Amen.
Oh and Viper, even Democrats donate organs (and don't respect those who don't). Just check my licence.
IAteYourMother
Lifer
- Nov 3, 2004
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OP, if the hospitals are selling the organs and blood, why don't they go to the highest bidder rather than who will get the greatest benefit? That is the fatal flaw in your argument. The hospitals are not charging for the organ, but the installation cost. Considering what the patient gets, vital organs are extraordinarlily under priced. I imagine if these things went to the highest bidders, certain organs would sell for millions upon millions of dollars.
All of you doctor type people/defenders are over-reacting.
This guy is a bit off in that Doctors make money doing something beneficial to society (saving lives). While other people who make money do things like defend criminals, or write software that will make the company morem oney, etc....
Doctors definitely help society much more than your typical job.
That being said, the OP is a moron because he doesn't realize something.... Sure, lets start paying people's families for organs after they are dead... lets start paying people $300 per pint of blood.
Blood that hospitals used to charge 500 for, is now 800, organ transplants that used to cost $10k now cost $40k because they had to pay $30k for that heart....
You are spouting off about how they are charging for things they get for free, when what they are actually charging for is the transport,care, and installation for what they get for free.
I buy a TV and stereo system for $3k... then I pay $200 to get it installed.
I need an organ transplant, and to buy it would cost $30k, but the installation fee is $10k.
So your options are, $40k for an organ transplant, and you can start selling your blood/organs, or $10k for an organ transplant, and we stick to the donation method...
This guy is a bit off in that Doctors make money doing something beneficial to society (saving lives). While other people who make money do things like defend criminals, or write software that will make the company morem oney, etc....
Doctors definitely help society much more than your typical job.
That being said, the OP is a moron because he doesn't realize something.... Sure, lets start paying people's families for organs after they are dead... lets start paying people $300 per pint of blood.
Blood that hospitals used to charge 500 for, is now 800, organ transplants that used to cost $10k now cost $40k because they had to pay $30k for that heart....
You are spouting off about how they are charging for things they get for free, when what they are actually charging for is the transport,care, and installation for what they get for free.
I buy a TV and stereo system for $3k... then I pay $200 to get it installed.
I need an organ transplant, and to buy it would cost $30k, but the installation fee is $10k.
So your options are, $40k for an organ transplant, and you can start selling your blood/organs, or $10k for an organ transplant, and we stick to the donation method...
I don't want my family get paid for my blood after I die. There's no point to that. I'd rather prefer to sell the rights to my organs and blood after I die for cash money now.
Problem is, there is proabably a 99% chance that your organs would not be able to be harvested (depends on how you die).
They do sell it to the highest bidder. The highest bidders are the ones with insurance. If a poor person needs an organ but can get by for a few months, he'll get discharged with a clean bill of health to make room for people with money. Yes it may be cruel or unfair, but that's business. I don't want to be the one getting ripped off here.
Originally posted by: Pepsei
i can't give blood because i have antigens to hep b and tb. cool eh?
Do you have Hep B and TB. Hep B and TB terrible diseases.
When someone is on top of the list, and a matching organ shows up, they get it. On the other hand, if the situation you describe is true, why don't hospitals let billionaires pay their billion dollars to get that heart? If Bill Gates needed a new heart, he'd be willing to give his entire fortune (~ $50 billion these days) for it, but that isn't how it works.
I ask you again, where are the super rich paying millions upon millions of dollars for an organ? They aren't there.
/thread
I would like point out in many many states like California it is illegal to sell human fluids such as blood and organs. So no hospitals don't take donated blood and sell it. Only a retarded person could think they do this. Also most Hospitals are non profit.
When the OP grows up and has a child and GOD forbid the child has kidney failure, lets see if he changes his tune. When his doctor tells him well we can save your son from dialysis if you donate a kidney however it will cost your insurance $200,000+
Fck the money who cares if you donate your organs and you help save literally dozens of lives (YES they can literally save or help dozens of people with just one body harvest) Then it is all worth it.
This thread makes me chronically ill, oh wait I already am.
Fck the money who cares if you donate your organs and you help save literally dozens of lives (YES they can literally save or help dozens of people with just one body harvest) Then it is all worth it.
This thread makes me chronically ill, oh wait I already am.
1. It is your right to not donate if you don't want to.
2. Blood VOLUME might be replenished in a day, but blood CELLS take time to grow, which is why he won't be able to sell plasma for three months after donating blood. This represents roughly $480 in lost revenue over that period, so IMHO blood collectors should pay people a minimum of $480 for the blood. Anything short of that would result in a significant financial loss. I am not in a financial position where I could reasonably take that $1,820 per year loss right now, and neither are most Americans. Thus, I will not be distributing my blood until they pay a reasonable amount for it, and I don't see why anyone else would. I would be happy to contribute blood if I were paid its fair market value.
3. If collectors actually paid for blood, I doubt there would be any shortages. Shortfalls are caused by the restriction of the free market in not allowing contributors to be paid for their blood. If capitalism were allowed to work without interference in this instance, the supply would be constant.
4. If a "doctor" is posting here, it seems rather unprofessional to say "This is just stupid. One of the most retarded things i've ever heard. " Would you talk to a patient like that? If you're going to bother replying, why not do a point by point refutation of his argument rather than just namecalling? Is it stupid because blood is individually wrapped and not stored in tanks? Is it stupid because whether a donor had insurance or not has no bearing on where the blood is distributed? If that namecalling had hurt his feelings, would it be construed as a violation of the hippocratic oath (or does that only apply while you're "on the clock"?) IMHO it is the responsibility of those with a higher education to provide a higher level of discourse then you might expect from, say, a sixth grader. It is especially the responsibility of M.D.'s and D.V.M.'s to attempt to educate people who may have misconceptions about health care issues. While I understand that it is typically impossible to teach anything to someone who knows everything, you didn't even try. If he's so wrong, why not link to a website debunking his misconceptions?
5. "Never argue with an idiot. First they drag you down to their level, then they beat you with experience."
6. OP, why not make a poll?
7. DeathBUA: My guess is that the way to deal with that patient is to check blood glucose levels and patient history for the possibility of diabetic ketoacidosis, prolonged starvation, or excessive dietary protein, then refer them to a nephrologist to treat their renal disease. This patient didn't just run a marathon, did they?
2. Blood VOLUME might be replenished in a day, but blood CELLS take time to grow, which is why he won't be able to sell plasma for three months after donating blood. This represents roughly $480 in lost revenue over that period, so IMHO blood collectors should pay people a minimum of $480 for the blood. Anything short of that would result in a significant financial loss. I am not in a financial position where I could reasonably take that $1,820 per year loss right now, and neither are most Americans. Thus, I will not be distributing my blood until they pay a reasonable amount for it, and I don't see why anyone else would. I would be happy to contribute blood if I were paid its fair market value.
3. If collectors actually paid for blood, I doubt there would be any shortages. Shortfalls are caused by the restriction of the free market in not allowing contributors to be paid for their blood. If capitalism were allowed to work without interference in this instance, the supply would be constant.
4. If a "doctor" is posting here, it seems rather unprofessional to say "This is just stupid. One of the most retarded things i've ever heard. " Would you talk to a patient like that? If you're going to bother replying, why not do a point by point refutation of his argument rather than just namecalling? Is it stupid because blood is individually wrapped and not stored in tanks? Is it stupid because whether a donor had insurance or not has no bearing on where the blood is distributed? If that namecalling had hurt his feelings, would it be construed as a violation of the hippocratic oath (or does that only apply while you're "on the clock"?) IMHO it is the responsibility of those with a higher education to provide a higher level of discourse then you might expect from, say, a sixth grader. It is especially the responsibility of M.D.'s and D.V.M.'s to attempt to educate people who may have misconceptions about health care issues. While I understand that it is typically impossible to teach anything to someone who knows everything, you didn't even try. If he's so wrong, why not link to a website debunking his misconceptions?
5. "Never argue with an idiot. First they drag you down to their level, then they beat you with experience."
6. OP, why not make a poll?
7. DeathBUA: My guess is that the way to deal with that patient is to check blood glucose levels and patient history for the possibility of diabetic ketoacidosis, prolonged starvation, or excessive dietary protein, then refer them to a nephrologist to treat their renal disease. This patient didn't just run a marathon, did they?
WOW Blood doesn't have a value. Blood isn't something that hospitals sell. They sell service not the blood.
quakefiend420
Lifer
- Aug 26, 2004
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OP, you're completely clueless...
as someone else said earlier, if you ever need a blood transfusion or an organ transplant, they should just let you rot
<---organ doner
as someone else said earlier, if you ever need a blood transfusion or an organ transplant, they should just let you rot
<---organ doner
Siddhartha
Lifer
- Oct 17, 1999
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LOL
I do not know if you are being seroius but your posts in this thread are the funninest I have read in a long time.
Thanks for the laughs!
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