Originally posted by: fredtam
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Compton
Originally posted by: DrNoobie
Originally posted by: Mill
Have any research to back that up?
It's basically physiology. Unless I can find away to post my med book, I can't prove it to you, but I'll break it down for you.
1. Both caffeine and alcohol are diruetics, multiplying the dehydration caused when drinking alcohol. Not to mention that sugar slows down the absorbtion of water, also contributing to dehydration. Excessive drinking of the combined can lead to death.
2. Combing a strong stimulant (caffiene) with a heavy depressant (alcohol) can easily cause cardiopulmonary or cardiovascular failures, as it confuses the CNS.
3. Strong stimulants, as well as alcohol, decrease the body's ability to regulate temperature.
You don't have to believe me, I won't lose sleep over it.
lol you have to post LINKS to satisfy some people
No, you just have to not talk about things that you know nothing about.
Red Bull in suspected link to deaths
Europe?s highest court has just upheld a French ban on the ?energy? drink Red Bull on health grounds.
Energy drinks and alcohol a possibly dangerous mix
Either read my posts or don't bother replying. I said studies that said there was a link. All those articles said was that someone drank redbull and died. Gee, out of one billion bottles three people died. Hardly a causation there. Secondly:
Because Pearson's study was so recent and no other research asserts that mixing energy drinks with alcohol is not dangerous, students are not taking precautions when it comes to ordering the combinations at bars.
"I don't think people are generally scared about a lack of research until something serious happens to someone," Schwenninger said. Brianne Furstein, a senior advertising major, agreed.
Like I said, I am interested in studies, particularly peer-reviewed ones and not meta crap either.
""Sixty cups of coffee will kill you," he said. "Four hundred milligrams - two strong cups of coffee - can give a person who's not sensitive to caffeine nervousness and increased heart rate. But 80 milligrams - a few Cokes - can make someone sensitive have heart palpitations."
Key idea here my friend is that they were already SENSITIVE. I believe I already said that someone's own predisposition was the MOST important part of it all.
Title: "Energy drinks and alcohol a possibly dangerous mix"
So three deaths from drinking it is causation. PUHHHHHLEEEEASEEEEEEEEE. You can link three deaths to anything. But let's keep spreading FUD about stuff like this because it is what Americans do best. Your article supported my position more than it detracted from it. Each person's sensitivity vary, but most CAFFEINE sensitive people KNOW their issue already. All it takes is a modicum of sense out there to understand that people with a heart condition don't need to fvck around with stimulants. Same as with hepatisits... if you have it you don't need to funnel alcohol and eat Tylenol by the bottle. There is TOTAL difference between responsibility and a modicum of sense and spreading FUD about every goddamn product out there. Nothing is inherently safe but MOST substances in mainstream food/drink production are safe for everyone. There are always sensitivities(peanuts anyone?) but those people should be well aware of their problem. Point being, unless you have a predisposition to a sensitivity or some type of arrymthic heart conditon or murmur then why the hell spread FUD? Assholes...
Of course, my talking about caffeine alone was oversimplified, as energy drinks contain more than just one stimulant. There has been little study into the combination of the two, but the attending at the hospital where I work, and some of the patients, would definately disagree with your statement that everyone who drinks knows about the dehydration issues caused by it.
Sure, caffeine by itself is hardly a strong stimulant, but when mixed with other stimulants such as taurine, guarine, and ginseng, it creates a strong stimulate. We're also not talking about "moderate amounts of alcohol," because anything to get a person drunk is not moderate. Of course I go on theory, I'm a student. When I start my internship I'll have more hands on, but until then I go off research done by others, and my limited experience. I'm not trying to impress you, I'm telling you how it is.
So, you're a doctor? You've made it into med school? No? Then why don't you shut the hell up. I study medicine, I work at a hospital every night. I've seen countless cases of anything you can think of. Your words are meaningless as you don't have the education nor experience to discuss this. You also have some serious anger problems, and I suggest some therapy.
yukichigai
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I personally suspect the caffiene isn't really the main cause of the problems, or more that it isn't what kicks them off. I've had some ill effects after using taurine and ginseng. Considering the kind of effects I experienced it wouldn't surprise me if someone else could be sensitive enough to die from related effects.
It's a rare occasion when I mix caffiene and alcohol, (Rum and Caffiene-free Coke for me) because frankly it's far too much of a contradiction. You drink alcohol to get drunk. You drink caffiene to wake up and get peppy. PICK ONE!!!!
Though Bawls and Rum is damn tasty. I wonder if they make a Guarana Liquor. It'd be a nice way to cut the caffiene out of the equation. (FYI: the primary flavor in Bawls is Guarana. Mmm... delicious Amazonian berry...)
It's a rare occasion when I mix caffiene and alcohol, (Rum and Caffiene-free Coke for me) because frankly it's far too much of a contradiction. You drink alcohol to get drunk. You drink caffiene to wake up and get peppy. PICK ONE!!!!
Though Bawls and Rum is damn tasty. I wonder if they make a Guarana Liquor. It'd be a nice way to cut the caffiene out of the equation. (FYI: the primary flavor in Bawls is Guarana. Mmm... delicious Amazonian berry...)
Of course, my talking about caffeine alone was oversimplified, as energy drinks contain more than just one stimulant. There has been little study into the combination of the two, but the attending at the hospital where I work, and some of the patients, would definately disagree with your statement that everyone who drinks knows about the dehydration issues caused by it.[/quote]
What is your freaking point man? If someone is stupid as fvck and drinks themself to death I doubt your disclaimer on AT is going to help a bit! You are spreading FUD for no reason.
You're quite wrong my friend. Little is known about the health effects of taurine, and there is MUCH debate about the safety and health effects of caffeine. It is hardly an open and shut case that you made it out to be. I call BS when I see it. Yet again you are wrong about moderate amounts of alcohol, because what might be moderate to me might be a full on drunk for another person. See, there is a thing called, weight, gender, and tolerance. Finally, there is research(that fedtam foolishly posted) that contradicts the idea that alcohol and caffeine are a dangerous contradiction. So you are dealing in pure theory(which your theory is flawed anyway), and ignoring actual debate about the subject in the scientific community. Keep spreading FUD. It keeps you in business you know.
I'm undergrad, but I don't need to be in my first year of med school to argue with some moron that is spreading FUD because he read it in a textbook. I have plenty of experience when it comes to the topic at hand, and I have done plenty of research when it comes to the pharmacological effects of the substances we are discussing. Like I said, if you want to argue then throw some facts at me. You haven't done it yet. You've said another doctor told you A, that you read B, and that is basically the gist of your argument, minus you telling me I don't have the capacity to debate you a subject that I know far more about that you. I don't give a flying fvcking if you work at McDonald's or you chair the damn Mayo Clinic. You make a FUD statement like that and you better post some FACTS and not secondhand stuff that you pulled out of your ass. Capiche? As for anger problems... you obviously don't know me.
What is your freaking point man? If someone is stupid as fvck and drinks themself to death I doubt your disclaimer on AT is going to help a bit! You are spreading FUD for no reason.
You're quite wrong my friend. Little is known about the health effects of taurine, and there is MUCH debate about the safety and health effects of caffeine. It is hardly an open and shut case that you made it out to be. I call BS when I see it. Yet again you are wrong about moderate amounts of alcohol, because what might be moderate to me might be a full on drunk for another person. See, there is a thing called, weight, gender, and tolerance. Finally, there is research(that fedtam foolishly posted) that contradicts the idea that alcohol and caffeine are a dangerous contradiction. So you are dealing in pure theory(which your theory is flawed anyway), and ignoring actual debate about the subject in the scientific community. Keep spreading FUD. It keeps you in business you know.
I'm undergrad, but I don't need to be in my first year of med school to argue with some moron that is spreading FUD because he read it in a textbook. I have plenty of experience when it comes to the topic at hand, and I have done plenty of research when it comes to the pharmacological effects of the substances we are discussing. Like I said, if you want to argue then throw some facts at me. You haven't done it yet. You've said another doctor told you A, that you read B, and that is basically the gist of your argument, minus you telling me I don't have the capacity to debate you a subject that I know far more about that you. I don't give a flying fvcking if you work at McDonald's or you chair the damn Mayo Clinic. You make a FUD statement like that and you better post some FACTS and not secondhand stuff that you pulled out of your ass. Capiche? As for anger problems... you obviously don't know me.
BTW, your statement was: And, mixed, is extremely harmful to your cardiac and respiratory systems.
Back that up. Back up that "mixing" red bull and vodka is extremely harmful to the cardiac and respiratory systems. That is pure FUD my friend that you are shoveling. You have zero scientific evidence to back that up. At best you have a handful of cases you could cherry pick to reach a pre-determined conclusion, but even then there is no causation there but simply a correlation. Well hell my father drank coffee the day he died. Must have been the coffee! You are going to make a great doctor I can already tell. If you make a heavy statement like that then expect criticism.
Back that up. Back up that "mixing" red bull and vodka is extremely harmful to the cardiac and respiratory systems. That is pure FUD my friend that you are shoveling. You have zero scientific evidence to back that up. At best you have a handful of cases you could cherry pick to reach a pre-determined conclusion, but even then there is no causation there but simply a correlation. Well hell my father drank coffee the day he died. Must have been the coffee! You are going to make a great doctor I can already tell. If you make a heavy statement like that then expect criticism.
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: fredtam
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Compton
Originally posted by: DrNoobie
Originally posted by: Mill
Have any research to back that up?
It's basically physiology. Unless I can find away to post my med book, I can't prove it to you, but I'll break it down for you.
1. Both caffeine and alcohol are diruetics, multiplying the dehydration caused when drinking alcohol. Not to mention that sugar slows down the absorbtion of water, also contributing to dehydration. Excessive drinking of the combined can lead to death.
2. Combing a strong stimulant (caffiene) with a heavy depressant (alcohol) can easily cause cardiopulmonary or cardiovascular failures, as it confuses the CNS.
3. Strong stimulants, as well as alcohol, decrease the body's ability to regulate temperature.
You don't have to believe me, I won't lose sleep over it.
lol you have to post LINKS to satisfy some people
No, you just have to not talk about things that you know nothing about.
Red Bull in suspected link to deaths
Europe?s highest court has just upheld a French ban on the ?energy? drink Red Bull on health grounds.
Energy drinks and alcohol a possibly dangerous mix
Either read my posts or don't bother replying. I said studies that said there was a link. All those articles said was that someone drank redbull and died. Gee, out of one billion bottles three people died. Hardly a causation there. Secondly:
Because Pearson's study was so recent and no other research asserts that mixing energy drinks with alcohol is not dangerous, students are not taking precautions when it comes to ordering the combinations at bars.
"I don't think people are generally scared about a lack of research until something serious happens to someone," Schwenninger said. Brianne Furstein, a senior advertising major, agreed.
Like I said, I am interested in studies, particularly peer-reviewed ones and not meta crap either.
""Sixty cups of coffee will kill you," he said. "Four hundred milligrams - two strong cups of coffee - can give a person who's not sensitive to caffeine nervousness and increased heart rate. But 80 milligrams - a few Cokes - can make someone sensitive have heart palpitations."
Key idea here my friend is that they were already SENSITIVE. I believe I already said that someone's own predisposition was the MOST important part of it all.
Title: "Energy drinks and alcohol a possibly dangerous mix"
So three deaths from drinking it is causation. PUHHHHHLEEEEASEEEEEEEEE. You can link three deaths to anything. But let's keep spreading FUD about stuff like this because it is what Americans do best. Your article supported my position more than it detracted from it. Each person's sensitivity vary, but most CAFFEINE sensitive people KNOW their issue already. All it takes is a modicum of sense out there to understand that people with a heart condition don't need to fvck around with stimulants. Same as with hepatisits... if you have it you don't need to funnel alcohol and eat Tylenol by the bottle. There is TOTAL difference between responsibility and a modicum of sense and spreading FUD about every goddamn product out there. Nothing is inherently safe but MOST substances in mainstream food/drink production are safe for everyone. There are always sensitivities(peanuts anyone?) but those people should be well aware of their problem. Point being, unless you have a predisposition to a sensitivity or some type of arrymthic heart conditon or murmur then why the hell spread FUD? Assholes...
<------ Drinks a six pack of Mountain Dew a day
<-------Could be be considered an alcoholic (bottle of vodka a week)
<-------Still having a good time after most people pass out
<------- Hospitalized with heart palpitations and a 160BPM at rest heart rate in Bessemer Alabama after drinking a few Irish Coffees and two other shots. Cause as determined by the Doctor- alcohol and caffeine mix.
He did not say that everyone would die Drinking Red Bull but that other conditions are likely when mixed with alcohol.
You keep saying that there's nothing wrong with the combination, and I'll treat the ones that come in because there was something wrong. I'm not going to argue, because in the end, it doesn't matter what you think. I don't know you, and I'm fairly sure I don't want to, but you definately have some issues. You keep reading your online material, I'm going to my graveyard shift.
Here is something to totally SHRED everything you said.
7 February 2004
European court backs ban on Red Bull over health concerns
By Maxine Frith, Social Affairs Correspondent
Health concerns over the Red Bull energy drink were fuelled yesterday after Europe's highest court upheld a French ban on the product.
The fizzy drink has been linked to several deaths and some experts have criticised its high levels of caffeine and other stimulants.
Red Bull is Britain's best-selling energy drink, with 213 million cans consumed last year. It has been dubbed the "clubbers' drink", and is often mixed with vodka. The popular adverts claiming that Red Bull "gives you wings", have led to the brand being described as "the Porsche of soft drinks".
It contains caffeine, vitamins, and sugar which, the company claims, kick-starts the body's metabolism and keeps people alert. But France has refused to authorise its sale, along with other vitamin-fortified foods such as Danone yoghurt and Kellogg's cereals.
The European Commission (EC) challenged France's ban after manufacturers complained it was inhibiting imports.
In a ruling yesterday, the European Court of Justice upheld the main part of the EC challenge, ordering France to lift the ban unless it could prove the health risks. But the court said that the French government did have a right to ban Red Bull. The judges said that a study by the French Scientific Committee on Human Nutrition found that Red Bull contained
excessive caffeine. The committee also raised concerns about the drink's other ingredients - taurine, an amino acid the company claims can "kick-start" the metabolism - and glucuronolactone, a carbohydrate.
Ross Cooney, 18, was a healthy basketball player, but died in 2000 just hours after drinking Red Bull.
The student from Limerick, Ireland, died after sharing four cans of the drink with friends before a basketball game.
At his inquest, the coroner called officials from the Austrian-based company to give evidence about their product. They said that no adverse effects had been proven in connection with the drink.
The inquest jury later ruled that the teenager had died as a result of Sudden Adult Death Syndrome, but called for an inquiry into high-caffeine energy drinks.
Red Bull is Britain's best-selling energy drink, with 213 million cans consumed last year. It has been dubbed the "clubbers' drink", and is often mixed with vodka. The popular adverts claiming that Red Bull "gives you wings", have led to the brand being described as "the Porsche of soft drinks".
The EC's Scientific Committee on Food conducted a study last year, and found that while caffeine levels in energy drinks were safe, more studies were needed to assess the dangers of taurine and glucuronolactone. While other toxicology experts had concluded that the caffeine levels in Red Bull are safe, France had a right to ban the drink on the advice of its
own experts, the court said.
One can of Red Bull contains 80mg of caffeine - equivalent to one cup of coffee. Three years ago, Ross Cooney, 18, from Ireland, died after he shared four cans of Red Bull and played in a basketball match. An inquest into his death ruled that he died from Sudden Adult Death Syndrome.
Lyndel Costain, a dietician, said: "The problem with caffeine is that the effects can vary, so it is difficult to say what is a safe level. High levels of caffeine can be dangerous for people with high blood pressure or anxiety disorders. Not much is known about taurine and glucuronolactone, but high levels of them [b[could[/b] affect the body."
Red Bull - which sells 1.6 billion cans worldwide - said yesterday that its product was safe.
A spokeswoman said: "Red Bull will continue to be sold in 100 countries worldwide." She added: "No authority in the world has ever discovered or proven an unhealthy effect in or from Red Bull." Only France and Denmark have banned the drink. Britain's Committee on Toxicity investigated Red Bull in 2001 and found that it was safe, but warned pregnant women against it because high caffeine intake has been linked to a risk of miscarriage.
7 February 2004
European court backs ban on Red Bull over health concerns
By Maxine Frith, Social Affairs Correspondent
Health concerns over the Red Bull energy drink were fuelled yesterday after Europe's highest court upheld a French ban on the product.
The fizzy drink has been linked to several deaths and some experts have criticised its high levels of caffeine and other stimulants.
Red Bull is Britain's best-selling energy drink, with 213 million cans consumed last year. It has been dubbed the "clubbers' drink", and is often mixed with vodka. The popular adverts claiming that Red Bull "gives you wings", have led to the brand being described as "the Porsche of soft drinks".
It contains caffeine, vitamins, and sugar which, the company claims, kick-starts the body's metabolism and keeps people alert. But France has refused to authorise its sale, along with other vitamin-fortified foods such as Danone yoghurt and Kellogg's cereals.
The European Commission (EC) challenged France's ban after manufacturers complained it was inhibiting imports.
In a ruling yesterday, the European Court of Justice upheld the main part of the EC challenge, ordering France to lift the ban unless it could prove the health risks. But the court said that the French government did have a right to ban Red Bull. The judges said that a study by the French Scientific Committee on Human Nutrition found that Red Bull contained
excessive caffeine. The committee also raised concerns about the drink's other ingredients - taurine, an amino acid the company claims can "kick-start" the metabolism - and glucuronolactone, a carbohydrate.
Ross Cooney, 18, was a healthy basketball player, but died in 2000 just hours after drinking Red Bull.
The student from Limerick, Ireland, died after sharing four cans of the drink with friends before a basketball game.
At his inquest, the coroner called officials from the Austrian-based company to give evidence about their product. They said that no adverse effects had been proven in connection with the drink.
The inquest jury later ruled that the teenager had died as a result of Sudden Adult Death Syndrome, but called for an inquiry into high-caffeine energy drinks.
Red Bull is Britain's best-selling energy drink, with 213 million cans consumed last year. It has been dubbed the "clubbers' drink", and is often mixed with vodka. The popular adverts claiming that Red Bull "gives you wings", have led to the brand being described as "the Porsche of soft drinks".
The EC's Scientific Committee on Food conducted a study last year, and found that while caffeine levels in energy drinks were safe, more studies were needed to assess the dangers of taurine and glucuronolactone. While other toxicology experts had concluded that the caffeine levels in Red Bull are safe, France had a right to ban the drink on the advice of its
own experts, the court said.
One can of Red Bull contains 80mg of caffeine - equivalent to one cup of coffee. Three years ago, Ross Cooney, 18, from Ireland, died after he shared four cans of Red Bull and played in a basketball match. An inquest into his death ruled that he died from Sudden Adult Death Syndrome.
Lyndel Costain, a dietician, said: "The problem with caffeine is that the effects can vary, so it is difficult to say what is a safe level. High levels of caffeine can be dangerous for people with high blood pressure or anxiety disorders. Not much is known about taurine and glucuronolactone, but high levels of them [b[could[/b] affect the body."
Red Bull - which sells 1.6 billion cans worldwide - said yesterday that its product was safe.
A spokeswoman said: "Red Bull will continue to be sold in 100 countries worldwide." She added: "No authority in the world has ever discovered or proven an unhealthy effect in or from Red Bull." Only France and Denmark have banned the drink. Britain's Committee on Toxicity investigated Red Bull in 2001 and found that it was safe, but warned pregnant women against it because high caffeine intake has been linked to a risk of miscarriage.
Originally posted by: fredtam
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: fredtam
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Compton
Originally posted by: DrNoobie
Originally posted by: Mill
Have any research to back that up?
It's basically physiology. Unless I can find away to post my med book, I can't prove it to you, but I'll break it down for you.
1. Both caffeine and alcohol are diruetics, multiplying the dehydration caused when drinking alcohol. Not to mention that sugar slows down the absorbtion of water, also contributing to dehydration. Excessive drinking of the combined can lead to death.
2. Combing a strong stimulant (caffiene) with a heavy depressant (alcohol) can easily cause cardiopulmonary or cardiovascular failures, as it confuses the CNS.
3. Strong stimulants, as well as alcohol, decrease the body's ability to regulate temperature.
You don't have to believe me, I won't lose sleep over it.
lol you have to post LINKS to satisfy some people
No, you just have to not talk about things that you know nothing about.
Red Bull in suspected link to deaths
Europe?s highest court has just upheld a French ban on the ?energy? drink Red Bull on health grounds.
Energy drinks and alcohol a possibly dangerous mix
Either read my posts or don't bother replying. I said studies that said there was a link. All those articles said was that someone drank redbull and died. Gee, out of one billion bottles three people died. Hardly a causation there. Secondly:
Because Pearson's study was so recent and no other research asserts that mixing energy drinks with alcohol is not dangerous, students are not taking precautions when it comes to ordering the combinations at bars.
"I don't think people are generally scared about a lack of research until something serious happens to someone," Schwenninger said. Brianne Furstein, a senior advertising major, agreed.
Like I said, I am interested in studies, particularly peer-reviewed ones and not meta crap either.
""Sixty cups of coffee will kill you," he said. "Four hundred milligrams - two strong cups of coffee - can give a person who's not sensitive to caffeine nervousness and increased heart rate. But 80 milligrams - a few Cokes - can make someone sensitive have heart palpitations."
Key idea here my friend is that they were already SENSITIVE. I believe I already said that someone's own predisposition was the MOST important part of it all.
Title: "Energy drinks and alcohol a possibly dangerous mix"
So three deaths from drinking it is causation. PUHHHHHLEEEEASEEEEEEEEE. You can link three deaths to anything. But let's keep spreading FUD about stuff like this because it is what Americans do best. Your article supported my position more than it detracted from it. Each person's sensitivity vary, but most CAFFEINE sensitive people KNOW their issue already. All it takes is a modicum of sense out there to understand that people with a heart condition don't need to fvck around with stimulants. Same as with hepatisits... if you have it you don't need to funnel alcohol and eat Tylenol by the bottle. There is TOTAL difference between responsibility and a modicum of sense and spreading FUD about every goddamn product out there. Nothing is inherently safe but MOST substances in mainstream food/drink production are safe for everyone. There are always sensitivities(peanuts anyone?) but those people should be well aware of their problem. Point being, unless you have a predisposition to a sensitivity or some type of arrymthic heart conditon or murmur then why the hell spread FUD? Assholes...
<------ Drinks a six pack of Mountain Dew a day
<-------Could be be considered an alcoholic (bottle of vodka a week)
<-------Still having a good time after most people pass out
<------- Hospitalized with heart palpitations and a 160BPM at rest heart rate in Bessemer Alabama after drinking a few Irish Coffees and two other shots. Cause as determined by the Doctor- alcohol and caffeine mix.
He did not say that everyone would die Drinking Red Bull but that other conditions are likely when mixed with alcohol.
No he said extremely dangerous condition. And why were you in Bessmer? Dangerous place. But honestly, the doctor said that, but what did he do to determine that? People have been mixing alcohol with coffee for years. If this was an epidemic problem it would have been publicized. Obviously there was something pre-existing that caused your episode or another factor. I find it hard to believe that 200mg or so of caffeine with alcohol would cause a problem in 99% of all people. I already said that it is up to the INDIVIDUAL's body, but jackass Dr. Noobie refuses to clarify his FUD statement. Still, just because you had that combonation doesn't mean that was the cause. Might have been Dr. Noobie that diagnosed you. I kid, but seriously there is no way to prove THAT was the exact cause. It is going to take studies, but I've yet to see one even going after people who pour whiskey or bailey's into their coffee. It is simple FUD.
Just about anyone <25 has probably drank red bull and vodka at once. It's pretty common, at least among the people I've met, and considering it's a special at a lot of bars it must be very popular.
So there are three deaths, so what? How many deaths can you link to just alcohol? And that doesn't stop people from getting sh!tfaced weekend after weekend, now does it?
There are far worse things you can do to yourself than red bull and vodka or jager.
So there are three deaths, so what? How many deaths can you link to just alcohol? And that doesn't stop people from getting sh!tfaced weekend after weekend, now does it?
There are far worse things you can do to yourself than red bull and vodka or jager.
Terrible terrible ethics for someone. Thumb your nose all you want, but I've presented my side very clearly and contradicted everything you said. You said extreme harm was likely and I completely disagreed. You'll see two studies above me that said Red Bull was not harmful and you also saw a study that said mixed with alcohol was not dangerous either, unless a PRE-EXISTING condition. Hide your head in the sand, but when you a make a moronic statement I will call you on it everytime. Last thing was need is another idiot spreading FUD about things. My only issues are exposing morons and begging them to stop being so stupid. If that is such an issue then enjoy living with your head in the sand. It is quite comfortable when you don't have to listen to anything.
yukichigai
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I'm 21. I've never had it. Of course I've never had Red Bull. Or Rockstar. Or any of the others except Amp, which tastes like pennies. (in a bad way)
By the way, the only energy drink you can find in Vegas is Rockstar. Nobody has Bawls. How weird.
Oh, and you never mentioned how much they had to drink, if they had been vomiting, how much caffeine in mg, or even what pre-existing conditions they had. You'll make a great doctor with your diagnostic skills. I pray I never run into you. Try not to kill anyone with your textbook diagnosis. Maybe get some background info first before you start trying to diagnose people with concocted BS not backed by research.
Didn't realize it was dangerous. It seemed like most other places. I picked up my brother in law in Birmingham and was supposed to take him to Louisiana but his plane came in late and they were doing road work in Bessemer so we said fvck driving all night pulled off and got drunk. I wish I would have kept driving. That was a bad night.
"Extremely dangerous" was definately an exaggeration on my part, but it is harmful, and CAN cause serious problems. Next time, I'll be careful how I word what I say. Red Bull by itself is not bad, Red Bull mixed with alcohol CAN be bad, and increases the rate of dehydration. People may not know that the combination will dehydrate them faster, and thus they will drink more thinking they're safe. This doesn't make them stupid or moronic, just ignorant in that respect. Think me a moron if you want, I don't care. I admit I'm not an "expert" like you are on this topic, but I assure you that when it comes to actual medicine and pathological studies, I'm hardly ignorant. If you feel like insulting me more, go ahead, I'll respond when I get back from my shift.
No, what you said was fine and correct. I totally agree with you that it needs to be common knowledge, but it certainly isn't extremely dangerous. All you had to do was say it was hyperbole. I can appreciate that to prove a point. Where do you think my mock anger comes from? It's all a spiel. Anyway, I agree it can be bad, but only from serious abuse. Abuse is bad period. I only insulted you because that is what I do. Kidding. Honestly, I just can't stand misinformation. Feel free to flame me if I post something like that. I'm all about the truth. Alcohol and drugs are a common problem, but I think it is a waste of time to try to tell college students that. They are going to do what they are going to do. College years are just the years that really clense the gene pool. Later...
We need some serious cliffs notes on this thread! I've got a bunch of redbull, so should I drink it or not?
All I know is that I'm no stranger to alcohol or caffeine. Nothing like that happened before that night or since. I have regular checkups and don't seem to have anything else wrong. The doctor did say it was actually quite common and that he even has patients come in who have basically overdosed on Mountain Dew. He said alcohol tends to intensify the effect. Even if only some people are going to have this reaction it would be nice to get the word out.
Edit: Also how much caffeine does coke have compared to coffee? I've drank an oceans worth of Beam/Captain and Coke and never had a problem. I have since changed to sprite as my mixer to make sure I never see my heartbeat again.
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