Is Mexico a parasite on the USA?

[sillymofo]

Originally posted by: alexruiz
I am glad to see someone posted the trade balance of Mexico - USA...... so this should shut up all the idits that said we are parasites..... (which are many by the resulkts ofmthe poll) Those are the fact. Everything is trade.

Well, the posts showed that both countries are equally parasitic.

You have people that moved illegally??? Yes, but they are not sitting in a couch scratching their belly watching TV and collecting welfare...... they moved because thay want to work, and most of them work hard. Alex

I beg to differ, if you live in California, particularly southern California, you would not see the many that don't "sitting on a couch scratching their belly watching TV", that is because they're too busy scratching their ass while chasing after their twentieth kid and collecting welfare check (this is after a naturallization process, call it illegal - upgraded). I've seen it too often to discredit the fact.

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: ElFenix

[something or other that is illegal] are a negative against the US. If this was not the case it wouldn't be called illegal.

that's some rather crappy logic

The intent behind my statement was to illuminate the fact that if all of the swarms of uneducated illegal masses were good for this country (as some actually do believe), then the government would allow them to come in swarms and legalize it while theyr'e at it. Why has the government not done this? Because it doesn't like Mexicans? No, because it knows that it needs to do its best to fight the swell of illegal immigration. And BTW perhaps I got off topic. I can't say whether Mexico is a parasite or not against the US. It may not be at all. My earlier writings were more in regards to illegal immigration, and since most of it does come from Mexico that is why I leaned in the parasite direction. So to clarify: Illegal immigrants are parasites.

You should spend more time worrying about the demand side and not the supply side. It seems to me that the ones who are doing the hiring are committing more egregious and repetetive illegal acts than the ones who are desperate to feed and take care of their families.

Who's going after these companies? For every one person they hire, it encourages more to come over. Officials turn a blind eye to help the companies' profits, are you? Are you even concerned about the industry that supplies your produce are exploiting illegals for the sake of cheap labor and increased profits? Don't be mistaken, most of these illegals are not even making minimum wage.

So you are buying imported goods only to avoid supporting companies with these illegal practices, right? Why don't you go after them instead of ranting about a nationality of people who are not bad people but simply are looking for a better way of life.

 

[her209]

Tell that to the companies who ship jobs overseas. :|

 

[drewshin]

i would consider it symbiotic. us companies get cheap labor, both here and by opening right across the border factories to hire mexican labor. u.s. consumers get cheaper prices on meat, produce, other products.

to say "mexico" is a parasite on the usa is too general a statement. there definietly are some mexicans that are feeding off the system though. if mexicans sent $6 billion to mexico, that is a very small number compared to price benefits we are seeing because of the cheap labor they provide.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: alexruiz

Originally posted by: Skoorb
alexruiz You say that we are living in the most braniwashed society. Quite unlikely considering we have access to more media and freedom of expression than the majority of the countries in the world (yours included). If somebody doesn't agree with you it doesn't mean theyre brainwashed. But, while we're on that topic you said:

We enjoy our life and our culture, and feel proud to be here even if we don't have as many luxuries -often unneded- ..... we are happy in our country, and try to make it better everyday..... that is something you couldn't understand.

My God man are you listening to yourself? MILLIONS of Mexicans are fleeing your country. Surely some like it, but a blanket statement like you just made is patently untrue. YOU may be trying to make Mexico better but millions of others have thrown in the towel.

You prove that you are brainwashed.... Have you EVER attempted to read a newspaper or watch news form Mexico?? do it and you'll get the answer yourself..... No, not univision or similar garbage, I mean TRUE news from the country..... try it. More media doesn't mean better, specially if the line is basically the same. Brainwashed means IGNORANCE, people that speak because they heard, but never witnessed..... people who believe someone who barely could speak in another country
for anything else that asking food and the bill...... Freedom of expression?? A joke, anyone saying something that could sound like a commie will be seen as enemy..... People have the prejudice against anything that sounds different. You could be a neonazi and be cool, or gay and be cool, but god bless if you are a commie...... I asked before if someone read the memories of "El Che" Guevara.... you know the answer.
I even challenge you to try to get any of his 2 books anywhere in the USA..... I tried and I was unsucessful, not to mention the look I got from the person at the counter in B&N... everyone gets scared just by hearing a word that can be linked to a commie. Try it, prove me wrong. I'll give you and address in the USA where you can ship the book.

The millions that are leaving the country are the ones that have NO skills, as pointed by yourself... You said that you haven't found Mexicans in your field, correct? Where are all the people from Mexico that went to college? As you are aware, we have hundreds of universities..... so, where are all the graduates from those schools? No, most of them are not moving, the prospect of more money is not convincing enough for those who already got a decent life here..... More luxury, far from my culture, crappy food, living in debt because I bought things that I don't own, taking the risk of suffering discrimination..... no thanks. The country needs people to work, and fortunately most of the skilled people are staying here...... So you prove my point.
You are Canadian, aren't you? Why did you move? why? You know the answer.....

A country that has the 12th largest economy in the world, great natural resources, one of the richest cultures in the world and an educational system that with more money could be world-class surely offers hope for the people who have the guts to try to be better, get skilled and go to school..... We have our share of problems, we need to get rid of a lot of things, we still have some cultural baggage, but we surely are going forward..... and we acknowledge that there are problems and need to be fixed, unlike the ones that think everything is OK....

I usually find that people use the excuse of saying they have "one of the richest cultures in the world" when they don't have anything else positive to say 🙂 Usually they are the brainwashed ones!

BTW, I see people wearing Guevara shirts all the time... I know of people that have his books or books about him (sorry, I personally have no interest in it). I even see people pass out Communist newspapers, lol.

 

[PMFleXXX]

So does this make people who live in the suburbs parasites on the cities/urban areas they work in? Take for example all the people that live in Maryland and Virginia but work in Washington, DC. Are they parasites sucking the life out of the DC Govt and its residents for taking and spending their hard earned wages in their local supermarkets and stores rather than DC. I would say not.

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Parasitic.

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And you know what. I'm really tired of these clueless assclowns who say that they do jobs that none of us would touch :| Are you really so stupid to belive that? Take fast food for example. Over the last few years in my area the workers at fast food places have become largely mexican in makeup. You know who used to do those jobs? Teenagers and high school dropouts. So apparently that job did used to get done by someone other than mexicans didn't it?

Are you really so stupid to belive that before we really started hemoraging allong the mexican border there was nobody in this country who would work in our fields, flip our burgers, cut our lawns, etc? Pull your heads out of your asses.

And for the record I've worked with these people doing what they do. My grandparents own a very good sized nursery here in Oregon (Hart's Nursery for anyone familiar with it. <shameless plug> 😛 ) and I worked there several summers. Doing that work no American would do of course

I guess since you, the tragically clueless, assume that since you wouldn't do a lot of what the mexican's do then you're ignorant enough to assume nobody would. I should pity you for being so stupid but I just can't find it in me.
</rant>

Btw, I have nothing against mexican's. Out of the several hundred I worked with I liked most all of them. They're good hardworking people on average from my experience.

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Parasitic. <RANT>And you know what. I'm really tired of these clueless assclowns who say that they do jobs that none of us would touch :| Are you really so stupid to belive that? Take fast food for example. Over the last few years in my area the workers at fast food places have become largely mexican in makeup. You know who used to do those jobs? Teenagers and high school dropouts. So apparently that job did used to get done by someone other than mexicans didn't it? Are you really so stupid to belive that before we really started hemoraging allong the mexican border there was nobody in this country who would work in our fields, flip our burgers, cut our lawns, etc? Pull your heads out of your asses. And for the record I've worked with these people doing what they do. My grandparents own a very good sized nursery here in Oregon (Hart's Nursery for anyone familiar with it. <SHAMELESS plug>😛 ) and I worked there several summers. Doing that work no American would do of course

I guess since you, the tragically clueless, assume that since you wouldn't do a lot of what the mexican's do then you're ignorant enough to assume nobody would. I should pity you for being so stupid but I just can't find it in me. </RANT>Btw, I have nothing against mexican's. Out of the several hundred I worked with I liked most all of them. They're good hardworking people on average from my experience.

I doubt very much mcdonalds hires illegals.

And if they do your beef should be with them, not the workers.

 

[MrColin]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK

Originally posted by: alexruiz

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cKOh man. It's amazing how you can claim the United States stole Mexico's land, but I guess Mexico didn't steal anybodys land of course. Oh right, you don't care about that do you.

Well, then PROVE it....... What land did we steal????

Following your beliefs of whoever was there first, owns the land...

Lemme see, just like the United States, you stole land from the native tribes. I'm sure the Mexican government today is representative of them huh? You don't think there were non-Mexican people living in Southwest United States also?

Like I said, you're "we were here first" belief is flawed. If every country was to follow that policy, I don't think any country would exist.

I'm really disgusted with the results of this poll. Mexican migrant workers work harder at sh!tty jobs for less money than any beloved patriot on this board! Boo Hoo 6billion dollars form the entire economy, you guys are saying "wow look at all of those zero's!" Do you think they just came over and stole that money? They worked thier a$$es off for that money both generating profit for US businesses and paying taxes on it (usually).

The real parasites are the Enron gang and the crooked-a$$ politicians here, and the corporations who are sending US productions (and jobs) to Mexico and elsewhere.

btw: Mexicans are Americans look at a globe!

 

[drewshin]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Parasitic.

<rant>
And you know what. I'm really tired of these clueless assclowns who say that they do jobs that none of us would touch :| Are you really so stupid to belive that? Take fast food for example. Over the last few years in my area the workers at fast food places have become largely mexican in makeup. You know who used to do those jobs? Teenagers and high school dropouts. So apparently that job did used to get done by someone other than mexicans didn't it?

Are you really so stupid to belive that before we really started hemoraging allong the mexican border there was nobody in this country who would work in our fields, flip our burgers, cut our lawns, etc? Pull your heads out of your asses.

And for the record I've worked with these people doing what they do. My grandparents own a very good sized nursery here in Oregon (Hart's Nursery for anyone familiar with it. <shameless plug> 😛 ) and I worked there several summers. Doing that work no American would do of course

I guess since you, the tragically clueless, assume that since you wouldn't do a lot of what the mexican's do then you're ignorant enough to assume nobody would. I should pity you for being so stupid but I just can't find it in me.
</rant>

Btw, I have nothing against mexican's. Out of the several hundred I worked with I liked most all of them. They're good hardworking people on average from my experience.

of course they'd be americans that would be willing to work our fields, flip our burgers, cut our lawns, but you think most of them would do it well? i've been to mcdonalds and i used to see those half baked high school dropouts, fricking rude as hell. high school dropouts that fricking cant take an order or dont give a crap about anything. there's a reason why mcdonald's and so many other corporations higher illegals or look the other way (btw, were you implying that your family's nursery hires illegals? why not hire americans for the job?).

if you were a company, would you rather hire a untrained, irresponsible teenager or high school dropout, who would probably leave in a few months for something better, and would bitch and complain about everything, OR would you rather hire someone who wouldnt mind working all kinds of hours, would fight to keep their job, etc??? no, corporations that do hire illegals LOVE illegals, they thrive off of them.

to a company, there's no patriotism or my country tis of thee crap involved, it's just purely motivated by getting the best worker for your buck

 

[drewshin]

yeah, i dont get where people say that illegals dont pay taxes. if the company they work for does things legally, then the illegal provides a social sec. number (could be fake or someone elses of course), but then they do get taxes taken out of their paycheck just like everyone else. some people here seem to think that they magically get their full paycheck and then decide not to pay taxes at the end of the year LOL. if anything, the government is getting extra money from these illegals, because im sure many of them earn little enough to get some kind of tax refund, but most likely dont file.

if the company deals under the table and doesnt require any social or itax info, then why fault the illegal for that? that's the company trying to get away with the law.

it's amazing how little american know about our history. each wave of immigrants (irish, germans, italians, russians, etc.) has had to go through the same load of crap, and history repeats itself.

 

[SgtZulu]

The rest of the world can't come up to the American standard of living, United States will have to lower to theirs.

Think about that when you'll be earning $5/hr. in the not so distant future

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: AvesPKS

Originally posted by: alexruiz
[

In four short years he met his every goal,
He seized the whole southwest from Mexico,
Made sure the tarriffs fell,
And made the English sell
The Oregon Territory,
He built an independent treasury,
Having done all this he sought no second term!
But precious few have mourned the passing of
Mr. James K. Polk our eleventh President,
Young Hickory--Napoleon of the stump.

Truly a great President.

You are kidding me? He got our army to fire at the Mexicans first and then lied about it saying we were defending ourselves...

As for the Oregon territory- he didn't make it as much as it was that we had populated it a hellava lot more than they did; they were also hoping that the area (i can't remember the river...my bad) would be the St. Lawrence of the Pacific but that never happened so it was somewhat suprising when the British were easily willing to negiotiate over the split of the land.

Mediocre president @ best...if he was "truly a great president" he would have taken a stand on slavery or atleast try to stop it rather than be like all the other presidents and hope the issue would go away.

You want a great president? Fast foreward 13 years from 1847 and you have one.

 

[alexruiz]

Originally posted by: Stark

My argument is that by encouraging illegal migration northward in hopes it will recieve money sent back into its borders, and that these immigrants harm the US economy more than they benefit it, that Mexico is, by definition, engaging in parasitic behavior.

Let's close it once and for all.

Show me the textual words said by Fox urging the people to go north and work illegaly. That should close it.

As I said, his agenda asks for opening the border to allow Mexicans to work llegaly in the USA, but not to migrate. Work only!!! Changing the current agreement of the TN visas is part of the agreement, in order to make it equal to the agreement for Canadians. He externed praise for the people already illegal and sending money, something a lot of people refused to accept. A good president is a president for all the citizens, even the ones forgotten by the system. But, from a prase to saying they are VITAL to the economy and encouraging people to work illegally in the USA ther is still a big gap.... Do you want to read his immigration agenda in Spanish?

Being supportive of the people that are ALREADY there doesn't mean encouraging the rest...... there is a big difference here, and why I insist it is not black and white, it has several shades of gray.

Regarding some other comments, I will try to address them in separate threads. But there is one that caught my attention:

"Showing the balance trade of the USA with Canada and Mexico shows that are both equally parasitic...."

cr4zymofo, you need more than just a lobotomy, you need a full brain transplant!

If a country trades with another and the first country has deficit, does it mean the second is a parasite? You have not even the slighliest clue of what trade means...... log off and read the very basics of economy

Now, if you really want to solve the problem, the answer is simple. It is not about border patrol, or denying benefits, or blaming a goverment. The real solution to stop the illegal flow of immigrants is to SEVERE punish the people who hire them knowing they are not llegaly allowed to work. If a place has no oportunities of work, people will forget it eventualy. Do you see it happening??? It won't unless companies get closed, permission revoked , huge fines places and maybe some vacations behind the steel bars..... The greed of the employers is too high if the punishment is not severe.... but if some of them spend a few months sharing a bedroom with Bubba, they will think it better. No work, no immigration. period Same case with abortion or drugs, it is not about the clinics or the drug dealers, it is about the screwed horny teenagers asking the pot or having sex without protection or responsability.

No matter how severe the pursuit of illegals is, if there is any hope to get a job they will keep risking their lives. No hope to get a job, then no worth the risk to cross...... Ah, and if you can , write your retarded president and demand that the immigration agenda asked by Mexico get priority, everyone will be better. If a legal flow of workers (workers, not immigrants) can cross the border many of the problems caused by the illegal immigration of people will decrease. The majority of the people that could be potential ilegal immigrants will choose to keep living here and being paid in green bills on the other side (several reasons here, but the ide of "bang for the buck" should suffice). It will also encourage people to do things legally. Add this proposal to the severe punishments of the people who hire illegals and it will give tangible results. No visa, no work

I am waiting also for the Fox encouraging everyone to jump illegaly to the other side. I want to see the source.

Stark my friend, you are a good person and have good intentions, but you need to be more critical of everything you read or listen. I insist that the less qualified reporters in a foreign country are the ones form the USA, as they are usually the ones that speak the foreign language the least (they expect everyone to speak English). If your primary target of work are people all fluent in english, that could be OK. But when researchs are conducted with people who belong to the bottom of the social pyramid, proefficiency in English is not an option, so you, as researcher MUST be very skilled in their language.

By the way, does anyone remember if the visas for seasonal workers are the H1-A or the H2??


Alex