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Is Proposition 71 (Stem Cell Funding) going to pass in California?
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Darkhawk28
Diamond Member
Good, there's no reason why it shouldn't be one of this country's top priorities. Hopefully, a Kerry administration will go full steam ahead in this area.
Darkhawk28
Diamond Member
Fine, then you don't get any of the benefits from its discoveries. Plus, I'm not as selfish as you are apparently.
JustAnAverageGuy
Diamond Member
Crimson:
Why shouldn't it? Are you saying there should not have been any federal funding for any type of medical research in the past, now, and in the future?
Why shouldn't it? Are you saying there should not have been any federal funding for any type of medical research in the past, now, and in the future?
Oh ok! Nice answer.. No, my point is that a lot of research, especially controversial subjects such as stem cells, should be funded privately.. those who want to give money to research it should, those who don't, should not be forced to pay for it. Actually, I am not really against stem cell research, however I do have some serious issues with how the stem cells are obtained and from where. But thats kind of another subject.
This forum goes CRAZY when we talk about Church's getting public tax dollars, and nobody would argue churches haven't done any good for the public as a whole.. So, why should people who find stem cell research wrong be forced to pay it? Besides, California is a state which is seriously in debt already.
As for the issue of 'benefits', the people who discover anything (IF they do), will be RICHLY rewarded by the free market for their research.. so don't act like its all selfless on the researchers part either.
I didn't say that.. besides, this topic has nothing to do with FEDERAL money.. this is an already financially strapped state billions of dollars in debt, heavily overtaxed, asking their citizens to pay for research which is highly controversial.
By your reasoning, why not force people to give 50% of their salary to fund medical research, after all, wouldn't it help society? Yes, it probably would.. but we have to decide as a society where to draw the line... forcing an already overtaxed state to pay more for virtually no benefit to them is not the right thing to do. Those who HAVE the money, and WANT to contribute, should.. They can invest in research companies.. when (IF) this research pays off, they will make tons of money off their investment. Those who think this is immoral do not have to fund it.
judasmachine
Diamond Member
Funny I feel the same way about the military.
then move to a country that you won't have to ....I'll stay....fund it and lay my life down for my country.
As for Calif and the stemcell issue.....I might move so I don't have to fund it 🙂 ....Great country we live in, it's the state i'm in that sucks....Land of fruits and nuts
KK
Lifer
You don't support the military?
Anyways, I don't care one bit if people use stem cells, all the power to them. The people that are against such advances are religous nutjobs. My beef if I lived in california would be tax money going toward medical research and whether it should just be private companies funding such research. Letting the government handle money is like giving a 5 year old money, maybe if they were more responsible I'd be more inclined to go with proposition.
Pepsei
Lifer
Moving to another country? that's the dumbest thing anyone could say. are you saying you agree with everything the government has ever done? And thus you're still here?
If you don't like something you try to change it. don't act like some liberals who says they'll move and not move.
I have no problem with the state funding stem cell research. However, when they make a discovery it should be sold to a private company at a PROFIT to the state.
The problem with this sort of thing being done by universities and federal agencies is that private companies ultimately get the financial benefits for producing the drug or procedure without incurring the research costs. I'm sure the pharms are loving this proposition. It's win/win for them.
-Robert
The problem with this sort of thing being done by universities and federal agencies is that private companies ultimately get the financial benefits for producing the drug or procedure without incurring the research costs. I'm sure the pharms are loving this proposition. It's win/win for them.
-Robert
Hey good one! You should have thrown 'neocon' in there somewhere.. would have made you seem more authoritative...
Yeah, a war and stem cell research are almost the same.. Besides, as stated earlier, this is not FEDERAL funding, this is California funding.. so, if California was being forced alone to pay for the war in Iraq, you might actually have a point.. Unfortunately, like usual, you don't.. 😉
I voted for it. I realize that money is a problem in Cali, but I would support this over a lot of their current expenditures, and I'm hoping they will re-evaluate their spending. But on a different note, I support it because I'm worried about people holding back the progress of science, and I want to do everything possible to see it gets the attention it deserves.
Red Dawn
Elite Member
Well since we are talking about California your statement about supporting it or not with your tax dollar, seeing that you live in the Frozen Tundra known as Wisconsin, hasn't a point either. Of course that will never stop you from making a personal attack which I don't mind, especially if it's leveled at me, because it gives me the opportunity to say something about your gluttony and pinheadedness😉
I sure hope it doesn't pass. The problem is going to be that the Democrats have come on the TV saying "We need stem cell research, it will save lives, etc, etc, etc.". So people will just think "Oh, well I like stem cell research, it's good and it can save lives in the future", without realizing THEY ARE ACTUALLY PAYING FOR IT!! While I do believe this, why should I, Joe Taxpayer, have to fund some company's R&D costs?!?!? Don't try to tell me that in turn they will give us all a good deal on the future benefits of this, they'll stick it to us just as hard. I'm on the fence as far as stem cell research goes, but I'm totally AGAINST having to pay for it.
It's interesting b/c on Arnold's website and his "2 page quick reference guide for voters" he doesn't have a bunch of them listed. For example, he doesn't list Prop 71. You are right though, I think he supports it but the republican party as a whole opposes it.
People can vote what they want on Prop 71 obviously, but I just hope they are informed and realize it's a prop that costs money and help pay for the research, not just a prop to allow the research.
It's $6 billion over 30 years (principal plus interest) and the first 5 years are payment free (i.e., payments start on year 6 through year 30). I've looked at a lot of information for this proposal and it appears California pays ~$118 Billion on health care annually (or about $1,060/year for a family of 4). Based on what I've read, if stem cell therapies saves California 1% on their health care costs, Prop 71 will pay for itself. Also, Prop 71 will apparently cost each family of 4 persons an extra $20/year in added health care costs.
California benefits more than any other state in the 80's with defense contractors, more than any other state in the 90's with the tech boom so perhaps they'll benefit more than any other state from 2000 to 2010 with stem cell research. Who's to say at this point, but it seems likely to pay some sort of dividend in a rather large way.
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