Is Kabini 3850 enough for web surfing and media?

[Erenhardt]

Celeron G1840 provides more than enough graphics performance for The Sims 3 (heck, even Bay Trail can play it fine) and better CPU performance for the non-gaming tasks. It also provides much more interesting upgrade paths in the future. Having better CPU performance would help pushing a discrete GPU, you could also upgrade to a quad-core Core i5 / i7 if you ever need to do some real work. Some people take this kind of discussion too personally, IMHO you made the right choice.

Yep. Receiving e-mails is a hard task that require a special equipment and a lot of resources. 4C/8T i7 is minimum with a suggestion towards 6C/12T i7. I would go as far as recommending double socket motherboard, just in case there is a skype call when the e-mails are downloading.


This thread is full of FUD is not even funny. AMD HTPC SOC designed just with OPs tasks in mind is being dismissed - that and more only on ATforums.

Assuming the monitor is high quality enough to reproduce the difference.

Really, I'm not lying. I still can't notice any significant difference switching between the two. Maybe its just me.

Would love to have all this conversation in one post so I can have it in my sig You know that changes the videocards Bettlefield (pun intended) quite dramatically.

 

[sm625]

Once you experience the speed of a G3258 at 4.5GHz, then no, kabini/atom will not cut it. Even when I downclock my haswell to 2.1GHz, it becomes noticeably slower, with annoying stutters that arent there at all when running at the max clock speed. And a 2.1GHz haswell is like a 3+ GHz kabini...

 

[Abwx]

Celeron G1840 provides more than enough graphics performance for The Sims 3 (heck, even Bay Trail can play it fine) and better CPU performance for the non-gaming tasks.

So "good enough" can only apply to the gpu part, including the one of bay trail..?.

But if its GPU is good enough it s that his CPU is not a problem at all, isnt it.?.

Doesnt the "good enough" cpncept apply to the CPUs , or is it a variable geometry concept.?

Once you experience the speed of a G3258 at 4.5GHz, then no, kabini/atom will not cut it. Even when I downclock my haswell to 2.1GHz, it becomes noticeably slower, with annoying stutters that arent there at all when running at the max clock speed. And a 2.1GHz haswell is like a 3+ GHz kabini...

Even at 10GHz it wont compensate if a HDD is used instead of a SSD.

 

[positivedoppler]

To help answer the original question.
I'm running a Intel i5-3437U right now and websurfing is sluggish and slow as hell. I'm home laptop is a 4 years old 2.1 Ghz three core AMD Phenom and it runs much smoother. Both laptop uses 4 GB of ram. I use my home laptop for Netflix, facebook, youtube, and skype all the time. Once I downloaded an addon on firefox on my i5 to disable Ads and flash it runs muuuuuuch smoother like my home laptop. For every day use, I don't notice any difference between the two laptops.

My point is there is so much garbage ADs and flash banner out there on the internet(especially any yahoo sites) it's painful for any computer unless you disable them. Some of the flash blocking program though I found out actually slows down my web surfing experience. Example, I found out both laptops actually respond much better with NoScript disabled.

One more point. I assume you're going to be their tech support too. In my history of looking at various people's home computer who think they need a new computer because their old one is running slow is the garbage on their computer. Toolbars, free adware games, etc etc...It's amazing how fairly intelligent folks falls for those "you won an iPad" I recently cleared out an old ancient Intel Core Duo PC for a friend and she was convinced she needed a new desktop. After removing all the junk programs she downloaded over the years and removing the toolbars, her computer ran like new and I showed her youtube, facebook, and netflix ran like a champ. My point here is that educating the human factor far out weights whatever excessive hardware upgrade you can use to mask the human mistakes.

 

[Sweepr]

Yep. Receiving e-mails is a hard task that require a special equipment and a lot of resources. 4C/8T i7 is minimum with a suggestion towards 6C/12T i7. I would go as far as recommending double socket motherboard, just in case there is a skype call when the e-mails are downloading. This thread is full of FUD is not even funny. AMD HTPC SOC designed just with OPs tasks in mind is being dismissed - that and more only on ATforums.

Let's read the OP again:

Hello,
I have to buy a new desktop PC for my uncle that uses the PC mainly for surfing, YouTube and MS office. Sometimes his daughter plays The Sims 3.
He wants to spend the least possible.

I'm sure his daughter will be more than happy with Haswell GT1's graphics performance at a very light game like The Sims 3 (after all it's very similar to the ''highly recommended'' Kabini), and her dad got the faster CPU on a platform with better upgrade options in the future. Win win, huh? Hint: Your favourite brand is not always the best option. Meanwhile, cut the flame posts.

 

[Abwx]

Let's read the OP again:

I'm sure his daughter will be more than happy with Haswell GT1's graphics performance at a very light game like The Sims 3 (after all it's very similar to the ''highly recommended'' Kabini), and her dad got the faster CPU on a platform with better upgrade options in the future. Win win, huh? Hint: Your favourite brand is not always the best option. Meanwhile, cut the flame posts.

Kabini not good enough, i could respect the opinion but on another thread you are promoting desktop Bay trails, why dont you advise everybody in said thread to forget about thoses solutions and take a Kabini since it s better for about everything..?.

I thought that your favourite brand is not always the better for a given usage, isnt it...:biggrin:

 

[frozentundra123456]

Celeron G1840 provides more than enough graphics performance for The Sims 3 (heck, even Bay Trail can play it fine) and better CPU performance for the non-gaming tasks. It also provides much more interesting upgrade paths in the future. Having better CPU performance would help pushing a discrete GPU, you could also upgrade to a quad-core Core i5 / i7 if you ever need to do some real work. Some people take this kind of discussion too personally, IMHO you made the right choice.

I totally agree.

 

[positivedoppler]

Forget Kabini, specially for Sims 3. Its simply too demanding. Even Skype would put the Kabini to its knees.

Get a Haswell based Celeron/Pentium and get much faster CPU and even GPU.

Ok Shinkai, you are a really intelligent guy but the skype past is nonsense and you know it. I downclock my ancient three core phenom to 800mhz and didnt have a problem. I can run skype on my generic single arm core $100 cellphone without a problem. I extremely doubt skype will bring kabini to its kner

 

[Justinbaileyman]

Yep. Receiving e-mails is a hard task that require a special equipment and a lot of resources. 4C/8T i7 is minimum with a suggestion towards 6C/12T i7. I would go as far as recommending double socket motherboard, just in case there is a skype call when the e-mails are downloading.


This thread is full of FUD is not even funny. AMD HTPC SOC designed just with OPs tasks in mind is being dismissed - that and more only on ATforums.




Would love to have all this conversation in one post so I can have it in my sig You know that changes the videocards Bettlefield (pun intended) quite dramatically.

Yep I totally agree with you 100% the OP asked for the cheapest AMD solution and in come the Intel sales team trying to push the i5-i7's. This happens in every thread now and just makes me sick.For christ's sake people a 5150 -5350 is all thats needed for email,surfing the web,playing minimal games, and Skype!! My damn 4 year old netbook does all this so I am sure newer tech cheapie combo will do it better. Remember the Op only wanted to spend $60-100 for CPU/Mobo Combo MAX.To the OP I have a 5350/MSI combo I got from newegg for $89.00 shipped and I am able to play all new games perfectly on low setting on 1080p or lower to medium settings on 720p. I can skype,check emails,Rip and encode DvD's/Blu-rays,you name it can do it. also remember 5150 and 5350 are both quad core so you are able to multitask and run most those programs all at once.
I normally run virus scans in the back ground while listening to CD's or MP3's and surf the web all while ripping my dvd's to hard drive.all day every day.. If you have a chance still I would pass on those dual core intel cpu's they use more Electric when under load and are only dual core which will bog down your whole system when running a virus scan and any other program and get what you want not what others are pushing on you.
Just trying to help..

 

[ShintaiDK]

Ok Shinkai, you are a really intelligent guy but the skype past is nonsense and you know it. I downclock my ancient three core phenom to 800mhz and didnt have a problem. I can run skype on my generic single arm core $100 cellphone without a problem. I extremely doubt skype will bring kabini to its kner

I thought it was already explained in the thread:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36644770&postcount=31

 

[ShintaiDK]

*trying to push the i5-i7's*

Where did you see i5 and i7s? Did they rename the G1840 or G1850?

 

[positivedoppler]

I thought it was already explained in the thread:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36644770&postcount=31

"Trying to listen to internet radio in Flash Player, in a video call on Skype, and browsing the web"

He's not talking about skype alone. He is talking about several programs potentially pushing 3+ thread. Depending on what nonsense yahoo decides to load onto some of their pages, on certain days my 4 thread i5 is slow as a slug thanks to whatever random script they have running in the back.

[The OP seems like he just want a basic internet machine for his uncle and he wants it as cheap as possible. With some helpful hits and training on how to keep his computer clean of garbage, probably any new to even 7 year old computer can do the job. I think most none savy users just need some guidance on how to keep their computer garbage free not a more powerful multithreaded computer to mask all the garbage they might have downloaded along the way.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

Where did you see i5 and i7s? Did they rename the G1840 or G1850?

Starting on post 18 3rd page starting in with the i5-i7 crap and your one of them. I guess you work for INTEL or something.. Open your eyes and read through the posts instead of insulting me.Its not just on this thread either its like in every thread where some one mentions anything about AMD there has got to be like 20 people that have to bring up the Oh well why not buy Intel this Or Intel that its only XXX amount more.. People buy what they can afford which 9 times out of 10 is AMD cause they are cheaper. I am not here to say who is better I am here to help the OP find the cheapest solution that will do the operations he is requesting at the price he is able to afford. His max limmit for everything was like $180 so why suggest a CPU thats around that price when he still has to buy a mobo, ram, case, and HDD or SSD's??
I just dont find the logic in the way most of you people think. Its like you all have been brain washed and have become mindless drones over branding.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Starting on post 18 3rd page starting in with the i5-i7 crap and your one of them. I guess you work for INTEL or something.. Open your eyes and read through the posts instead of insulting me.Its not just on this thread either its like in every thread where some one mentions anything about AMD there has got to be like 20 people that have to bring up the Oh well why not buy Intel this Or Intel that its only XXX amount more.. People buy what they can afford which 9 times out of 10 is AMD cause they are cheaper. I am not here to say who is better I am here to help the OP find the cheapest solution that will do the operations he is requesting at the price he is able to afford. His max limmit for everything was like $180 so why suggest a CPU thats around that price when he still has to buy a mobo, ram, case, and HDD or SSD's??
I just dont find the logic in the way most of you people think. Its like you all have been brain washed and have become mindless drones over branding.

Could you link the post where I am supposed to start the "i5-i7 crap" and recommend him one?

 

[-sandro-]

OK guys first of all I noticed "the Intel mania" since the first answers but I never gave it for granted, I wanted to understand why and if the Kabini was actually slower. I did my research and asked for benchmarks. I was limited to a local Italian web store, the Haswell system costed only €5 more than Kabini 5150 while 5350 costed more than Haswell. Considering Kabini is beaten by G1840 in every single benchmark (graphics included) I don't think I made the wrong choice nor that I have been brainwashed!
I understand Kabini is enough for basic tasks BUT the price was actually on par, so why get something worse if I can get more? My uncle didn't care about power usage that much so...
Are you still convinced I should have gone with Kabini?

 

[Gikaseixas]

Some people have forum for budget APUs - Microcenter have free A6-6400K with Gigabyte GA-F2A55M total $50!

http://www.microcenter.com/product/403601/GA-F2A55M-HD2_Socket_FM2_A55_mATX_AMD_Motherboard

Now include $10 rebate so total price now $40 with free A6-6400K!!

This came too late as the OP's uncle already bought it

He bought the G1840 Is the A6-6400K better in graphics and performance?

That A6-6400K and Mobo for $50 would have served your uncle better

I didn't know A4-4000 could be better.

 

[Gikaseixas]

€5

Never mind my previous post as you're in Europe

 

[Sweepr]

OK guys first of all I noticed "the Intel mania" since the first answers but I never gave it for granted, I wanted to understand why and if the Kabini was actually slower. I did my research and asked for benchmarks. I was limited to a local Italian web store, the Haswell system costed only €5 more than Kabini 5150 while 5350 costed more than Haswell. Considering Kabini is beaten by G1840 in every single benchmark (graphics included) I don't think I made the wrong choice nor that I have been brainwashed!
I understand Kabini is enough for basic tasks BUT the price was actually on par, so why get something worse if I can get more? My uncle didn't care about power usage that much so...
Are still convinced I should have gone with Kabini?

Feel free to browse the benchmarks in case there's still any doubt: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2377574

About the Intel ''mania'', looking at the number of people completely bothered by the fact that you picked a Haswell chip with better CPU performance for a negligible price difference I'd say it's the other way around.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

OK guys first of all I noticed "the Intel mania" since the first answers but I never gave it for granted, I wanted to understand why and if the Kabini was actually slower. I did my research and asked for benchmarks. I was limited to a local Italian web store, the Haswell system costed only €5 more than Kabini 5150 while 5350 costed more than Haswell. Considering Kabini is beaten by G1840 in every single benchmark (graphics included) I don't think I made the wrong choice nor that I have been brainwashed!
I understand Kabini is enough for basic tasks BUT the price was actually on par, so why get something worse if I can get more? My uncle didn't care about power usage that much so...
Are still convinced I should have gone with Kabini?

Well great I am glad you found something suited to your needs for such a great price. Thats all that matters here!! :thumbsup:

 

[-sandro-]

I believe one should choose Kabini if the price is significantly lower (like the $40 combo) and/or power usage is a concern.

 

[Abwx]

About the Intel ''mania'', looking at the number of people completely bothered by the fact that you picked a Haswell chip with better CPU performance for a negligible price difference I'd say it's the other way around.

The mania, as i told you, is to advise other DTs that are Bay trail based and wich are largely inferior to a Kabini DT, so in short a Haswell can be better than a Kabini in a Kabini thread, wich is defensible of course, but on another hand it s no more relevant when compared with a DT BT in BT thread, otherwise you wouldnt advertise those latters.

Stay on topic and leave your personal issues at the door
-ViRGE

 

[-sandro-]

This came too late as the OP's uncle already bought it



That A6-6400K and Mobo for $50 would have served your uncle better

Seems like Haswell is faster anyway http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/21...K_vs_Intel_Celeron_Dual-Core_G1830.html#bench

 

[Enigmoid]

Would love to have all this conversation in one post so I can have it in my sig You know that changes the videocards Bettlefield (pun intended) quite dramatically.

Laugh all you want. The mantle differences are obvious but these are so subtle that they are unnoticeable.

As for colour shifts, Options are available in the driver settings to change contrast and gamma, etc. I have never noticed a difference on my notebook between igp (HD 4000) and the nvidia card switching between graphics.

Either way, is the average user going to notice or care? No.

 

[PG]

Some people have forum for budget APUs - Microcenter have free A6-6400K with Gigabyte GA-F2A55M total $50!

http://www.microcenter.com/product/403601/GA-F2A55M-HD2_Socket_FM2_A55_mATX_AMD_Motherboard

Now include $10 rebate so total price now $40 with free A6-6400K!!

Huh? The A6-6400k + that motherboard is $64.99 AFTER $10 rebate. It's $74.98 + tax first.

http://www.microcenter.com/site/products/amd_bundles.aspx

That's the bundle link. What are you looking at?

 

[Gikaseixas]

Seems like Haswell is faster anyway http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/21...K_vs_Intel_Celeron_Dual-Core_G1830.html#bench

CPU side yes, Haswell is awesome
GPU not so simple. If you fire a few actual games and compare I believe the APU wins