Is it wrong that I don't want to donate blood or organs?

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: WyteWatt

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
In spite of the fact that my insurance company paid $16K for my cornea transplant I am forever indebted to the person who donated it.

Hospitals have every right to charge for their services, but there are some things they can't make from scratch. Organ donations change people's lives, if you're not going to need them anymore why wouldn't you donate them?

Viper GTS

I'm not going to give them away because the hospital just resells them. I'll take my organs to the grave. I'd be willing to sell the rights to my orgrans to any hospital that's will to bid a respectable sum. There is absolutely no reason to give away my organs when doctors and hospitals are raking in all that cash. Maybe if they worked for free I wouldn't have a problem.

Dude I hope you get banned for this kinda stuff. It's mandatory to test ALL blood and blood products, they dont sort blood for minorities, trust me, I work in an inner city hospital. We treat people no matter their condition, and no most hospitals dont rake in the cash unless they are in a suburban area or in a place with high levels of insured clients/patients. If hospitals are so evil and horrible, then why did we admit a homeless confused John Doe patient with hypertension with no money family or anything just so we could treat his blood pressure for a night or two and give him 3 squares a day and a warm bed.

Fvck off troll, take your organs and blood to the grave I'll proudly donate my blood and offer my organs if it ever comes to that.

 

[Midlander]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: WyteWatt

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
In spite of the fact that my insurance company paid $16K for my cornea transplant I am forever indebted to the person who donated it.

Hospitals have every right to charge for their services, but there are some things they can't make from scratch. Organ donations change people's lives, if you're not going to need them anymore why wouldn't you donate them?

Viper GTS

I'm not going to give them away because the hospital just resells them. I'll take my organs to the grave. I'd be willing to sell the rights to my orgrans to any hospital that's will to bid a respectable sum. There is absolutely no reason to give away my organs when doctors and hospitals are raking in all that cash. Maybe if they worked for free I wouldn't have a problem.

Dude I hope you get banned for this kinda stuff. It's mandatory to test ALL blood and blood products, they dont sort blood for minorities, trust me, I work in an inner city hospital. We treat people no matter their condition, and no most hospitals dont rake in the cash unless they are in a suburban area or in a place with high levels of insured clients/patients. If hospitals are so evil and horrible, then why did we admit a homeless confused John Doe patient with hypertension with no money family or anything just so we could treat his blood pressure for a night or two and give him 3 squares a day and a warm bed.

Fvck off troll, take your organs and blood to the grave I'll proudly donate my blood and offer my organs if it ever comes to that.

:thumbsup:

 

[WyteWatt]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: WyteWatt

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
In spite of the fact that my insurance company paid $16K for my cornea transplant I am forever indebted to the person who donated it.

Hospitals have every right to charge for their services, but there are some things they can't make from scratch. Organ donations change people's lives, if you're not going to need them anymore why wouldn't you donate them?

Viper GTS

I'm not going to give them away because the hospital just resells them. I'll take my organs to the grave. I'd be willing to sell the rights to my orgrans to any hospital that's will to bid a respectable sum. There is absolutely no reason to give away my organs when doctors and hospitals are raking in all that cash. Maybe if they worked for free I wouldn't have a problem.

The hospital is not selling the organs, they are selling the services associated with installing them.

Take me for example, I had a cornea transplant 4 months ago. They cut off the front of my eye, & stitched in a new cornea. The final product looked like this:

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/ViperGTS/cornea6weeks.jpg

Now what do you think it cost to do that?

The cornea had to be harvested, transported, tested, and stored until it was time for my operation.

The doctor had YEARS of schooling to be able to pull something like that off (and do such a beautiful job of stitching it in).

There were also dozens of support staff involved, everywhere from the janitor who swept the floor the night before to the receptionist to the people who wheeled me into the operating room.

Yes, the operation cost a sh!tload of money. $16K for 45 minutes of time in the OR.

Worth every frickin' penny, & it was all made possible by someone who recognized the value in donating their organs.

Viper GTS

I think it's great that you can see and that you obviously got your money's worth for the operation. That said, a lot of their business is based on all the free goods they get from organ donors. If there weren't any organ donors, they wouldn't make as much money. I just want to get fair compensation for my goods.

Originally posted by: SLU MD

Originally posted by: WyteWatt

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
In spite of the fact that my insurance company paid $16K for my cornea transplant I am forever indebted to the person who donated it.

Hospitals have every right to charge for their services, but there are some things they can't make from scratch. Organ donations change people's lives, if you're not going to need them anymore why wouldn't you donate them?

Viper GTS

I'm not going to give them away because the hospital just resells them. I'll take my organs to the grave. I'd be willing to sell the rights to my orgrans to any hospital that's will to bid a respectable sum. There is absolutely no reason to give away my organs when doctors and hospitals are raking in all that cash. Maybe if they worked for free I wouldn't have a problem.

If us doctors worked for free then how would we pay off the $150,000 debt that was accrued during medical school? We would be short doctors if it didnt pay well. Who would work their ass off for 80 hours a week and not draw a paycheck greater than $45,000 till age 30 if it didnt pay well after that?

What about the guy who has to pay $150,000 in medical bills for all kinds of transplants and stuff? He's got the same kind of problems as doctors with student loans. I have no problems with doctors trying to run a business and make money. But if they want to basically resell my free goods then they've got another thing coming to them...

 

[WyteWatt]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: WyteWatt

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: WyteWatt

Originally posted by: Kelvrick

Originally posted by: edro
Because $500 is cheap considering the testing and collection fees that are needed to process your crappy blood.

I don't think they really test/process all the blood they collect though.

They don't test the blood that's used for people without insurance (aka minority people's blood).

You mean they have separate storage tanks/facilities for minorities?

No, I mean that people without insurance get free blood that comes from other people without insurance. Most of those happen to be minorities... and yes they use separate tanks. It wouldn't make sense to mix tested blood with untested blood.

So maybe they should get health insurance then?

They probably should. I have coverage so I don't care

 

[SLU MD]

Originally posted by: WyteWatt

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: WyteWatt

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
In spite of the fact that my insurance company paid $16K for my cornea transplant I am forever indebted to the person who donated it.

Hospitals have every right to charge for their services, but there are some things they can't make from scratch. Organ donations change people's lives, if you're not going to need them anymore why wouldn't you donate them?

Viper GTS

I'm not going to give them away because the hospital just resells them. I'll take my organs to the grave. I'd be willing to sell the rights to my orgrans to any hospital that's will to bid a respectable sum. There is absolutely no reason to give away my organs when doctors and hospitals are raking in all that cash. Maybe if they worked for free I wouldn't have a problem.

The hospital is not selling the organs, they are selling the services associated with installing them.

Take me for example, I had a cornea transplant 4 months ago. They cut off the front of my eye, & stitched in a new cornea. The final product looked like this:

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/ViperGTS/cornea6weeks.jpg

Now what do you think it cost to do that?

The cornea had to be harvested, transported, tested, and stored until it was time for my operation.

The doctor had YEARS of schooling to be able to pull something like that off (and do such a beautiful job of stitching it in).

There were also dozens of support staff involved, everywhere from the janitor who swept the floor the night before to the receptionist to the people who wheeled me into the operating room.

Yes, the operation cost a sh!tload of money. $16K for 45 minutes of time in the OR.

Worth every frickin' penny, & it was all made possible by someone who recognized the value in donating their organs.

Viper GTS

I think it's great that you can see and that you obviously got your money's worth for the operation. That said, a lot of their business is based on all the free goods they get from organ donors. If there weren't any organ donors, they wouldn't make as much money. I just want to get fair compensation for my goods.

Originally posted by: SLU MD

Originally posted by: WyteWatt

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
In spite of the fact that my insurance company paid $16K for my cornea transplant I am forever indebted to the person who donated it.

Hospitals have every right to charge for their services, but there are some things they can't make from scratch. Organ donations change people's lives, if you're not going to need them anymore why wouldn't you donate them?

Viper GTS

I'm not going to give them away because the hospital just resells them. I'll take my organs to the grave. I'd be willing to sell the rights to my orgrans to any hospital that's will to bid a respectable sum. There is absolutely no reason to give away my organs when doctors and hospitals are raking in all that cash. Maybe if they worked for free I wouldn't have a problem.

If us doctors worked for free then how would we pay off the $150,000 debt that was accrued during medical school? We would be short doctors if it didnt pay well. Who would work their ass off for 80 hours a week and not draw a paycheck greater than $45,000 till age 30 if it didnt pay well after that?

What about the guy who has to pay $150,000 in medical bills for all kinds of transplants and stuff? He's got the same kind of problems as doctors with student loans. I have no problems with doctors trying to run a business and make money. But if they want to basically resell my free goods then they've got another thing coming to them...

We dont sell the organ, we charge to put it in. big difference.

 

[WyteWatt]

Originally posted by: SLU MD
We dont sell the organ, we charge to put it in. big difference.

I highly doubt that, but let me ask you this; If I bring in my own organ for a transplant, will your hospital reject it, saying it's basicaly not "New York Hospital Certified Parts." or charge more because it's not "geniune?"

 

[Mo0o]

If you charge for the organs, the organ transplants will simply cost more than they do now. People die waiting for transplants everyday, so there are people who CAN afford the surgery and are more than willing to pay for the operation to "profit" the evil hospitals. Basically your refusal to donate organs after your death is to deny a win win situation?

Just curious, are you a republican?

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: WyteWatt

Originally posted by: SLU MD
We dont sell the organ, we charge to put it in. big difference.

I highly doubt that, but let me ask you this; If I bring in my own organ for a transplant, will your hospital reject it, saying it's basicaly not "New York Hospital Certified Parts." or charge more because it's not "geniune?"

You dont know the first thing about transplant do you? They have to match you with a donor first. They are only going to reject it based on if you have certain diseases or if the organs have went downhill, such as liver cirrhosis.

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: WyteWatt

Originally posted by: SLU MD
We dont sell the organ, we charge to put it in. big difference.

I highly doubt that, but let me ask you this; If I bring in my own organ for a transplant, will your hospital reject it, saying it's basicaly not "New York Hospital Certified Parts." or charge more because it's not "geniune?"

What the hell are you talking about?

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
You are either a troll, or a complete idiot.

Or maybe just a Democrat.

Viper GTS

way to make yourself look like a retard :roll:

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: WyteWatt

Originally posted by: SLU MD
We dont sell the organ, we charge to put it in. big difference.

I highly doubt that, but let me ask you this; If I bring in my own organ for a transplant, will your hospital reject it, saying it's basicaly not "New York Hospital Certified Parts." or charge more because it's not "geniune?"

They wont put it in because uncertified organs are untested and there's no guarantee there wont be adverse reactions to the patient. Not only that, uncertified organs promote organ harvesting, something quite deplorable

 

[WyteWatt]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: WyteWatt

Originally posted by: SLU MD
We dont sell the organ, we charge to put it in. big difference.

I highly doubt that, but let me ask you this; If I bring in my own organ for a transplant, will your hospital reject it, saying it's basicaly not "New York Hospital Certified Parts." or charge more because it's not "geniune?"

You dont know the first thing about transplant do you? They have to match you with a donor first. They are only going to reject it based on if you have certain diseases or if the organs have went downhill, such as liver cirrhosis.

So what you're saying is that the hospital is requiring me to use their own certified used organs instead of installing the cheaper just-as-good generic part I brought in. Sounds like a shady car dealership really. It'd be nice to use my own organs and save $15,000 (used for all the "tests" on the organs and donors, etc) from my $50,000 bill.

 

[WyteWatt]

Originally posted by: Mo0o
Just curious, are you a republican?

I don't see the point in your question, but I've always been an independant if you must know

 

[WyteWatt]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: WyteWatt

Originally posted by: SLU MD
We dont sell the organ, we charge to put it in. big difference.

I highly doubt that, but let me ask you this; If I bring in my own organ for a transplant, will your hospital reject it, saying it's basicaly not "New York Hospital Certified Parts." or charge more because it's not "geniune?"

They wont put it in because uncertified organs are untested and there's no guarantee there wont be adverse reactions to the patient. Not only that, uncertified organs promote organ harvesting, something quite deplorable

Sounds like the hospital just trying to protect their monopoly...

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: WyteWatt

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: WyteWatt

Originally posted by: SLU MD
We dont sell the organ, we charge to put it in. big difference.

I highly doubt that, but let me ask you this; If I bring in my own organ for a transplant, will your hospital reject it, saying it's basicaly not "New York Hospital Certified Parts." or charge more because it's not "geniune?"

You dont know the first thing about transplant do you? They have to match you with a donor first. They are only going to reject it based on if you have certain diseases or if the organs have went downhill, such as liver cirrhosis.

So what you're saying is that the hospital is requiring me to use their own certified used organs instead of installing the cheaper just-as-good generic part I brought in. Sounds like a shady car dealership really. It'd be nice to use my own organs and save $15,000 (used for all the "tests" on the organs and donors, etc) from my $50,000 bill.

I think it's about time to refer you to the mods buddy, this is quite out of hand and offensive, you are discussing peoples lives here. You need to go back to your troll hole and not come out. Quite deplorable. I hope you enjoy your vacation from AT

 

[Krazefinn]

I'm a donor, specificaly for transplant only, and when I dont need them, will be glad to pass them along. They've served me well.
I'm just not sure I'd donate to research or education. although there is need there as well.
When you consider the needless desths from lack of many types donors, its tragedy more dont prearrange.
I am actually seeking a position with a organ-procurement entity (nonprofit, completely legit.)
I beleive I could well and respectfully approach next of kin during those most trying of times when unimagianbly difficult decisions must be made at moments notice.

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: WyteWatt

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: WyteWatt

Originally posted by: SLU MD
We dont sell the organ, we charge to put it in. big difference.

I highly doubt that, but let me ask you this; If I bring in my own organ for a transplant, will your hospital reject it, saying it's basicaly not "New York Hospital Certified Parts." or charge more because it's not "geniune?"

They wont put it in because uncertified organs are untested and there's no guarantee there wont be adverse reactions to the patient. Not only that, uncertified organs promote organ harvesting, something quite deplorable

Sounds like the hospital just trying to protect their monopoly...

Because guaranteeing organs transplants end successfully is an evil monopoly? At this point you're not even making cogent arguments anymore, you're just making trollish replies to incite further flames

 

[WyteWatt]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: WyteWatt

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: WyteWatt

Originally posted by: SLU MD
We dont sell the organ, we charge to put it in. big difference.

I highly doubt that, but let me ask you this; If I bring in my own organ for a transplant, will your hospital reject it, saying it's basicaly not "New York Hospital Certified Parts." or charge more because it's not "geniune?"

You dont know the first thing about transplant do you? They have to match you with a donor first. They are only going to reject it based on if you have certain diseases or if the organs have went downhill, such as liver cirrhosis.

So what you're saying is that the hospital is requiring me to use their own certified used organs instead of installing the cheaper just-as-good generic part I brought in. Sounds like a shady car dealership really. It'd be nice to use my own organs and save $15,000 (used for all the "tests" on the organs and donors, etc) from my $50,000 bill.

I think it's about time to refer you to the mods buddy, this is quite out of hand and offensive, you are discussing peoples lives here. You need to go back to your troll hole and not come out. Quite deplorable. I hope you enjoy your vacation from AT

:roll: Grow up. If you have a problem with my opinion, stop reading the thread. The only peoples' lives I'm discussing is my own. If you want to get all sensitive and private message the moderators about this ridiculous stuff, by all means go ahead. The rest of us will continue to have our civilized conversation.

 

[gooseman]

Originally posted by: WyteWatt

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: WyteWatt

Originally posted by: Kelvrick

Originally posted by: edro
Because $500 is cheap considering the testing and collection fees that are needed to process your crappy blood.

I don't think they really test/process all the blood they collect though.

They don't test the blood that's used for people without insurance (aka minority people's blood).

You mean they have separate storage tanks/facilities for minorities?

No, I mean that people without insurance get free blood that comes from other people without insurance. Most of those happen to be minorities... and yes they use separate tanks. It wouldn't make sense to mix tested blood with untested blood.

You sir are a complete fvcking retard. You know absolutely NOTHING of what you are speaking and couldn't find 1 shred of proof or evidence in this world to back you up because it is all conjured up in that large empty space between your ears.

 

[OhioState]

its not wrong ive seen one too many movies about this for it to all be fantasy

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: WyteWatt

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: WyteWatt

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: WyteWatt

Originally posted by: SLU MD
We dont sell the organ, we charge to put it in. big difference.

I highly doubt that, but let me ask you this; If I bring in my own organ for a transplant, will your hospital reject it, saying it's basicaly not "New York Hospital Certified Parts." or charge more because it's not "geniune?"

You dont know the first thing about transplant do you? They have to match you with a donor first. They are only going to reject it based on if you have certain diseases or if the organs have went downhill, such as liver cirrhosis.

So what you're saying is that the hospital is requiring me to use their own certified used organs instead of installing the cheaper just-as-good generic part I brought in. Sounds like a shady car dealership really. It'd be nice to use my own organs and save $15,000 (used for all the "tests" on the organs and donors, etc) from my $50,000 bill.

I think it's about time to refer you to the mods buddy, this is quite out of hand and offensive, you are discussing peoples lives here. You need to go back to your troll hole and not come out. Quite deplorable. I hope you enjoy your vacation from AT

:roll: Grow up. If you have a problem with my opinion, stop reading the thread. The only peoples' lives I'm discussing is my own. If you want to get all sensitive and private message the moderators about this ridiculous stuff, by all means go ahead. The rest of us will continue to have our civilized conversation.

Actually it doesn't really involve your life since by the time you're up for organ donation you'd be dead. The only lives are risk are the poor schmucks who might need your organ but can't get it because they're "slaves to the corporate machine" :disgust:

 

[WyteWatt]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: WyteWatt

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: WyteWatt

Originally posted by: SLU MD
We dont sell the organ, we charge to put it in. big difference.

I highly doubt that, but let me ask you this; If I bring in my own organ for a transplant, will your hospital reject it, saying it's basicaly not "New York Hospital Certified Parts." or charge more because it's not "geniune?"

They wont put it in because uncertified organs are untested and there's no guarantee there wont be adverse reactions to the patient. Not only that, uncertified organs promote organ harvesting, something quite deplorable

Sounds like the hospital just trying to protect their monopoly...

Because guaranteeing organs transplants end successfully is an evil monopoly? At this point you're not even making cogent arguments anymore, you're just making trollish replies to incite further flames

Well I don't want to go further on the "organ harvesting" issue because it'll extend into the moral arguments of human cloning, stem cell research, etc.... that junk belongs in P&N

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: WyteWatt

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: WyteWatt

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: WyteWatt

Originally posted by: SLU MD
We dont sell the organ, we charge to put it in. big difference.

I highly doubt that, but let me ask you this; If I bring in my own organ for a transplant, will your hospital reject it, saying it's basicaly not "New York Hospital Certified Parts." or charge more because it's not "geniune?"

They wont put it in because uncertified organs are untested and there's no guarantee there wont be adverse reactions to the patient. Not only that, uncertified organs promote organ harvesting, something quite deplorable

Sounds like the hospital just trying to protect their monopoly...

Because guaranteeing organs transplants end successfully is an evil monopoly? At this point you're not even making cogent arguments anymore, you're just making trollish replies to incite further flames

Well I don't want to go further on the "organ harvesting" issue because it'll extend into the moral arguments of human cloning, stem cell research, etc.... that junk belongs in P&N

I'm not talking about growing your own organs, I'm talking about illegal procuring organs from unwilling participants.

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: WyteWatt

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: WyteWatt

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: WyteWatt

Originally posted by: SLU MD
We dont sell the organ, we charge to put it in. big difference.

I highly doubt that, but let me ask you this; If I bring in my own organ for a transplant, will your hospital reject it, saying it's basicaly not "New York Hospital Certified Parts." or charge more because it's not "geniune?"

You dont know the first thing about transplant do you? They have to match you with a donor first. They are only going to reject it based on if you have certain diseases or if the organs have went downhill, such as liver cirrhosis.

So what you're saying is that the hospital is requiring me to use their own certified used organs instead of installing the cheaper just-as-good generic part I brought in. Sounds like a shady car dealership really. It'd be nice to use my own organs and save $15,000 (used for all the "tests" on the organs and donors, etc) from my $50,000 bill.

I think it's about time to refer you to the mods buddy, this is quite out of hand and offensive, you are discussing peoples lives here. You need to go back to your troll hole and not come out. Quite deplorable. I hope you enjoy your vacation from AT

:roll: Grow up. If you have a problem with my opinion, stop reading the thread. The only peoples' lives I'm discussing is my own. If you want to get all sensitive and private message the moderators about this ridiculous stuff, by all means go ahead. The rest of us will continue to have our civilized conversation.

Honestly you need to grow up. Thats fine for your opinion but it's no reason to attack me and others and throw around senseless claims that you cant back up. Spend some time in a decent hospital, we arent evil, we arent a monopoly, we're in the issue of saving lives and making people better any way we can. People like you give us a bad name for no particular reason.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: WyteWatt
Do you give away your computer on the FS/T forum? Didn't think so... I'm not going to do the same with my organs and blood.

I would indeed give away my computer _if_ it regenerated itself (blood) or I was dead (organs)