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Is smoking that bad?

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Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: Wingznut
Originally posted by: Orsorum
How are cigarettes designed to kill you? They're like alcohol or any other drug which, taken in moderation, prove to have little to no health risk over the long term.
Prove it.

I don't have to prove a negative. Show me that a cigarette smoked once a week for twenty years causes cancer.

While your stipulation is ridiculous since it would require the formation of a deliberate longitudinal experiment with factors outside exprerimental control there is definitely data to support the conclusion

Are you being obstinate because you are a smoker and cannot or do not want to quit? You are certainly welcome to have your opinions of the legal and social concerns of smoking, but you would do well to choose your battles more carefully, as this is not one you will win

Seriously dude, you usually are much more rational than this.
 
Originally posted by: myusername

While your stipulation is ridiculous since it would require the formation of a deliberate longitudinal experiment with factors outside exprerimental control there is definitely data to support the conclusion

Are you being obstinate because you are a smoker and cannot or do not want to quit? You are certainly welcome to have your opinions of the legal and social concerns of smoking, but you would do well to choose your battles more carefully, as this is not one you will win

Seriously dude, you usually are much more rational than this.

I realize the impracticality of such a study, but the offer remains - I'd like to hear any sort of evidence that people who smoked for 20 years, once a week, had any ill effects due to the smoking.

Those who smoke a pack a day are fools for doing so, I've stated this before - it is simply inane to think that inhaling that much smoke (not just tobacco smoke) can be done over such a long term without ill effects. That's common sense.

I'm not a smoker; I smoked for two months once, three times a week, then chose to quit. I've never had any urge to continue, though I do find it an enjoyable activity. Nor am I a chemist, or a biologist - I am trained, at this point in a very loose sense, in economic logic and finance with a background in mathematics and some statistics, maybe someday accounting and law, and so I can't profess to have anything but a surface understanding of the links you've provided.

I'm rarely rational, I just give the impression of being so. But thanks for the compliment.

Cheers!
Nate
 
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: Wingznut
Originally posted by: Orsorum
How are cigarettes designed to kill you? They're like alcohol or any other drug which, taken in moderation, prove to have little to no health risk over the long term.
Prove it.

I don't have to prove a negative. Show me that a cigarette smoked once a week for twenty years causes cancer.

who smokes once a week? all of the smokers i know smoke 1 pack a day.

oh yeah, lemme add something. if you claim to be a regular smoker who only smokes once a week you are LYING. cigarettes are addictive. if they weren't you wouldn't have so many people trying to quit who can't. they know it's bad for them but they just can't stop. this does not translate to one cigarette a week.
 
Originally posted by: fisher
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: Wingznut
Originally posted by: Orsorum
How are cigarettes designed to kill you? They're like alcohol or any other drug which, taken in moderation, prove to have little to no health risk over the long term.
Prove it.

I don't have to prove a negative. Show me that a cigarette smoked once a week for twenty years causes cancer.

who smokes once a week? all of the smokers i know smoke 1 pack a day.

Well, no one I know is a Nobel Laureate, but I'm sure there are some out there somewhere.
 
Originally posted by: fisher
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: Wingznut
Originally posted by: Orsorum
How are cigarettes designed to kill you? They're like alcohol or any other drug which, taken in moderation, prove to have little to no health risk over the long term.
Prove it.

I don't have to prove a negative. Show me that a cigarette smoked once a week for twenty years causes cancer.

who smokes once a week? all of the smokers i know smoke 1 pack a day.

I smoked three times a week and was able to quit without a problem. I have several friends who smoke roughly once a week.
 
Originally posted by: Jzero
Originally posted by: fisher
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: Wingznut
Originally posted by: Orsorum
How are cigarettes designed to kill you? They're like alcohol or any other drug which, taken in moderation, prove to have little to no health risk over the long term.
Prove it.

I don't have to prove a negative. Show me that a cigarette smoked once a week for twenty years causes cancer.

who smokes once a week? all of the smokers i know smoke 1 pack a day.

Well, no one I know is a Nobel Laureate, but I'm sure there are some out there somewhere.

i really can't even reply to this. it's too far below my stupidity tolerance.
 
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: fisher
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: Wingznut
Originally posted by: Orsorum
How are cigarettes designed to kill you? They're like alcohol or any other drug which, taken in moderation, prove to have little to no health risk over the long term.
Prove it.

I don't have to prove a negative. Show me that a cigarette smoked once a week for twenty years causes cancer.

who smokes once a week? all of the smokers i know smoke 1 pack a day.

I smoked three times a week and was able to quit without a problem. I have several friends who smoke roughly once a week.

read my edit. thanks.
 
Originally posted by: fisher
Originally posted by: Jzero
Originally posted by: fisher
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: Wingznut
Originally posted by: Orsorum
How are cigarettes designed to kill you? They're like alcohol or any other drug which, taken in moderation, prove to have little to no health risk over the long term.
Prove it.

I don't have to prove a negative. Show me that a cigarette smoked once a week for twenty years causes cancer.

who smokes once a week? all of the smokers i know smoke 1 pack a day.

Well, no one I know is a Nobel Laureate, but I'm sure there are some out there somewhere.

i really can't even reply to this. it's too far below my stupidity tolerance.

Your tolerance of your own stupidity? Your statement is logically vacuous - just as you don't know anyone who smokes less than a pack a day does not mean that such people do not exist, so my not knowing any Nobel Laureates does not mean that such people do not exist.
 
Originally posted by: fisher
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: fisher
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: Wingznut
Originally posted by: Orsorum
How are cigarettes designed to kill you? They're like alcohol or any other drug which, taken in moderation, prove to have little to no health risk over the long term.
Prove it.

I don't have to prove a negative. Show me that a cigarette smoked once a week for twenty years causes cancer.

who smokes once a week? all of the smokers i know smoke 1 pack a day.

I smoked three times a week and was able to quit without a problem. I have several friends who smoke roughly once a week.

read my edit. thanks.

I did read your edit, and I'll call you an idiot because of it. Get over yourself.
 
Originally posted by: Orsorum
I'm not a smoker; I smoked for two months once, three times a week, then chose to quit. I've never had any urge to continue, though I do find it an enjoyable activity.

It's a matter of escalation. I quit smoking 4 weeks ago, from my pack and a half a day habit. It's roughly the 6th or 7th time I've quit since I started smoking Freshman year in College (10 years ago).

I smoked a couple cigarettes a week for a year until one day Sophomore year, after a stressful class, I suddenly and for the first time felt that I *needed* a cigarette. At that point I realized that this was not a good thing, so I simply quit.

I foolishly picked it back up that summer (because of course, it is now easy to rationalize "well I quit once with no problem, so I'll do it again"). Except for when I was drinking (which wasn't that frequently) I didn't hit pack-a-day levels for another couple years.

In the meantime, I quit or cut back a couple times, but not for any significant length of time.

Since pack-a-day levels I've quit a couple times.

I quit two years ago for about 5 months, but resumed again. It's funny, because the last couple times I've quit, it's been long enough that I've forgotten how to hold a cigarette, and the whole act feels incredibly unnatural.

There are probably elements of depression involved, as you don't suddenly pick it up again after 5 months for no reason. More that I reached a state of mind - depression, fatalism, nihlism, awareness of reality ... call it what you will - where I realized that I really just didn't give a rats ass about what my lungs would look like when I was 60 because I had no desire to reach that age. Actually, I still don't, but barring suicide (which is always an option), I'll be there some day, and if when I get there I somehow magically *want* to be there (hey they're doing wonders with psychoactive drugs these days), I'll appreciate not having to breathe through an oxygen tank.

Plus I'm planning on moving to NY, and cigarettes are like $7 a pack there, so now is a good time.

Anywho, the moral of the story is don't think that just because you didn't get addicted you wouldn't or you won't. You lit up the cigarette that first time - can you really be sure that no set of circumstances would cause you to light one up again?

I think that taxation and limiting public smoking is not a bad thing. As a smoker it pissed me off a couple times, but there's no question that it's effective (When I last visited NY, I felt like a leper - one of only a couple people I saw smoking in the streets). I do think that establishments should be required to provide a separate smoking area (if they choose) with air filtration/smoke evacuation to some standard. I don't, as a matter of ethics, believe that it should be completely banned from public, but I do have to admit that it has made the bar scene a much more pleasant experience (and I didn't mind going outside).

I could probably continue, but this is making me want to have a cigarette, so I'll shut up now 🙂

Edit: Though I will edit to point out that the whole point of this is not to align myself with fisher's take on the issue 😛
 
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: sniperruff
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: sniperruff
as a pharmacology student, i can tell you that the tobacco smoke contains various carcinogens that may cause cancer.

basically cancer is caused by the uncontrolled proliferation of mutated cells.

it is proven that smoking does increases the risk of getting lung cancer. that is pure statistics over all these years...

so it is up to you if you believe it. cigraettes are so expensive anyway

Prove it.

i googled "smoking and cancer"...

Show me the study.


i dunno... im too lazy to look for one but my guess would start somewhere
here

i mean it is quite impossible to show actual research data. im sure there are animal model studies and such, but i think there are some sort of census and whatnot that would show that tobacco smoking releases carcinogens, which have been identified as mutagenic compounds and are possible causes of cancer.

i mean just because there are no solid studies doesn't mean that it is false. aspirin has not been actually shown to be effective against angina (clotting of arteries leading to the decreased amount of oxygen to for the heart), but it is being actively prescribed by doctors over the country to somehow moderate the condition of angina.

phew all this are from my last 2 pharmacology midterms. anyone correct me if im wrong.

besides, smoking is proven to be addictive. anything addictive and costs $7 a pack and makes my clothes smell would surely drive me away... i don't know about you!
 
Yea, it's bad. My dad has been smoking since he was 14, and he coughs a lot now...I'm wondering if he's killed his lungs :disgust:
 
Not at all. Breathing in smoke (which has killed many people in fires) is PERFECTLY fine for your lungs.






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I'm pro smoking if a person independently decides to begin the habit.

It helps cleanse stupid people from the gene pool. As many will die before retirement due to smoking, it helps the taxpayers not having to pay for their retirement issues.
 
Anyone who want's proof go ahead and start smoking a pack or two a day like most heavy smokers. If AnandTech is still around in 30 years you can report back on your health then, or bump this post if the archived threads go back that far. Happy experimenting.
 
an 88 year old customer was in front of me yesterday. He told me he was diagnosed and treated for colon cancer over 14 years ago. Lately, he's been considering what he should do about his health.
His doctor said:
"Don't stop smoking, you don't need the stress at your age"

He laughed.

If smoking was going to kill him, it should have gotten him by now, ya think?
 
Smokin was cool, when I was a kid. Smokin is now elite, since you can't do it just any old place anymore.
 
Originally posted by: compuwiz1
anyone think marijuana is less hazardous than smoking?

Most of the hard core MJ smokers can still breath. 😀

Well, smoking MJ has more benefits than smoking cigarettes. On top of that, the mj smokers I know do not smoke it that often, and you dont need to smoke it much to get high anyway.
 
It has been shown is studies that Cannabis is a worce carcenogen than normal tobacco. However people usually smoke it less so it usually ist as bad as a normal smoker.

However Cannabis has been shown to contribute to mental health problems such as skitsophrenia (spelling?).

For evidence I surgest you read this editorial from the BMJ. BMJ
 
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