Is plasma still better than LCD?

[Bonesdad]

If it was that easy, we wouldn't be having these debates (LCD vs plasma).

I don't think he said it's easy, he said your choice is going to be based on budget and viewing conditions. I researched for 3 months or more about LCD v Plasma in a room with some big windows. I finally went plasma because PQ is top on my list, I have NO concerns about burn-in, and I watch 90%+ during the night, so any reflectivity is of no concern. That said, reflection off my G10 during the day really doesn't bug me at all..but I'm not a "videophile" either. I just like to watch good TV and movies.

 

[BenSkywalker]

Because my games ran over 60FPS.

That's the biggest reason? If you can't see eye gouging flicker at 60Hz on a CRT computer monitor, really not a big point in continuing to discuss IQ, your eyes work in a completely different way then any enthusiast I know of.

 

[JackBurton]

That's the biggest reason? If you can't see eye gouging flicker at 60Hz on a CRT computer monitor, really not a big point in continuing to discuss IQ, your eyes work in a completely different way then any enthusiast I know of.

Ben, the flicker you are referring to is with a still picture and no motion, correct? If so, I get what you're saying now. However if the flicker at 72Hz bothers you, you're definitely in the minority. And if you are one of the few that it bothers, I guess you are definitely an LCD guy.

 

[HIO]

So what HDTV should I buy?

 

[HIO]

Kidding!!!!

 

[jacktesterson]

Once you go Plasma, you never go back...

 

[HIO]

Once you go Plasma, you never go back...

That is what I am thinking. <g>

Plasma:
Anatomy, Physiology. The liquid part of blood or lymph, as distinguished from the suspended elements.

So it seems all Plasma owners are really now vampires,...eh?

 

[gacrowell]

Interesting discussion; I've learned much that I'll use for my next HDTV purchase.

Heretical as it may seem, I'm insanely happy with my Samsung 62" DLP that's now a year old: LED bulb, no colorwheel. The brightness and viewing angle is fine for my room, and the depth was a don't care since the receiver & cable box etc., sit below it anyway. Sound was a don't care too. And it was a fraction the price of any much smaller LCD's or Plasma.

Of course Samsung quit making DLP's; figures. I figure they quit selling 'cause they could never match the unnatural brightness of others in a showroom.

Did Mitsubishi DLP ever go to LED?

Gary

 

[Muadib]

Did Mitsubishi DLP ever go to LED?
Gary

No.

 

[konakona]

interesting indeed, not that I would ever get a chance to buy something like XBR8 or kuro though lol
djnsmith7, why do you insist on referring to LED backlit LCDs as LEDs? you sound like you have enough experience to know better. I don't call my LCD monitor CCFL just because it has a CCFL backlight, you know

 

[djnsmith7]

interesting indeed, not that I would ever get a chance to buy something like XBR8 or kuro though lol
djnsmith7, why do you insist on referring to LED backlit LCDs as LEDs? you sound like you have enough experience to know better. I don't call my LCD monitor CCFL just because it has a CCFL backlight, you know

The link below is to a Samsung LED display. That should answer your question.

http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/t...l&amp;tab=features

 

[sivart]

The link below is to a Samsung LED display. That should answer your question.

http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/t...l&amp;tab=features

Man, that site is misleading. Only in the Q&A does someone ask -- and hence imply -- that it is an LED lit display. They ask if these are backlit or edge lit LED's. Still an LCD panel, no matter how you slice it.

OLED is what I'm waiting for. :biggrin: -- Not backlit LED TV's.

 

[GregGreen]

Jack, I think anyone reading this thread can figure out that you don't like the Samsung LED displays, but I have to say, some of the models you've referenced not only look good, but look much better than most of their LCD cousins.

OMG, they are not LED displays. They are LCD's lit by LEDs. You lose any credibility by your inability to accept this or talk in the correct terminology!!!!

Let's talk about about how most Samsung displays that were LED lit took a step back by moving from backlit to edgelit this year. How can you defend Samsung doing that?

 

[Muadib]

OMG, they are not LED displays. They are LCD's lit by LEDs. You lose any credibility by your inability to accept this or talk in the correct terminology!!!!

Let's talk about about how most Samsung displays that were LED lit took a step back by moving from backlit to edgelit this year. How can you defend Samsung doing that?

From what I understand, Samsung is using mirrors along with the edgelit with their 2010 sets. They claim that it works better than using the backlit tech, because it's cheaper as they don't need as many LEDS, and that it works just as well. I have my doubts about that, but we will see.

 

[0roo0roo]

OMG, they are not LED displays. They are LCD's lit by LEDs. You lose any credibility by your inability to accept this or talk in the correct terminology!!!!

Let's talk about about how most Samsung displays that were LED lit took a step back by moving from backlit to edgelit this year. How can you defend Samsung doing that?

lol yea. color gamut from white led isn't that good either. some high color gamut monitors were regular tube backlight based. unless its rgb led its just making the thing thinner.

 

[konakona]

wow, thats some atrocious marketing right there. they really must be trying to exploit the OLED buzz with that kinda naming scheme.
Bad Samsung, bad!

 

[djnsmith7]

OMG, they are not LED displays. They are LCD's lit by LEDs. You lose any credibility by your inability to accept this or talk in the correct terminology!!!!

Let's talk about about how most Samsung displays that were LED lit took a step back by moving from backlit to edgelit this year. How can you defend Samsung doing that?

First of all, I could care less what you think, so your comments are moot.

Secondly, for everyone else that can read, which are most on this forum, Samsung has labeled & classified the referenced displays as LED. Argue all you want & until you turn blue, but as others have mentioned after your ridiculous comments, they are labeled as LED. I haven't lost any credibility. I've supported the referenced link, as others have as well.

And for the record, I've never said Samsung LED displays aren't related to LCD displays.

 

[Drako]

OMG, they are not LED displays. They are LCD's lit by LEDs. You lose any credibility by your inability to accept this or talk in the correct terminology!!!!

Let's talk about about how most Samsung displays that were LED lit took a step back by moving from backlit to edgelit this year. How can you defend Samsung doing that?

First of all, I could care less what you think, so your comments are moot.

Secondly, for everyone else that can read, which are most on this forum, Samsung has labeled & classified the referenced displays as LED. Argue all you want & until you turn blue, but as others have mentioned after your ridiculous comments, they are labeled as LED. I haven't lost any credibility. I've supported the referenced link, as others have as well.

And for the record, I've never said Samsung LED displays aren't related to LCD displays.

You must be in marketing. Either that or politics

 

[blackrain]

I would think the opposite is true. Plasma still has a superior picture, but I don't think there's much headroom for plasma technology to advance much further. LCD still has a lot of ways they can tweak and reinvent. The future is probably with LCD technology. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

I read somewhere that LCD inherently by its very nature has certain core limitations that prevent the pixels from changing faster. The increase in refresh rate (60 to 120 to 240) has helped alot in terms of addressing pixelation or artifacts, but it still doesn't compare to plasma smoothness to my eyes. The changes in frequency and the shift to using LED backlight show that this market has been maturing. But I think the maturing is eventually going to come to an end....enter 3D television. For some reason, LCD is the future, but I can't understand why. I will take my plasma over my friend's Sony XBR4 Bravia any day of the week when it comes to watching sports, fast moving scenes, and content that uses a lot of black or realism.

I have had some image retention (not to be confused with burn in), but I guess its pick your poison. It would be great to see that fixed, but there's little interest with the continuously growing LCD market.

On a side note, I don't care what Samsung calls their TVs. If they have an LCD panel, they have an LCD panel. Its that simple.

 

[HIO]

I read somewhere that LCD inherently by its very nature has certain core limitations that prevent the pixels from changing faster. The increase in refresh rate (60 to 120 to 240) has helped alot in terms of addressing pixelation or artifacts, but it still doesn't compare to plasma smoothness to my eyes. The changes in frequency and the shift to using LED backlight show that this market has been maturing. But I think the maturing is eventually going to come to an end....enter 3D television. For some reason, LCD is the future, but I can't understand why. I will take my plasma over my friend's Sony XBR4 Bravia any day of the week when it comes to watching sports, fast moving scenes, and content that uses a lot of black or realism.

I have had some image retention (not to be confused with burn in), but I guess its pick your poison. It would be great to see that fixed, but there's little interest with the continuously growing LCD market.

On a side note, I don't care what Samsung calls their TVs. If they have an LCD panel, they have an LCD panel. Its that simple.

Interesting post. What Plasma HDTV would you recommend 50" or bigger if you don't mind me asking?

 

[blackrain]

Interesting post. What Plasma HDTV would you recommend 50" or bigger if you don't mind me asking?

It depends on how far away you plan on sitting from the TV and the resolution of the content that you plan on watching.

I am sure you have seen this before:

http://s3.carltonbale.com/distance_chart.html

For example, if you are between 8-9 feet away from the TV and want to get the most out of bluray, you probably want at least a 58-60 inch TV.

 

[HIO]

It depends on how far away you plan on sitting from the TV and the resolution of the content that you plan on watching.

I am sure you have seen this before:

http://s3.carltonbale.com/distance_chart.html

For example, if you are between 8-9 feet away from the TV and want to get the most out of bluray, you probably want at least a 58-60 inch TV.

It's funny, I just saw that link earlier today before you posted. My seating is open to any distance but probably around 8-10 feet would be ideal and I have no lighting issues regarding glare.

 

[blackrain]

Here you go:
http://www.practical-home-theater-guide.com/lcd-response-time.html


"In contrast to LCD displays, plasma televisions and CRT TVs have a virtually instantaneous response time.

This is mainly limited by the speed of their video processing engine rather than by the time it takes to fire the display phosphor; this is in the order of nano-seconds as against the milliseconds required for the liquid crystals to change state in LCD panels. In this respect, LCD panels still have a long way to go.

Yet, there is a further technical difference between the two technologies that renders plasma superior when it comes to pixel response time. Control of pixel intensity in a plasma display does not rely on the same drive process used in an LCD panel. In an LCD display, a minor adjustment in pixel intensity level is brought about by altering the drive signal in very small steps to adjust the twisting action of the liquid crystals, and which in turn controls the amount of light reaching the surface.

As we will soon explain in this article, this method of adjusting the drive voltage in an LCD panel in small increments to represent an intermediate intensity level, leads to a relatively slow response that is substantially slower than the full 'on' or 'off' states.

Instead, plasma replies on the pulsing of current - using time division multiplexing techniques (TDM). In other words, the pixel drive signal in a plasma display is either fully 'on' or fully 'off', and you simply adjust its duration using TDM to control the pixel intensity. This leads to a much faster pixel response in plasma displays."

 

[Bonesdad]

First of all, I could care less what you think, so your comments are moot.

Secondly, for everyone else that can read, which are most on this forum, Samsung has labeled & classified the referenced displays as LED. Argue all you want & until you turn blue, but as others have mentioned after your ridiculous comments, they are labeled as LED. I haven't lost any credibility. I've supported the referenced link, as others have as well.

And for the record, I've never said Samsung LED displays aren't related to LCD displays.

LOL, and right now, he's sitting in front of his computer with his fingers in his ears yelling "LALALALALA, I CAN"T HEAR YOU"

You haven't lost any credibility at all...you ended with as much as you started with...for sure.

 

[HIO]

Here you go:
http://www.practical-home-theater-guide.com/lcd-response-time.html

Thanks blackrain for the link.

I want to buy a great Plasma. Picture and quality of product comes first with my criteria.

Would someone please tell me how to spend my money. <G> 50 inches minimum and the bigger the better but under $2500.00 give or take a few hundred dinero.

Thanks!