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It's unrealistic to expect to not pay any taxes but expect any government services whatsoever (police, roads, military, etc).
 
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
It's unrealistic to expect to not pay any taxes but expect any government services whatsoever (police, roads, military, etc).
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At the same time though, people shouldn't be expected to be over-burdened by not just taxes but by tax compliance, government spending, and government interference.
 
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
It's unrealistic to expect to not pay any taxes but expect any government services whatsoever (police, roads, military, etc).
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Not this. See: Washington, Nevada, Alaska, Wyoming, South Dakota, Texas, Florida, Tennessee, and New Hampshire
 
Originally posted by: sactoking
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
It's unrealistic to expect to not pay any taxes but expect any government services whatsoever (police, roads, military, etc).
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Not this. See: Washington, Nevada, Alaska, Wyoming, South Dakota, Texas, Florida, Tennessee, and New Hampshire
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Oh, sweet, I can move to those states and not pay any taxes?!?

No state income tax != no taxes, smart guy 😉
 
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: sactoking
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
It's unrealistic to expect to not pay any taxes but expect any government services whatsoever (police, roads, military, etc).
Click to expand...

Not this. See: Washington, Nevada, Alaska, Wyoming, South Dakota, Texas, Florida, Tennessee, and New Hampshire
Click to expand...

Oh, sweet, I can move to those states and not pay any taxes?!?

No state income tax != no taxes, smart guy 😉
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And Texas makes up for it with an 8.25% sales tax.
 
Considering this discussion is coming on FEDERAL TAX DAY, I thought it pretty safe to assume that the discussion was about income taxes, as I can't watch the video at work.
 
Originally posted by: ggnl
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: sactoking
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
It's unrealistic to expect to not pay any taxes but expect any government services whatsoever (police, roads, military, etc).
Click to expand...

Not this. See: Washington, Nevada, Alaska, Wyoming, South Dakota, Texas, Florida, Tennessee, and New Hampshire
Click to expand...

Oh, sweet, I can move to those states and not pay any taxes?!?

No state income tax != no taxes, smart guy 😉
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And Texas makes up for it with an 8.25% sales tax.
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Chicago has the tax rate aprox over 10% EVEN though we have state income tax. However, most of the 10% goes to the corrupt political machine.
 
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
It's unrealistic to expect to not pay any taxes but expect any government services whatsoever (police, roads, military, etc).
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At the same time though, people shouldn't be expected to be over-burdened by not just taxes but by tax compliance, government spending, and government interference.
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What about all the double taxing also?

We all pay income tax, social security tax, medicare tax, then we get taxed when you buy nearly everything.

When you factor in all points of taxes everyone is paying a lot higher of a % in taxes than it seems on paper when looking at just income tax.

Where does it end?

Where is to much and where is to little?

Those are the things it seems (to me) most have issue with.

I don't personally know anyone that thinks there should be no tax, just more specific taxes that cover things like police, roads, military, etc.
 
Originally posted by: ggnl

And Texas makes up for it with an 8.25% sales tax.
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Texas' state sales tax is 6.25%. That's lower than California, Illinois, Minnesota, North Carolina, Rhode Island, Indiana, Mississippi, Nevada, New Jersey, and Washington. That's right in line with at least 11 other states.

Of the 50 states, 21 have sales tax rates on par or worse than Texas, and 19 of them impose an additional income tax.
 
Originally posted by: sactoking
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
It's unrealistic to expect to not pay any taxes but expect any government services whatsoever (police, roads, military, etc).
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Not this. See: Washington, Nevada, Alaska, Wyoming, South Dakota, Texas, Florida, Tennessee, and New Hampshire
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Yup, where you have the privileged of paying ridiculously high property taxes instead.
 
Originally posted by: sactoking
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
It's unrealistic to expect to not pay any taxes but expect any government services whatsoever (police, roads, military, etc).
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Not this. See: Washington, Nevada, Alaska, Wyoming, South Dakota, Texas, Florida, Tennessee, and New Hampshire
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I live in Tennessee, we pay taxes. It just comes in the form of a sales tax rather than an income tax.

And few people are against paying taxes. I for one like having nice roads and an impressive military. Its a matter of being on an overall spending orgy which we have been experiencing.
 
Originally posted by: lokiju
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
It's unrealistic to expect to not pay any taxes but expect any government services whatsoever (police, roads, military, etc).
Click to expand...

At the same time though, people shouldn't be expected to be over-burdened by not just taxes but by tax compliance, government spending, and government interference.
Click to expand...

What about all the double taxing also?

We all pay income tax, social security tax, medicare tax, then we get taxed when you buy nearly everything.

When you factor in all points of taxes everyone is paying a lot higher of a % in taxes than it seems on paper when looking at just income tax.

Where does it end?

Where is to much and where is to little?

Those are the things it seems (to me) most have issue with.

I don't personally know anyone that thinks there should be no tax, just more specific taxes that cover things like police, roads, military, etc.
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Yep. The current tax code is a byzantine maze of 700,000+ pages or rules, regulations, exemptions, exceptions and growing fast. How can we, as Americans, be expected to keep up? We can't. We end up losing billions of hours of productivity and billions of dollars simply to tax compliance.

Let's not even get into how politicians use the tax code for social engineering purposes, or as payoffs to contributors, or as a way to consolidate their power. Or how much of our tax money is lost because of corruption, waste, and incompetence. And yet all the government beast ever wants is more, more, more, more.

Oh, and if you think taxes won't be going up...guess again. How do you think we are going to pay off this Massive Deficit Spending Orgy that is projected out for the next 10 years.
 
Originally posted by: sactoking
Originally posted by: ggnl

And Texas makes up for it with an 8.25% sales tax.
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Texas' state sales tax is 6.25%. That's lower than California, Illinois, Minnesota, North Carolina, Rhode Island, Indiana, Mississippi, Nevada, New Jersey, and Washington. That's right in line with at least 11 other states.

Of the 50 states, 21 have sales tax rates on par or worse than Texas, and 19 of them impose an additional income tax.
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You are forgetting property taxes. Texan property taxes are pretty high.
 
Originally posted by: BeauJangles
Yup, where you have the privileged of paying ridiculously high property taxes instead.
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Washington: 11/21
Nevada: 23/43
Alaska: 12/17
Wyoming: 41/41
South Dakota: 25/11
Texas: 15/2
Florida: 22/28
Tennessee: 40/33
New Hampshire: 2/5

With: rank in absolute dollars/rank in dollars relative to house value

Average Rank: 21.3/22.3

Edited to add: The lower the number, the higher the tax.

So, the income tax-free states are slightly below average, on average.
 
He's an idiot, no one is making $50k in the stock market and getting taxexd at 15%. If they are making money right now they are paying capital gains.
 
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