you are by now. But yes, you were included.
Secondly, people asked me to explain myself, and I did. And when I did, all you can say is, AH HA, you do care! So which is it going to be, me answer or you quit being a moron? Let me be specific when I say, "I don't care." I don't care what you think of me. In that, whatever answer I give you, it is not meant for you to like me more or less. It is just an explanation. You call that caring, I call it entertainment. Now I don't do this often, because as you can see, it has been a colossal waste of time for me. But hey, I have some free time.
Wow, I take all I said back, you're awesome! I hope some day I could have cool stuff like you. And a 50", you must be rich. I'm impressed. By the way, what is an Onkyo receiver? Is that good? And how does that connect to that um, SXRD? That's an HDTV right? Yeah, you're definitely rich. Only rich people have HDTVs. That SXRD TV is more than $300, right? Sorry about what I said, you're definitely awesome.
Yeah, and what did apply you chose to ignore. I gave you a reason, and you thought it wasn't good enough. Do you want me to give you more reasons? Recently I've seen an ugly trend in the HT market. Quality is being traded for lower prices. This is really nothing new, but it looks like it has been accelerated recently by the current economic state combined with people wanting more for nothing. There is only so much you can do as a manufacturer to lower costs. Lowering costs takes time, but Wal-mart Joe wants prices to drop IMMEDIATELY or they feel like they are being ripped off. All the top tier HDTV manufacturers are trying to compete with the likes of Vizio, Dynex, Insignia and other shit brands. Most people know those TVs are not as good as the top tier TVs, but they are good enough, and best of all CHEAP! So Sony, Samsung, Panasonic, Pioneer all have to find ways to reduce costs faster than they normally would. And how does a manufacturer normally cut cost when they have no place to cut cost? Quality. Quality takes a shit or they go out of business. Perfect example, Pioneer. They couldn't cut costs enough and refused to lower their quality standards and bam, they are out of business. Some people would say, too bad. That's how the market works. Well, I'd say your are right. But that's not my concern. Quality is my MAIN concern and now that option has been taken away from me due to the Wal-mart Joe mentality. And worst of all, I can't do anything about it. I just have to take it. The other HDTV leaders Sony and Panasonic are also in jeopardy of leaving the market. Quality takes another hit. Samsung is doing great, but no telling how 2009 or 2010 will treat them. They may be on the ropes too. So what will I be left with? Fucking Vizio and Dynex TVs. Shit quality junk. That might be great for Wal-mart Joe, but I have a little higher standards and I now have no options. So no, I don't want the bar to be lowered. Why? Because it effects me. Now I know companies can't dictate how the market works. If that is the trend, that is the way the market will go. All a company can do is make enough adjustments to go with the market and try to turn a profit. Unfortunately, quality is going to have to take a back seat for this to happen. It sucks and that is probably were most of my resentment lies with Wal-mart Joe. Wal-mart Joe to me equates to fucking me out of quality products. And yeah, that pisses me off. So if Wal-mart Joe wants to join the quality Blu-ray club, the price of admission now is ~$300. Don't have $300? Too bad. Not my problem. Again, now that the club is relatively small, I'll enjoy the perks.
Is that better for you? Do I need to write a novel the next time to give you a more detailed explanation?
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