13Gigatons
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Originally posted by: davestar
Originally posted by: Ausm
Originally posted by: dug777
The haters (and those who don't listen to them but hear that it's cool to bash metallica) will ruin the poll at any rate
At the end of the day it's a matter of personal opinion entirely tho, and therin lies the problem with this thread. I happen to enjoy at lot of what metallica play, and i'm no Iron Maiden fan. Some of you are the other way round it seems, and you're welcome to it
I am not bashing you bro! I listen Metallica too just trying to make you see the light
ugh, if you wanna start talking in terms of technical skill, Metallica, Maiden, and Priest all shouldn't even get a mention. but what's the point in that?
...Maiden and Priest suck
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At least Halford can sing and KK and Glen can play guitar with various styles. Hetfield just kinda screeches and kirk plays one note super fast.
filibusterman
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They've certainly made an impact on much of today's music but I wouldn't really call them the best. Personally, I prefer real metal bands like Pantera, In Flames, Moonspell, Dimmu Borgir, Amon Amarth, and Hammerfall over Metallica.
you've got a distorted memory of Number of the Beast. it peaked on the Billboard Pop charts at #33 and the Top 200 at #150. it took years for it to go platinum
Well...Nirvana didn't exactly invent grunge but they are regarded as the ones who put it on the map with Nevermind going diamond-certified. That is the point PaulNEPats is trying to make with Metallica's Kill 'Em All. It put thrash on the map.
Alternative Rock fans keep arguing the same thing over and over again. "There's more to grunge than Nirvana...Nirvana sucked...Mudhoney/Green River/Temple of the Dog/etc. was the real ******....blah blah blah..."
Long story short: everyone and their mother knows about Metallica (like they do Nirvana). So in some way, it can be argued that Metallica put Thrash-Metal on the map, if not actually invent it. One doesn't have to study roots n' history to agree with a widely-accepted sentiment that's echoed by millions of people, critics, magazines and websites.
RANT: I personally LOVE it when someone professes their love for a commercially-successful/mainstream artist/movie/video-game, only to have hardcore-purists try to show them down by quoting obscure artists/movies/games that few are familiar with, as the-real-******. Cry about how small-timers never got their break...then accuse them of being sell-outs once they start making millions. Fans can be so cruel sometimes.
AM I TROLLING HERE?: I'm glad there's no resounding support for Dream Theater. I heard the album 'Images and Words' and it felt like the musical equivalent of video-game tech-demos. Masterful and technically proficient...but boring, uninspired music.
Metallica certainly didn't start Thrash Metal or whatever genre you want to classify them as, but they did bring New Wave British Heavy Metal to the US and make it popular. Destruction, Kreator, Sodom? As someone stated before, not many people have even heard of the bands, much less their music. So you can be all "NO METALLICA DIDN'T, XXX AND YYYY DID" even though very few have heard of them, or you can go with the band the popularized and brought formal recognition to the (sub)genre. Each point of view is valid.
As far as actual merit, Metallica may not be the best technically, and James might not have the best vocals, but they are both well abled in both regards to stand out from the vast amount. Combine that with intensity and emotion and you have the reason why they were more successful than those before them. With band's like Opeth, I don't feel much emotion - it's just like they wrote down the musical equivalent of a math equation and it's there technically in a raw form, but not refined into something poetic. I can take limited doses before my mind goes numb. And even Metallica has elements of this, until...
Load and Reload. Everyone bashes these albums because they're not the Metallica of yesterday and the day before. Rather, they were willing to experiment. I think some of their most musical pieces can be found on those albums. The last half of Load is great stuff. Outlaw Torn, Ronnie, Wasting My Hate, and The Cure are great pieces and it sucks that people write them off because they're not the speed metal attacks Metallica is "supposed to write." Those songs, in and of themselves, are worthy of listening to.
Fame is a double-edged sword. You alienate the hardcore fanbase that was there with you in the beginning because all these new people suddenly like the same band. Pretty stupid sh1t if you ask me. If you liked the band, you should be happy that they've attained the recognition you saw in them from the beginning.
As far as actual merit, Metallica may not be the best technically, and James might not have the best vocals, but they are both well abled in both regards to stand out from the vast amount. Combine that with intensity and emotion and you have the reason why they were more successful than those before them. With band's like Opeth, I don't feel much emotion - it's just like they wrote down the musical equivalent of a math equation and it's there technically in a raw form, but not refined into something poetic. I can take limited doses before my mind goes numb. And even Metallica has elements of this, until...
Load and Reload. Everyone bashes these albums because they're not the Metallica of yesterday and the day before. Rather, they were willing to experiment. I think some of their most musical pieces can be found on those albums. The last half of Load is great stuff. Outlaw Torn, Ronnie, Wasting My Hate, and The Cure are great pieces and it sucks that people write them off because they're not the speed metal attacks Metallica is "supposed to write." Those songs, in and of themselves, are worthy of listening to.
Fame is a double-edged sword. You alienate the hardcore fanbase that was there with you in the beginning because all these new people suddenly like the same band. Pretty stupid sh1t if you ask me. If you liked the band, you should be happy that they've attained the recognition you saw in them from the beginning.
Sheik Yerbouti
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Not IMO, but I do like a lot of their material. I think it's obvious who I think is the greatest.
Starbuck1975
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Is Metallica the greatest metal band ever? Hard to say. But they did keep the metal torch burning bright, along with Pantera, as the decadence of 80s hair metal killed the metal scene, with the coffin nails ultimately slammed down by the rise of grunge.
Metallica is one of a few metal bands to enjoy crossover success. I know many Metallica fans want every album to sound like "Justice for All," but I actually respect the band for taking their music into different directions.
"Ride the Lightning" & "Justice for All" are perhaps two of the greatest metal albums of all time...but the black album, Load, ReLoad, St. Anger & Garage, Inc. show a band in transition, attempting to shift with the times.
If you look at any of the metal legends, very few have survived the attrition of time...either through self destructive behavior or losing touch with their core audience, many metal acts have simply withered away and died.
St. Anger is my least favorite Metallica album, yet if you watch the documentary "Some Kinds of Monster," you certainly gain an appreciation for how St. Anger was more a therapy session for the band then a commercial success...it reflects the raw, unfiltered and unproduced emotions of Metallica at the time of its recording.
Having gone through a chain of events that have killed lesser bands, I am interested in hearing their next effort.
And despite what anyone says, they are without a doubt one of the most intense bands to see live.
Metallica is one of a few metal bands to enjoy crossover success. I know many Metallica fans want every album to sound like "Justice for All," but I actually respect the band for taking their music into different directions.
"Ride the Lightning" & "Justice for All" are perhaps two of the greatest metal albums of all time...but the black album, Load, ReLoad, St. Anger & Garage, Inc. show a band in transition, attempting to shift with the times.
If you look at any of the metal legends, very few have survived the attrition of time...either through self destructive behavior or losing touch with their core audience, many metal acts have simply withered away and died.
St. Anger is my least favorite Metallica album, yet if you watch the documentary "Some Kinds of Monster," you certainly gain an appreciation for how St. Anger was more a therapy session for the band then a commercial success...it reflects the raw, unfiltered and unproduced emotions of Metallica at the time of its recording.
Having gone through a chain of events that have killed lesser bands, I am interested in hearing their next effort.
And despite what anyone says, they are without a doubt one of the most intense bands to see live.
Jethro Tull.
They went on to win a 1989 Grammy Award for Best Hard Rock/Metal Performance, beating odds-on favorites Metallica.
They went on to win a 1989 Grammy Award for Best Hard Rock/Metal Performance, beating odds-on favorites Metallica.
BurnItDwn
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Lemmy is a badass motherf#%ker. No no, Lemmy is a vocal god.
Ace of Spades and Orgasmatron and amazingly well written and well performed songs.
I have a great deal of respect for Motorhead.
That being said.
Nobody tops Opeth.
If Lemmy is a Vocal God, then Akerfeldt is just a pure metal demon.
Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
i just want to add that I think it was ELI who mentioned dream theater after someone made a long post about kirk hammet being taught by one of the greatest guitarists ever.. yea i agree, but John petrucci of dream theater is in the class of the guy who tought kirk hammett, not kirk hammett's class.. and while I dont like James labrie's singing too much, those who say "master of puppets is the greatest ever" might enjoy dream theater's almost note for note and emotion for emotion full cd cover on their day off of Master of Puppetts..... Metallica definately fueled a fire (shizzle, i listened to them constantly growing up) but bands like dream theater, opeth, pain of salvation, etc, are so much greater of talent, etc. that there is no logical argument between them...
and yes, if you listen to DT's version of master of puppets, its hard to tell that its not kirk...
oh and some jack off earlier stated that And Justice for all was crap or something to that effect...
yes, dream theater has talented musicians, but their vocalist is awful (just because you have the ability to hit certain notes doesn't mean you should actually do it) and their lyrics are amazingly bad (see the entire Octavarium album for 70 minutes of cliches)
Reviving a somewhat old thread...
I'm surprised that no one mentioned Megadeth. Mustaine had a good bit to do with Metallica's early thrash sound. Although I do like early Metallica, I have to say that I like Megadeth better... especially Rust In Peace (Holy Wars begs to be in Guitar Hero 2!). Not to mention their latest album, The System Has Failed, is much superior to St. Anger, IMHO.
I'm surprised that no one mentioned Megadeth. Mustaine had a good bit to do with Metallica's early thrash sound. Although I do like early Metallica, I have to say that I like Megadeth better... especially Rust In Peace (Holy Wars begs to be in Guitar Hero 2!). Not to mention their latest album, The System Has Failed, is much superior to St. Anger, IMHO.
HamburgerBoy
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Meh, after RIP the only two albums worth listening to period were Youthanasia and Hidden Treasures... and Youth is just average. I do agree that RIP kicks total ass though.
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