Is Obama really a bad president?

[santz]

Honestly I think all the bad mouthing you hear in public forums where people can remain anonymous without being involved in the forums in the long term- like for example yahoo forums, are actually paid users, who come and post bad stuff so that the general public opinion can be influenced or swayed.

what do you guys think?

Especially since the republicans realized that the last election was won by todays youth posting on social websites like facebook and others, i think its easy to get your own paid users whose daily job is to just post shit about Obama and give thumbs down from different user accounts to all the good things posted.

Ofcourse this can also be said about the opposite party

 

[ky54]

Honestly I think all the bad mouthing you hear in public forums where people can remain anonymous without being involved in the forums in the long term- like for example yahoo forums, are actually paid users, who come and post bad stuff so that the general public opinion can be influenced or swayed.

what do you guys think?

Especially since the republicans realized that the last election was won by todays youth posting on social websites like facebook and others, i think its easy to get your own paid users whose daily job is to just post shit about Obama and give thumbs down from different user accounts to all the good things posted.

Ofcourse this can also be said about the opposite party

I think you just named Ron Paul's constituency.

 

[boomerang]

Is he a bad President?

Barack Obama, Euro-Socialism, and the 2012 Election

EDIT: Attention everyone! IBMer has raised the possibility that some of you are not intelligent enough to comprehend that the link I provided above is proof of nothing. That the link is an opinion piece that I posted for reading and reflection. Please be informed that you may read the article should you choose to do so and you may form your own opinions.

Sorry for any confusion.

 

[IBMer]

Is he a bad President?

Barack Obama, Euro-Socialism, and the 2012 Election

Lol at using that opinion article as proof of anything.

 

[boomerang]

Lol at using that opinion article as proof of anything.

Are you serious? Do I have to tell you that it's an opinion piece. Oh wait, not you because you figured it out. Let me start anew.

Must I declare to the unwashed masses that do not possess the intellect you do that it's an opinion piece?

I will edit my post.

 

[Juddog]

Are you serious? Do I have to tell you that it's an opinion piece. Oh wait, not you because you figured it out. Let me start anew.

Must I declare to the unwashed masses that do not possess the intellect you do that it's an opinion piece?

I will edit my post.

That site is horrible; you should be ashamed of yourself for linking it.

 

[IBMer]

Are you serious? Do I have to tell you that it's an opinion piece. Oh wait, not you because you figured it out. Let me start anew.

Must I declare to the unwashed masses that do not possess the intellect you do that it's an opinion piece?

I will edit my post.

Perhaps you missed the word "that".

For all the talk about intellect you missed a key phrasing.

I did not say for instance type, "Lol at using an opinion article as proof of anything."

 

[ky54]

That site is horrible; you should be ashamed of yourself for linking it.

Is Pravda better?

 

[werepossum]

If he wins, we get four years of totally unconstrained Obama with his slew of societal misfits running the show while he plays a whole lot more golf. As an added bonus, we'll get at least one, most likely two and perhaps three more SCOTUS appointments out of him. Nuff said.

That is a real concern. But personally, I fear him less than I fear Santorum, and I consider myself on balance pretty far right.

 

[zsdersw]

If he wins, we get four years of totally unconstrained Obama with his slew of societal misfits running the show while he plays a whole lot more golf. As an added bonus, we'll get at least one, most likely two and perhaps three more SCOTUS appointments out of him. Nuff said.

Incorrect. He will have either one or both houses of congress led by Republicans to keep him in check.

 

[woolfe9999]

Given the circumstances he faced when entering office, I give him about a B.

 

[Ynog]

Incorrect. He will have either one or both houses of congress led by Republicans to keep him in check.

Likely the case. Current Senate is 53 members who caucus with the Democratic Party and 47 members who caucus with the Republican Party. Of the 33 members of the US Senate up for re-election they split 23 democrats and 10 republicans. Given the unhappiness with members of Congress (both aisles) weak incumbents are likely vulnerable. The Republican party could easily pick up four seats in the US Senate.

The House could go either way.

Given that, President Obama would have limited ability to shape legislation as he did in his first 2 years. The real worry is Supreme Court nominations. However that goes both ways.

 

[cybrsage]

Incorrect. He will have either one or both houses of congress led by Republicans to keep him in check.

This is the only reason I am not out there helping the campaigning against Obama. We need both half of the legislature to be of the opposite party if there is someone like Obama (regardless of his party) elected to his final term.

 

[cybrsage]

That is a real concern. But personally, I fear him less than I fear Santorum, and I consider myself on balance pretty far right.

Santorum would be easily countered by any Congress - even if it is run by his own party, IMO. Obama, with a dem controlled Congress, has already shown he cannot be trusted.

 

[Ninjahedge]

Honestly I think all the bad mouthing you hear in public forums where people can remain anonymous without being involved in the forums in the long term- like for example yahoo forums, are actually paid users, who come and post bad stuff so that the general public opinion can be influenced or swayed.

what do you guys think?

Especially since the republicans realized that the last election was won by todays youth posting on social websites like facebook and others, i think its easy to get your own paid users whose daily job is to just post shit about Obama and give thumbs down from different user accounts to all the good things posted.

Ofcourse this can also be said about the opposite party

Why does this sound familiar....

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2233784

Honestly I think all the bad mouthing you hear in public forums where people can remain anonymous without being involved in the forums in the long term- like for example yahoo forums, are actually paid users, who come and post bad stuff so that the general public opinion can be influenced or swayed.

what do you guys think?

Especially since the republicans realized that the last election was won by todays youth posting on social websites like facebook and others, i think its easy to get your own paid users whose daily job is to just post shit about Obama and give thumbs down from different user accounts to all the good things posted. And its dirt cheap to pay for this kind of campaigning too.

Ofcourse this can also be said about the opposite party..

I say this because most of the forums where people know each other like AT Forums, and have a reputation to keep, generally consider Obama as having done a B- job, who made some mistakes like on healthcare, but still having done the best job he could do under the circumstances Every one makes mistakes.

But public forums just talk smack shit and but troll bait about him, to the point of lies.

What do you guys think?

like, dude.... WTH?

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Is Obama a bad president? By what standard?

Objectively, yes, he's a bad president. He hasn't done anything to address the unemployment and depreciating wages caused by global labor arbitrage--foreign outsourcing, H-1B and L-1 visas, and mass immigration, nor has he done much to address the issue of population explosion. He hasn't addressed the issue of wealth concentration amongst the top 1-5% of the population and he didn't propose nor provide a solid defense of having real socialized medicine.

However, that being said, relative to other recent presidents who have been awful, Obama is a good or at least mediocre president. In contrast, recent Republican presidents and candidates have been God-awful.

 

[werepossum]

Santorum would be easily countered by any Congress - even if it is run by his own party, IMO. Obama, with a dem controlled Congress, has already shown he cannot be trusted.

I don't trust the Republicans to rein in a social conservative. There are too many who agree with him and too many who lack the courage to go against their party's base. But even given a Democrat Republican Congress that would keep him in check, he'll still have the same power as does Obama currently. I dislike them both, albeit for reasons that are somewhat polar opposites, but if I had to choose one I'd take Obama. Better the devil you know than the devil who wants to wage holy war on part of the American populace.

Now were Obama to gain a Democrat House and a Democrat Senate with a filibuster-proof majority (something the Pubbies have NEVER had) I'd agree with you. But currently the Republicans stand to easily hold the House and possibly even gain a narrow margin in the Senate, which I'd like. In that case it's no contest; Santorum is much more frightening to me.

If it looks like the Dems are going to take the House, then I'd probably hold my nose and vote for Santorum, but I can't easily imagine any scenario where Santorum wins but the Dems take the House.

 

[EXman]

I predict this thread will be filled with rational, reasonable posts full of facts and no hyperbole at all.

Just Like the White House?

 

[cybrsage]

I don't trust the Republicans to rein in a social conservative. There are too many who agree with him and too many who lack the courage to go against their party's base. But even given a Democrat Republican Congress that would keep him in check, he'll still have the same power as does Obama currently. I dislike them both, albeit for reasons that are somewhat polar opposites, but if I had to choose one I'd take Obama. Better the devil you know than the devil who wants to wage holy war on part of the American populace.

Now were Obama to gain a Democrat House and a Democrat Senate with a filibuster-proof majority (something the Pubbies have NEVER had) I'd agree with you. But currently the Republicans stand to easily hold the House and possibly even gain a narrow margin in the Senate, which I'd like. In that case it's no contest; Santorum is much more frightening to me.

If it looks like the Dems are going to take the House, then I'd probably hold my nose and vote for Santorum, but I can't easily imagine any scenario where Santorum wins but the Dems take the House.

I would go with Santorum over Obama. Mostly because if Obama forces his views I know they will not align very well with my own. If Santorum forces his views, they will align with mine a bit more.

That said, I do not want a president to force his radical views, regardless of which side of the aisle he is on.

 

[piasabird]

I have not seen anything good come from what O'Bamma has done since he has been in office. Health care costs have increased, the price of gas has increased and every year the feds enact a billion new regulations to enslave people.

 

[zsdersw]

I would go with Santorum over Obama. Mostly because if Obama forces his views I know they will not align very well with my own. If Santorum forces his views, they will align with mine a bit more.

That said, I do not want a president to force his radical views, regardless of which side of the aisle he is on.

Obama won't be able to force his views. He'll very likely be hindered by a Republican congress, remember?

If Santorum wins (an extreme long-shot) he will probably also have a Republican congress. It would, then, be considerably easier for him to force his views.

 

[NesuD]

I don't know much about him, but most of what I've heard has been good. And yet a lot of people seem to hate him. What am I missing here? He looks like a godsend compared to the carnival of freaks running for president.

While my general point of view on most things is at odds with his I wouldn't say he is a bad president. He is charismatic, and has good leadership qualities. The fact that his positions on a great many things are different from mine does not make him bad. I personally believe that the voting public is largely a bunch of uninformed misguided putzes who really have not idea who the bad guys in government really are. The office of the president is nowhere near as powerful as some seem to think. The president can do practically nothing without congresses approval. How can that be? The office of president has clearly defined powers granted by the constitution. Here is how it can be. The constitution places the power to budget and spend tax revenues clearly in the hands of congress. The president can request money for this and that and submit proposed budgets until the cows come home and it means nothing because congress decides what gets paid for and what does not. Simple as that. The real villains in government are our congressman and senators and until we grow a pair and show the dead weight the door nothing will change. It is standard political survival tactics to keep the media and the voters focusing on the president regardless of which party happens to hold the office. The real power is the power of the purse which belongs to congress as long as we stay fixated on the office of president as the source of our political problems then the real villains in congress will continue to dodge responsibility for their actions thus securing their positions.

 

[ky54]

I think we can use an accurate measuring gauge:

- if you thought FDR and Johnson were great presidents then you probably think the same of Obama.

- If you think Carter and Clinton were great presidents then you probably like Obama but feel he isn't pushing hard enough for his campaign promises.

- if you think George HW Bush and and his son were great presidents then you probably think Obama is OK.

- if you think Hamilton and Reagan were great presidents then you probably strongly dislike Obama.

 

[nonlnear]

What if you think Garfield and Cleveland were great Presidents?

 

[ky54]

What if you think Garfield and Cleveland were great Presidents?

Then you don't know who Obama is.