Is my processor really running almost 90C???

[SickBeast]

Yes, I just now checked that.



That sounds like a good idea. Does AMD's Overdrive let me do that? I haven't yet read anything about changing the clock speed, so I'm not sure if I know how...

Is this the recommended CPU cooler? (Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler)
http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-...8382370&sr=8-1

To underclock your CPU, just go in the BIOS and lower the multiplier to whatever you want.

You could lower the voltage as well, but that requires some skill. If you're going to do that, make sure you know how to clear your CMOS first in the event that you drop it too much and your computer won't boot.

Yes, that is the recommended CPU cooler, and that's a pretty good price for it, especially considering that it comes with free shipping. I'm pretty sure it comes with thermal paste as well, just FYI.

 

[SickBeast]

Also, OP, make sure that the Hyper 212 will fit in your case. It's pretty tall.

 

[Elixer]

Do you think it's alright to use the radio shack thermal paste, at least temporarily until the newegg thermal paste comes?


What is the difference between tcase and the core temperatures? I would guess that the tcase is just measured further away and less likely to fluctuate rapidly?


The fan on the heatsink IS RUNNING as well as the two fans on the case.

Here is a FAQ for the temp stuff: http://www.overclock.net/amd-cpus/1128821-amd-temp-information-guide.html

As for RS, I guess they are better than nothing, depending on what they sell.
I am not convinced your CPU is still OK, so once you get the heatsink worked out, I would run OCCT, or something along those lines, and see if it errors out.
90C is crazy hot for a Phenom II.

 

[TBay]

The tcase temp is taken from the casing of the CPU. I don't know where exactly but most likely the top of the CPU where the thermal paste is applied.
The core temp is taken from the physical cores themselves on the CPU. The cores transfer the heat to the tcase that is cooled by the heatsink.

Something isn't right there. Wait till you get some thermal paste (if you haven't got any) and re-apply it to the CPU. Make sure your seating it correctly too, you've got put quite some pressure on the lever to get it to latch.

That makes since. So the tcase temp is somewhat like an average of the temp of the 4 cores.

From your earlier post, it sounds like 90C is bad, but not horrible? Like the processor's redline?

To underclock your CPU, just go in the BIOS and lower the multiplier to whatever you want.

You could lower the voltage as well, but that requires some skill. If you're going to do that, make sure you know how to clear your CMOS first in the event that you drop it too much and your computer won't boot.

Yes, that is the recommended CPU cooler, and that's a pretty good price for it, especially considering that it comes with free shipping. I'm pretty sure it comes with thermal paste as well, just FYI.

Sweet! I'll get that on the way ASAP!

Not sure if it will help, but here's a pic of the processor. I'll definitely be buy some spray to get rid of the dust.

And here's a screen shot of the temps when I had it running. So, if I understand this correctly, my current multiplier is 16, so maybe I should change it to somewhere around 12?

 

[SickBeast]

I think what I would do would be to drop it down to a 10X multiplier, and try running it on 1.25v.

 

[theevilsharpie]

According to it, my processors are running 85-90 degrees C. Could they actually be that hot??? I have handbrake running and I'm showing 100% on all 4 processors.

The Max temp for a Phenom II is 62C. I would imagine that a Phenom II would crash very quickly if it was running it 90C.

Given that you've said that you've been running this way for over a year, I'm going to say that your temperature monitoring isn't functioning properly.

 

[VirtualLarry]

The Max temp for a Phenom II is 62C. I would imagine that a Phenom II would crash very quickly if it was running it 90C.

Given that you've said that you've been running this way for over a year, I'm going to say that your temperature monitoring isn't functioning properly.

This. I think 90C on an AMD, without crashing, is virtually impossible.

 

[TBay]

This. I think 90C on an AMD, without crashing, is virtually impossible.

That's what I'm beginning to think. I haven't had the computer crash even once.

The only thing that makes me think it is working correctly is how much it changes when load is applied. Starting at 50C and going up to 90C. I've never seen a broken temp sensor output an incorrect reading, yet continue to vary with temperature...

Either way, I'll order a new heatsink. I'm about to clean out the dust and see if that helps at all.

I think what I would do would be to drop it down to a 10X multiplier, and try running it on 1.25v.

I'm guessing that I can just change that in the BIOS? Also, how quick do these things heat up? The computer has been sitting for 1 hour now, if I turn it on and look at the BIOS (no booting), should it show something near room temp? Or will it have already heated up?

 

[SickBeast]

Yes, you can change that in the BIOS.

Under full load, my CPU goes from 30C up to 50C in less than a minute.

You could just power it up and watch the temperature reading in the BIOS for a few minutes. It shouldn't get very hot in there. If you're hitting 60C in the BIOS after a cold boot, that's a serious heat issue.

 

[hdfxst]

running in the bios puts a pretty good load on the cpu.i was sitting at 30c in windows but after a few minutes in the bios it hit 41c

 

[TBay]

Yes, you can change that in the BIOS.

Under full load, my CPU goes from 30C up to 50C in less than a minute.

You could just power it up and watch the temperature reading in the BIOS for a few minutes. It shouldn't get very hot in there. If you're hitting 60C in the BIOS after a cold boot, that's a serious heat issue.

I just cleaned out the case with some dust remover spray. I also turned one of the fans on the computer case from medium to high.

After missing the BIOS on the first boot, I got into it on the second. The temp was 36C. Now it's been running for about 10 minutes and the temperature is about 42C. However, I am running the computer without the case cover right now. Does this sound about right?

 

[hdfxst]

those temps look good,do you know what stepping it is?if it's a c-3 and you're running 3.2 you should be able to drop the volts down to 1.3

 

[TBay]

those temps look good,do you know what stepping it is?if it's a c-3 and you're running 3.2 you should be able to drop the volts down to 1.3

What is "stepping"? Is that located in the BIOS?

It's been in the BIOS for 25 minutes, and still showing 40C, so I'm gonna boot and see if the temps go up again.

 

[hdfxst]

download cpu-z http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html

 

[lehtv]

You can check the stepping of your CPU with CPU-Z. EDIT: Damn, ninja'd.

 

[TBay]

ok! Now I'm super confused! I have it up and running and the current temperature has yet to exceed 35C!!! WTF?!?!?!

Not that I'm mad, but could cleaning up really help that much? Maybe a fan wasn't spinning or something...

 

[Elixer]

ok! Now I'm super confused! I have it up and running and the current temperature has yet to exceed 35C!!! WTF?!?!?!

Not that I'm mad, but could cleaning up really help that much? Maybe a fan wasn't spinning or something...

It is possible, if you had that much dust, it would have been caked on though.
Download this program, and with the case open, run it for 10 mins.
http://www.ocbase.com/perestroika_en/index.php?Download

If temps go higher than 60C, then stop it, and report back.

 

[TBay]

I probably can't download that. I use this computer for work sometimes, so I have to be careful.

I have been using stability test in AMD Overdrive and not seeing temps higher than 49 degrees. This makes me think that the temperature sensor is working correctly. Still can't imagine how it could run so hot.

Could I put on something like the Corsair Hydro-series H80?
http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Perfor...8392435&sr=8-1

Thanks again for all the help!!!

 

[Elixer]

How big is your case ?

 

[TBay]

How big is your case ?

I think it's big enough. It's a Antec Three Hundred + BP430 Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 430W Power Supply (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811129065)

I'm running the stability test right now with plenty of other things going, and the max temp so far is 48C!!! It almost makes me think that one of the fans wasn't spinning or something. I wonder how long it has been that hot...

 

[Elixer]

I think it's big enough. It's a Antec Three Hundred + BP430 Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 430W Power Supply (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811129065)

I'm running the stability test right now with plenty of other things going, and the max temp so far is 48C!!! It almost makes me think that one of the fans wasn't spinning or something. I wonder how long it has been that hot...

Whoops, sorry, didin't notice it in the first post.

Yeah, that should be OK, but I guess it isn't needed anymore. Hmm.

 

[TBay]

Whoops, sorry, didin't notice it in the first post.

Yeah, that should be OK, but I guess it isn't needed anymore. Hmm.

I'm pretty sure I could find a way to justify that! Like, what if this problem happens again, only this time, I don't notice the high temps, and my computer blows up??? Plus, I wouldn't mind being able to OC to 3.8GHz or so...

I have the case cover back on now, and am seeing a max temp of 51C (2C higher than without the cover). Looks like everything is working! I'm starting to wonder if something fell on the upper fan of the case... But even if that happened, I still can't imagine it causing the temp to climb by 40C.


Thanks for the help in solving this problem! I guess we all learned that a processor can survive 90C!!!

 

[Elixer]

Just curious, was anything blocking the cases air vents ?

 

[TBay]

Just curious, was anything blocking the cases air vents ?

That is the only thing I can think of that would cause this (in my above post). The only vent/fan that could have been blocked was the one on the top. Even then, the thing I had sitting on top wasn't big enough to completely cover it.

Probably was a little bit of both - Computer has never been cleaned since I built it 14 months ago and the top vent/fan MAY have been partially covered.

 

[AdamK47]

Max for these chips aren't high. 62C I think I read.

The maximum set by end users who think they know what the temperature should be, or the actual maximum temperature?