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whm1974 said:
I'm not a small government conservative either and I'm not even remotely authoritarian at all.
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Anyone who thinks all citizens should be forced to forfeit all decision making to the government is an authoritarian. What do you think an authoritarian is?
 
dank69 said:
Anyone who thinks all citizens should be forced to forfeit all decision making to the government is an authoritarian. What do you think an authoritarian is?
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People who can’t handle those who disagree with them and take out their pent up anger on strangers in a tech site political message board?
 
dank69 said:
Anyone who thinks all citizens should be forced to forfeit all decision making to the government is an authoritarian. What do you think an authoritarian is?
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Where I did I say that everyone should leave their decision making over to the government?
 
Heinlein's idea was that you would serve if you desired full citizenship. I think there could be a case to be made for certain responsibilities preceding certain rights, but it's a non -starter. Fodder for more argumentation, maybe.
 
ewdotson said:
It doesn't just do it for NYC. Levallois-Perret, Le Pré-Saint-Gervais, Vincennes, Saint-Mandé, Montrouge and Boulogne-Billancourt are all suburbs of Paris. They're not even especially outlying suburbs. Boulogne-Billancourt is the furthest out at 5.1 mi from the city center.
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Yes, agree. It's basically just counting a whole load of administrative subdivisions of major metropolitan areas, making it not very useful for this comparison.
 
crashtech said:
Heinlein's idea was that you would serve if you desired full citizenship. I think there could be a case to be made for certain responsibilities preceding certain rights, but it's a non -starter. Fodder for more argumentation, maybe.
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I personally think this is a good idea and Heinlein's idea, similar to Starbuck's was some sort of public service, not just the military.

I think one of the primary problems our society faces is that we've lost a sense of obligation to one another. It wouldn't be the worst thing to say that if you want to have a greater say in the direction of the nation you need to show that obligation to everyone in it.
 
whm1974 said:
Where I did I say that everyone should leave their decision making over to the government?
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What do you think happens when you join the US military? Are US soldiers allowed to decide which orders they will follow and which ones they will not follow?
 
dank69 said:
If you are trying for humor you should start by making sure your joke makes sense.
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You’re sarcasm meter is broken. To answer your other question of what happens when you join the military, speaking for myself, I got to see the world and help people less fortunate than myself.

You also need to expand your thinking. Government service does not necessitate military service. It simply means selfless service. Maybe that means working at a soup kitchen or building affordable housing or cleaning parks.
 
fskimospy said:
I personally think this is a good idea and Heinlein's idea, similar to Starbuck's was some sort of public service, not just the military.

I think one of the primary problems our society faces is that we've lost a sense of obligation to one another. It wouldn't be the worst thing to say that if you want to have a greater say in the direction of the nation you need to show that obligation to everyone in it.
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Fuck your feelings, Libtard! That's Soshulism! Let the benevolent Job Creators provide!
 
What is we had a way to measure the value people's lives create for society and pay them accordingly, while taxing how much people who benefit from that value make?

How much, for example, is a human life worth to business. If we knew that we could tax businesses and pay mothers who have children some proportion of that. We should be rewarding people who make life worth living and taxing the takers. Of course, who knows the value of life but the living and where are they to be found. I see only programmed machines caught in the Matrix.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
You’re sarcasm meter is broken. To answer your other question of what happens when you join the military, speaking for myself, I got to see the world and help people less fortunate than myself.

You also need to expand your thinking. Government service does not necessitate military service. It simply means selfless service. Maybe that means working at a soup kitchen or building affordable housing or cleaning parks.
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Why do you think I fixated specifically on the military part of your post? If I had a problem with the government service part, I would have mentioned that. I did not, because I don't necessarily have a problem with that part. However, if you advocate forced military service then you are an authoritarian. Full stop.
 
dank69 said:
Why do you think I fixated specifically on the military part of your post? If I had a problem with the government service part, I would have mentioned that. I did not, because I don't necessarily have a problem with that part. However, if you advocate forced military service then you are an authoritarian. Full stop.
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It’s not forced if you give people a choice between the two. Full stop is a very authoritarian thing to say.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
It’s not forced if you give people a choice between the two. Full stop is a very authoritarian thing to say.
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Yes because I have the full power of the government behind my posts. Stop being stupid. Giving people a choice isn't the same thing as just forcing military service, so like everything you have posted since I mentioned that forced military service is authoritarian, it has nothing to do with my point.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
It’s not forced if you give people a choice between the two. Full stop is a very authoritarian thing to say.
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It's all bullshit anyway because small gubmint conservatives won't fund it. They'd have to raise taxes. Can't have that. Keep your eyes offa my pile, asshole!
 
Jhhnn said:
It's all bullshit anyway because small gubmint conservatives won't fund it. They'd have to raise taxes. Can't have that. Keep your eyes offa my pile, asshole!
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And FUGM as well...🙄

Just realize that I had this attitude in my 20's at least in a small part toward folks poorer then me, especially those who were on welfare not withstanding that I was in the same boat and not that far removed from their situation.

Good grief, what an ASS I was then. I have more empathy towards others now after walking in their shoes.
 
whm1974 said:
And FUGM as well...🙄

Just realize that I had this attitude in my 20's at least in a small part toward folks poorer then me, especially those who were on welfare not withstanding that I was in the same boat and not that far removed from their situation.

Good grief, what an ASS I was then. I have more empathy towards others now after walking in their shoes.
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Welcome back into the human race. I was just as naïve and stupid at the same age.

I'm not suggesting that you "become a socialist". But I suggest you should read an essay by Jack London, entitled "How I became a Socialist". It describes the same progression of youthful, narcissistic thoughtlessness to a greater empathy for others. If you could read "Call of the Wild" or "the Sea Wolf" in your youth, you could certainly read this short essay.
 
fskimospy said:
I personally think this is a good idea and Heinlein's idea, similar to Starbuck's was some sort of public service, not just the military.

I think one of the primary problems our society faces is that we've lost a sense of obligation to one another. It wouldn't be the worst thing to say that if you want to have a greater say in the direction of the nation you need to show that obligation to everyone in it.
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Heinlein also promoted the idea of armed citizens, and wasn't a big fan of pure democracy. An interesting fellow by any measure.
 
Greenman said:
I never picked up on the fascist aspect, and I'm reasonably confident that I've read everything he ever published.
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Starship Troopers is widely viewed as the glorification of a fundamentally fascist society. Yes some people dispute this but at a minimum it certainly has fascist undertones.
 
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