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Attrox

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Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: OulOat
IT'S NOT A FVCKING CONTEST! JUST BECAUSE YOUR SH!TTY FROZEN HELLHOLE COUNTRY DONATES MORE PER PERSON THAN US DOESN'T MEAN YOUR E-PENIS IS BIGGER THAN OURS! STFU AND GO SUCK ON A BEAVER LOG!
Hehe...here's one person upset that the US is not taking a leadership role.

:disgust: You are a moron
It's a HELP, stop demanding help.
Let's pick a Muslim country that isn't helping, are you saying the country can't help to even give $0.05 on average? How about $0.01, how about a freakin $0.0001? That'll still summed up to money that goes to help people.

The point is YOU CAN'T DEMAND ANYONE TO HELP!
 

mwtgg

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Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Gee whiz, what's our national debt? $7,596,165,867,424.14? Somewhere around there? Let's give them $7.6 trillion and double our National Debt.

And I bet that's still not enough to satisfy you. Is it, Stunt?

No i think that would be far too much.
Your debt to gdp is 70%...you are sitting far better than the middle eastern countries.
Actually 70% is pretty good relative to the rest of the world :)

Oh, so now there's too much? Hmm, I see.

Why are you making this a contest, Stunt?
 

Stunt

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Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: Attrox
Originally posted by: Stunt

I'm saying the muslim countries are not doing so hot fiscally and are not a first world superpower.
He was getting us back on the original topic.
Not aid last year which is useless right now in southeast asia.

But if you want to drag this out...you might as well point out how well the $150billion is doing in Iraq.

I'm saying that it seems you are quick to blame U.S for problems, now even when the U.S is helping and still continue to help, you are still blaming the U.S (not enough help, stingy, etc).
I glad the US is helping.
What is a fair amount to donate?...and why are nations from around the world donating so much more per person?
SINCE YOU FVCKING KNOW EVERYTHING - how much should the U.S. donate to satisfy YOU?!?!?!?!?!
Well...lets see. the rest of the first world is giving between 5 and 10 per person.
you are fighting a war, but so are the brits. you have a pretty fiscally irresponsible gov't so i wouldnt expect you to give as much as canada or australia. Japan just came out of a recession just as you are, and went to iraq.

I'd have to say matching the Japanese per person would truely show some leadership and prove to the world that you care about humanitarian aid not just war.

Focus on a good positive reputation.
 

Stunt

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Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Gee whiz, what's our national debt? $7,596,165,867,424.14? Somewhere around there? Let's give them $7.6 trillion and double our National Debt.

And I bet that's still not enough to satisfy you. Is it, Stunt?

No i think that would be far too much.
Your debt to gdp is 70%...you are sitting far better than the middle eastern countries.
Actually 70% is pretty good relative to the rest of the world :)

Oh, so now there's too much? Hmm, I see.

Why are you making this a contest, Stunt?
not a contest...just benchmarking how in tune with the rest of the world the US is.
 

Stunt

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Jul 17, 2002
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Originally posted by: Attrox
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: OulOat
IT'S NOT A FVCKING CONTEST! JUST BECAUSE YOUR SH!TTY FROZEN HELLHOLE COUNTRY DONATES MORE PER PERSON THAN US DOESN'T MEAN YOUR E-PENIS IS BIGGER THAN OURS! STFU AND GO SUCK ON A BEAVER LOG!
Hehe...here's one person upset that the US is not taking a leadership role.

:disgust: You are a moron
It's a HELP, stop demanding help.
Let's pick a Muslim country that isn't helping, are you saying the country can't help to even give $0.05 on average? How about $0.01, how about a freakin $0.0001? That'll still summed up to money that goes to help people.

The point is YOU CAN'T DEMAND ANYONE TO HELP!
I'm not demanding help. I'm asking what kind of image is the US trying to portray?
 

mwtgg

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Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Gee whiz, what's our national debt? $7,596,165,867,424.14? Somewhere around there? Let's give them $7.6 trillion and double our National Debt.

And I bet that's still not enough to satisfy you. Is it, Stunt?

No i think that would be far too much.
Your debt to gdp is 70%...you are sitting far better than the middle eastern countries.
Actually 70% is pretty good relative to the rest of the world :)

Oh, so now there's too much? Hmm, I see.

Why are you making this a contest, Stunt?
not a contest...just benchmarking how in tune with the rest of the world the US is.

In other words, a contest.

Got any figures on private aid from other "high per person contributors"?
 

shimsham

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Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: Attrox
Originally posted by: Stunt

I'm saying the muslim countries are not doing so hot fiscally and are not a first world superpower.
He was getting us back on the original topic.
Not aid last year which is useless right now in southeast asia.

But if you want to drag this out...you might as well point out how well the $150billion is doing in Iraq.

I'm saying that it seems you are quick to blame U.S for problems, now even when the U.S is helping and still continue to help, you are still blaming the U.S (not enough help, stingy, etc).
I glad the US is helping.
What is a fair amount to donate?...and why are nations from around the world donating so much more per person?

jhfc you are a fcking troll. the reason everyone is donating "more per person", like that matters, is because this has turned into a pissing contest thanks to the u.n. nobody can "only" donate 10 million now, because thats "stingy" and will get you called out on the world stage *coughfrance175kfor1stpledgecough*. didnt hear you bitching about france before they dropped their 30 mil or whatever it is now.

and of course the donation from the govt is going to be lower per person, as we have roughly 300mil people as opposed to canada 30mil, for example. and those #s dont count military cost or private donations. since you love #s so much, why dont you dig up a link comparing corporate and private donations of all these countries that are so much more generous than the evil empire of the usa? i know why. because when you add it all, once again it will show that the u.s. is the most generous.

:roll:
 

Stunt

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Jul 17, 2002
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Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Gee whiz, what's our national debt? $7,596,165,867,424.14? Somewhere around there? Let's give them $7.6 trillion and double our National Debt.

And I bet that's still not enough to satisfy you. Is it, Stunt?

No i think that would be far too much.
Your debt to gdp is 70%...you are sitting far better than the middle eastern countries.
Actually 70% is pretty good relative to the rest of the world :)

Oh, so now there's too much? Hmm, I see.

Why are you making this a contest, Stunt?
not a contest...just benchmarking how in tune with the rest of the world the US is.

In other words, a contest.

Got any figures on private aid from other "high per person contributors"?
If you go back in the thread there are figures for private and public donors. The $ per person thing is taking into account both types of donations.
 

Stunt

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Originally posted by: shimsham
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: Attrox
Originally posted by: Stunt

I'm saying the muslim countries are not doing so hot fiscally and are not a first world superpower.
He was getting us back on the original topic.
Not aid last year which is useless right now in southeast asia.

But if you want to drag this out...you might as well point out how well the $150billion is doing in Iraq.

I'm saying that it seems you are quick to blame U.S for problems, now even when the U.S is helping and still continue to help, you are still blaming the U.S (not enough help, stingy, etc).
I glad the US is helping.
What is a fair amount to donate?...and why are nations from around the world donating so much more per person?

jhfc you are a fcking troll. the reason everyone is donating "more per person", like that matters, is because this has turned into a pissing contest thanks to the u.n. nobody can "only" donate 10 million now, because thats "stingy" and will get you called out on the world stage *coughfrance175kfor1stpledgecough*. didnt hear you bitching about france before they dropped their 30 mil or whatever it is now.

and of course the donation from the govt is going to be lower per person, as we have roughly 300mil people as opposed to canada 30mil, for example. and those #s dont count military cost or private donations. since you love #s so much, why dont you dig up a link comparing corporate and private donations of all these countries that are so much more generous than the evil empire of the usa? i know why. because when you add it all, once again it will show that the u.s. is the most generous.

:roll:
private is counted.
the aid needed is shelter, warmth, drugs, food, water.
the military is a small part of that cost. And good to hear the US is helping in that effort.
 

grooveman

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Hi all! :)

*Puts on flame proof suit*

Whew.

Just thought I might post Juan Cole's response to the above.

"As of 1/1, Reuters was reporting these responses to the tsunami from Middle Eastern countries:

--Qatar, $25 million
--Saudi Arabia, $10 million
--Kuwait, $2.1 million
--Algeria, $2 million
--Libya, $2 million
--UAE, $2 million
--Turkey, $1.25 million

I have suggested before that if you want to compare the donations, you can't do it in terms of absolute numbers. You have to look at the population of the country and at its per capita income.

The announced Saudi contribution of $10 million is probably about $0.66 cents a citizen on a per capita basis (I don't think the Saudi citizen population can possibly be over 15 million no matter what Riyadh says). The second US offer of $35 million was about 12 cents per person. Since US per capita income is approximately 4.5 times that of Saudi Arabia ($8500 Atlas method), however, the Saudi contribution should be seen as about $3.00 per citizen on a US scale, with regard to the real per capita burden. So the Saudi was a generous initial offer in comparison to that of the US.

The USG is now pledging about $1.19 cents per person ($350 million).

The Qatar offer of $25 million is about $250 per citizen.

The Kuwait offer of $2 million is $2.00 per citizen or $1.00 per person if guest workers are counted. Either way, it is comparable to the US offer on a per capita basis, and Kuwaiti per capita income is about half that of Americans. So any way you cut it, the Kuwaitis are not being chintzy unless you want to say Americans are moreso.

The Libyans are giving about $0.36 per person, and their per capita income (purchasing power parity method) is a little over $6,000. That is about 1/7 of the US per capita income, so their contribution burdens the Libyans the same way a roughly $2.50 per person contribution would burden Americans. Remember, the USG is currently giving a little over a dollar a person.

The Turks have offered 18 cents a person. But their per capita income is only about $3000 per year, or a tenth that of an average American, so this plege is equivalent to an American one of $1.80. That is, the Turks are giving one and a half times what Americans are if everything is taken into account.

The current Australian pledge of $60 million is about $3.00 per person.

It is obvious that if we take their populations and actual per capita income into account, the offers made by many of these governments are generally more generous than that of the United States. A lot of Middle Eastern countries have small populations, so even if they gave a lot per capita, it would look small in absolute numbers. Apparently US pundits don't know things like the citizen population of Kuwait or the per capita income of Libya, and can't be bothered to look them up.

The Organization of the Islamic Conference (the foreign ministers of Muslim-majority countries) is offering to coordinate aid from the area, and is calling for Muslim countries to give the utmost.

And, civil society organizations are also swinging into action in places like Qatar. "

Some of the text above has links in the original article. (Juancole.com)

Also, according to Reuters, "Warships, aircraft and thousands of troops have been deployed to the region from the United States, Australia, Malaysia, Singapore, Germany, India, Pakistan, China, Egypt, Canada and Japan."

This old article mentions that Egypt was sending some medical supplies. Article

Anywho, just figured I toss that onto the flames. :)

Two quick edits:
Article for the first Reuters quote is here.

Personally, I don't see the criticism of American aid to be anti-American. Compared to normal expenses in the US, the initial donation was almost nothing. ($15 million - later increased, after an outcry, with an additional $20 million line of credit. IIRC, our other currently increased foreign expenses run about $200 million per day.) Per capita, the US is closer to what much of the world is giving now. If you can't criticize how your government deals with an internation tragedy, it would seem to make a person's right to speak freely pretty slim.


Be well all,
Groove
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: grooveman
Hi all! :)

*Puts on flame proof suit*

Whew.

Just thought I might post Juan Cole's response to the above.

"As of 1/1, Reuters was reporting these responses to the tsunami from Middle Eastern countries:

--Qatar, $25 million
--Saudi Arabia, $10 million
--Kuwait, $2.1 million
--Algeria, $2 million
--Libya, $2 million
--UAE, $2 million
--Turkey, $1.25 million

I have suggested before that if you want to compare the donations, you can't do it in terms of absolute numbers. You have to look at the population of the country and at its per capita income.

The announced Saudi contribution of $10 million is probably about $0.66 cents a citizen on a per capita basis (I don't think the Saudi citizen population can possibly be over 15 million no matter what Riyadh says). The second US offer of $35 million was about 12 cents per person. Since US per capita income is approximately 4.5 times that of Saudi Arabia ($8500 Atlas method), however, the Saudi contribution should be seen as about $3.00 per citizen on a US scale, with regard to the real per capita burden. So the Saudi was a generous initial offer in comparison to that of the US.

The USG is now pledging about $1.19 cents per person ($350 million).

The Qatar offer of $25 million is about $250 per citizen.

The Kuwait offer of $2 million is $2.00 per citizen or $1.00 per person if guest workers are counted. Either way, it is comparable to the US offer on a per capita basis, and Kuwaiti per capita income is about half that of Americans. So any way you cut it, the Kuwaitis are not being chintzy unless you want to say Americans are moreso.

The Libyans are giving about $0.36 per person, and their per capita income (purchasing power parity method) is a little over $6,000. That is about 1/7 of the US per capita income, so their contribution burdens the Libyans the same way a roughly $2.50 per person contribution would burden Americans. Remember, the USG is currently giving a little over a dollar a person.

The Turks have offered 18 cents a person. But their per capita income is only about $3000 per year, or a tenth that of an average American, so this plege is equivalent to an American one of $1.80. That is, the Turks are giving one and a half times what Americans are if everything is taken into account.

The current Australian pledge of $60 million is about $3.00 per person.

It is obvious that if we take their populations and actual per capita income into account, the offers made by many of these governments are generally more generous than that of the United States. A lot of Middle Eastern countries have small populations, so even if they gave a lot per capita, it would look small in absolute numbers. Apparently US pundits don't know things like the citizen population of Kuwait or the per capita income of Libya, and can't be bothered to look them up.

The Organization of the Islamic Conference (the foreign ministers of Muslim-majority countries) is offering to coordinate aid from the area, and is calling for Muslim countries to give the utmost.

And, civil society organizations are also swinging into action in places like Qatar. "

Some of the text above has links in the original article. (Juancole.com)

Also, according to Reuters, "Warships, aircraft and thousands of troops have been deployed to the region from the United States, Australia, Malaysia, Singapore, Germany, India, Pakistan, China, Egypt, Canada and Japan."

This old article mentions that Egypt was sending some medical supplies.Article

Anywho, just figured I toss that onto the flames. :)

Be well all,
Groove

Wow. Good Find!
 

Attrox

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Originally posted by: Stunt
I have no problem with my country's commitment.
the more the better.
I think the US should pony up more.

It would be a good gesture to muslims that they have been attacking for years (afganistan, iraq, palestine)
right or wrong...they are putting $150billion into iraq and $300million into a real disaster...

Btw, are you from U.S? if so why are you refering U.S as "they" when you said " to muslims that they have been attacking for years"?
 

Excelsior

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I love how even in times like this, when the US does so much, anti-americanism still shines. :roll:
 

Stunt

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Originally posted by: Attrox
Originally posted by: Stunt
I have no problem with my country's commitment.
the more the better.
I think the US should pony up more.

It would be a good gesture to muslims that they have been attacking for years (afganistan, iraq, palestine)
right or wrong...they are putting $150billion into iraq and $300million into a real disaster...

Btw, are you from U.S? if so why are you refering U.S as "they" when you said " to muslims that they have been attacking for years"?
I cant refer to the US as they? not from the US...
 

Stunt

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Originally posted by: Excelsior
I love how even in times like this, when the US does so much, anti-americanism still shines. :roll:
not anti US...pro-US.

I want to work with the US to maintain a good reputation and respect.
It's been a rough few years for the US's on these fronts...this is an opportunity to show the US's true colors.

$150billion on war. 0.3billion on saving lives and limiting disease?
Am i the only one seeing an inbalance.
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: Attrox
Originally posted by: Stunt
I have no problem with my country's commitment.
the more the better.
I think the US should pony up more.

It would be a good gesture to muslims that they have been attacking for years (afganistan, iraq, palestine)
right or wrong...they are putting $150billion into iraq and $300million into a real disaster...

Btw, are you from U.S? if so why are you refering U.S as "they" when you said " to muslims that they have been attacking for years"?
I cant refer to the US as they? not from the US...
he's a canuck
 

Attrox

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Aug 24, 2004
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Originally posted by: Excelsior
I love how even in times like this, when the US does so much, anti-americanism still shines. :roll:

It really sickens me that the US get blamed for everything.
 

shimsham

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: shimsham
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: Attrox
Originally posted by: Stunt

I'm saying the muslim countries are not doing so hot fiscally and are not a first world superpower.
He was getting us back on the original topic.
Not aid last year which is useless right now in southeast asia.

But if you want to drag this out...you might as well point out how well the $150billion is doing in Iraq.

I'm saying that it seems you are quick to blame U.S for problems, now even when the U.S is helping and still continue to help, you are still blaming the U.S (not enough help, stingy, etc).
I glad the US is helping.
What is a fair amount to donate?...and why are nations from around the world donating so much more per person?

jhfc you are a fcking troll. the reason everyone is donating "more per person", like that matters, is because this has turned into a pissing contest thanks to the u.n. nobody can "only" donate 10 million now, because thats "stingy" and will get you called out on the world stage *coughfrance175kfor1stpledgecough*. didnt hear you bitching about france before they dropped their 30 mil or whatever it is now.

and of course the donation from the govt is going to be lower per person, as we have roughly 300mil people as opposed to canada 30mil, for example. and those #s dont count military cost or private donations. since you love #s so much, why dont you dig up a link comparing corporate and private donations of all these countries that are so much more generous than the evil empire of the usa? i know why. because when you add it all, once again it will show that the u.s. is the most generous.

:roll:
private is counted.
the aid needed is shelter, warmth, drugs, food, water.
the military is a small part of that cost. And good to hear the US is helping in that effort.


how about a link to the article with those #s?
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: Excelsior
I love how even in times like this, when the US does so much, anti-americanism still shines. :roll:
not anti US...pro-US.

I want to work with the US to maintain a good reputation and respect.
It's been a rough few years for the US's on these fronts...this is an opportunity to show the US's true colors.

$150billion on war. 0.3billion on saving lives and limiting disease?
Am i the only one seeing an inbalance.
go work on the NHL
 

Stunt

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Originally posted by: Attrox
Originally posted by: Excelsior
I love how even in times like this, when the US does so much, anti-americanism still shines. :roll:

It really sickens me that the US get blamed for everything.
I agree. The US deserves more credit than it recieves.
For the most part the US has good intentions.
I'd like to see that continue.
 

Attrox

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Aug 24, 2004
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Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: Excelsior
I love how even in times like this, when the US does so much, anti-americanism still shines. :roll:
not anti US...pro-US.

I want to work with the US to maintain a good reputation and respect.
It's been a rough few years for the US's on these fronts...this is an opportunity to show the US's true colors.

$150billion on war. 0.3billion on saving lives and limiting disease?
Am i the only one seeing an inbalance.

Yup, let's spend all of our resources to help and leave the US vulnerable to attack.
No no, everyone will really appreciate it and nobody would want to attack us anymore :disgust:
 

Stunt

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Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: Excelsior
I love how even in times like this, when the US does so much, anti-americanism still shines. :roll:
not anti US...pro-US.

I want to work with the US to maintain a good reputation and respect.
It's been a rough few years for the US's on these fronts...this is an opportunity to show the US's true colors.

$150billion on war. 0.3billion on saving lives and limiting disease?
Am i the only one seeing an inbalance.
go work on the NHL
I hate hockey...but thanks for the stereotype...go watch nascar.
 

Stunt

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Originally posted by: shimsham
how about a link to the article with those #s?
it's in the posts above...i'm not your secretary.
should read the posts while you are at it :D
 

moshquerade

No Lifer
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Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: Excelsior
I love how even in times like this, when the US does so much, anti-americanism still shines. :roll:
not anti US...pro-US.

I want to work with the US to maintain a good reputation and respect.
It's been a rough few years for the US's on these fronts...this is an opportunity to show the US's true colors.

$150billion on war. 0.3billion on saving lives and limiting disease?
Am i the only one seeing an inbalance.
go work on the NHL
I hate hockey...but thanks for the stereotype...go watch nascar.
now we are getting to the bottom of it.

what do you really have against the U.S.? did your VISA not got approved?

 

Stunt

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Originally posted by: Attrox
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: Excelsior
I love how even in times like this, when the US does so much, anti-americanism still shines. :roll:
not anti US...pro-US.

I want to work with the US to maintain a good reputation and respect.
It's been a rough few years for the US's on these fronts...this is an opportunity to show the US's true colors.

$150billion on war. 0.3billion on saving lives and limiting disease?
Am i the only one seeing an inbalance.

Yup, let's spend all of our resources to help and leave the US vulnerable to attack.
No no, everyone will really appreciate it and nobody would want to attack us anymore :disgust:
How is giving aid and donations going to make the US vulnerable to an attack?