Is Netanyuhu nuts?

[SamurAchzar]

How about we get rid of the nuclear weapon potential for ALL countries in the Middle East, including Israel?

It's a great idea. Just, what guarantees will Israel be provided with that it will not face a combined Arab attack like it did in '48, '67 and '73?

 

[Greenman]

I think it's very bad that 90% of our election discussion seems to be about who's going to win instead of who should, and 90% of our war talk is who can win, not who should.

Both moot points. All that matters in both contests is who wins. We have very little influence in either.

 

[Lemon law]

The IAEA has almost less international cred that the USA or Israel. They could have debunked the myths that GWB was selling regarding Iraqi WMD and instead choose not to.

As it is Iran is working within IAEA guidelines, when Israel is the greater danger and built their nuclear program on the sneak.

As for Iran ever becoming any nuclear weapons power, that decision lies at least 3 years into the future as Iran has almost all of its Uranium enrichment at only the 3%
level. Almost enough to power nuclear reactors to generate electrical energy, but well short of the 25% level to build a breeder reactor to refine any plutonium out of spent fuel rods. And light years from the 95% or so U235 enrichment level needed to build just one conventional A bomb.

But I have every confidence in the IAEA to produce experts equally as credible as Screw ball, Curve ball, and the esteemed Dr. Chalibi.

As for the Nebor assertion that my head would explode if Israel engaged in mass civilian collective punishment defined as a a war crime in Gaza or Lebanon, yet again, don't expect the larger world to ignore it this time, as all world economies would fall into to a economic depression as world oil prices would almost instantly exceed $1000/dollars a barrel and stay there for a very long time. As the long terms vision of Ossama Bin Laden would energize terrorists of every religion to tear down the existing world order.

Wars always look good on paper, but the devils are always in the details. I am fairly old and I will soon likely die of old age, so I reserve most of my pity on the young, who will live blighted lives if they even survive the stupidity.

 

[woolfe9999]

I don't want to spoil this discussion with some facts but I'll do so anyway:

Fact #1:
IAEA is going to come out with solid evidence of an Iranian WMD program, most likely backed by solid evidence gathered by US and Israel. The Chinese and Russians know this and have pressured for this data not to be exposed as they understand it will be very difficult to back down from that point.

I was puzzled when reading this because I hadn't heard about it, but sure enough:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/02/iran-nuclear-weapons-programme

Apparently the IAEA is releasing a report next week concluding that there is solid evidence of a weapons program. With UN verification, it isn't just the US and Israel anymore. I guess things are about to get more interesting.

- wolf

 

[woolfe9999]

The IAEA has almost less international cred that the USA or Israel. They could have debunked the myths that GWB was selling regarding Iraqi WMD and instead choose not to.

Wow, this is quite a riot of hypocrisy. How many times in the past have you used IAEA reports to argue that Iran is no threat to build nukes in the past, and now that the IAEA is set to release a report saying they're a near term threat, they suddenly have no credibility in your book? Should I start linking your posts from past threads?

I don't know about the IAEA's "credibility," but I certainly know about yours: it doesn't exist.

- wolf

 

[irishScott]

How do you envision Iran successfully using guerrilla warfare in the Persian Gulf against the US Navy?

I can see it now, a bunch of Iranians in 1,000 motorboats with RPGs swarming the 5th fleet Somali style.

 

[Lemon law]

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Originally Posted by davmat787 View Post
How do you envision Iran successfully using guerrilla warfare in the Persian Gulf against the US Navy?
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Maybe the same way we presently see the Afghan Taliban bringing the USA military occupation of Afghanistan to a total 10 year stalemate. And Vietnam doing the same multiple times against all comers in its 3000 year history.

Those type countries do not think in terms of military resources, but in continual resistance to any foreign domination even if it takes 150 years. I could even site the country of my Finnish maternal grandmother, who hated any Russian, from the day she was first born in 1885.

Make no mistake, they are every bit as intelligent as anyone else and not suicidal, but such people will use use subtle weapons for as long as it takes. Even if the evil empire installs a phony puppet government. As the USA is doing no better than the ill fated Russians in trying to occupy Afghanistan. Nor did the Brits or even Alexander the great do any better.

Humans are strange and stubborn critters, if you don't understand humans you understand nothing. Long after former military powers like Egypt, Greece, and Rome are shadows of their former selves, the world distribution of people have not changed much in 4000 years.

 

[Orignal Earl]

I can see it now, a bunch of Iranians in 1,000 motorboats with RPGs swarming the 5th fleet Somali style.

lol

That made me picture a cartoon
The 5th fleet sitting there on high alert, every man on a pair of binoculars watching the sea for the motorboat invasion.
A lone Iranian agent who has been running the bootleg porn and booze racket on base for years walks up behind the fleet and taps them on the shoulder
"What you guys looking for?"
"IRIANSIAN ARE COMING"
The agent smiles and says "Keep up the good work"
He turns and walks off in the sunset.
We see he left behind one little bottle.
One of the sailors turns around and goes "mmmm mountain dew, and opens the bottle"
green mist surrounds the cartoon frame

 

[Nebor]

The IAEA has almost less international cred that the USA or Israel. They could have debunked the myths that GWB was selling regarding Iraqi WMD and instead choose not to.

As it is Iran is working within IAEA guidelines, when Israel is the greater danger and built their nuclear program on the sneak.

As for Iran ever becoming any nuclear weapons power, that decision lies at least 3 years into the future as Iran has almost all of its Uranium enrichment at only the 3%
level. Almost enough to power nuclear reactors to generate electrical energy, but well short of the 25% level to build a breeder reactor to refine any plutonium out of spent fuel rods. And light years from the 95% or so U235 enrichment level needed to build just one conventional A bomb.

But I have every confidence in the IAEA to produce experts equally as credible as Screw ball, Curve ball, and the esteemed Dr. Chalibi.

As for the Nebor assertion that my head would explode if Israel engaged in mass civilian collective punishment defined as a a war crime in Gaza or Lebanon, yet again, don't expect the larger world to ignore it this time, as all world economies would fall into to a economic depression as world oil prices would almost instantly exceed $1000/dollars a barrel and stay there for a very long time. As the long terms vision of Ossama Bin Laden would energize terrorists of every religion to tear down the existing world order.

Wars always look good on paper, but the devils are always in the details. I am fairly old and I will soon likely die of old age, so I reserve most of my pity on the young, who will live blighted lives if they even survive the stupidity.

You literally have negative credibility. The opposite of what you say is far more likely to happen than the things you predict. I can't imagine how you make it through your day to day life. Does someone take care of you?

 

[Nebor]

Quote:
Originally Posted by davmat787 View Post
How do you envision Iran successfully using guerrilla warfare in the Persian Gulf against the US Navy?
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe the same way we presently see the Afghan Taliban bringing the USA military occupation of Afghanistan to a total 10 year stalemate. And Vietnam doing the same multiple times against all comers in its 3000 year history.

Those type countries do not think in terms of military resources, but in continual resistance to any foreign domination even if it takes 150 years. I could even site the country of my Finnish maternal grandmother, who hated any Russian, from the day she was first born in 1885.

Make no mistake, they are every bit as intelligent as anyone else and not suicidal, but such people will use use subtle weapons for as long as it takes. Even if the evil empire installs a phony puppet government. As the USA is doing no better than the ill fated Russians in trying to occupy Afghanistan. Nor did the Brits or even Alexander the great do any better.

Humans are strange and stubborn critters, if you don't understand humans you understand nothing. Long after former military powers like Egypt, Greece, and Rome are shadows of their former selves, the world distribution of people have not changed much in 4000 years.

The Afghan Taliban lost. Badly. They've suffered massive casualties and total defeat. The US hasn't lost the fight. We've lost the civil construction project. We failed to turn Afghanistan into a functioning nation. But since on one has ever succeeded at it before, I don't feel too bad about it.