Is it wrong of me to log onto my neighbors wireless network...

[n0cmonkey]

WEP is useless.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Spac3d
Kinda off topic, but how do I properly secure a wireless network.

No one around my parents house are geeks. I am not worried about them stealing their interent, but I think I want to secure it anyways.

Spac3d

Do what NASA did.

 

[JackBurton]

I dare you to come through my neighborhood and try trolling my network. 128 bit WEP is enabled. Yeah baby!

Give me your address so I can leave a little text file on your machine. I'll do plenty of trolling on your network with even 256bit encryption. Don't put too much confidence in WEP.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: Crimson
I changed the SSID on mine as well as enabling 156bit encryption.. Should be good, plus I am using 802.11a, 72 megabits/sec... Not many people use 802.11a, so thats some security in and of itself.. heh

you are right, 802.11b is more popular!

 

[Sketcher]

Originally posted by: Crimson
I changed the SSID on mine as well as enabling 156bit encryption.. Should be good, plus I am using 802.11a, 72 megabits/sec... Not many people use 802.11a, so thats some security in and of itself.. heh

What gear are you using?

I'm running a dual band Linksys WAP51AB so I can run both 2.4Ghz-802.11b & 5Ghz-802.11a.

The 802.11a on the WAP51AB doesn't transmit very far (I lose signal before I reach my property lines) and I know that my neighbors do not have wireless gear so I don't run WEP right now. Though to access my wired network resources you have to authenticate to Active Directory.

Is it wrong access a personal (non public) network that is not yours, that you do not have permission to use, that you are uncomfortable telling the owner about? Uhmmmmmmmmmmm.............. Yes, it's wrong. Is it fun? yup, but still wrong.

 

[Kaervak]

Originally posted by: Crimson
I changed the SSID on mine as well as enabling 156bit encryption.. Should be good, plus I am using 802.11a, 72 megabits/sec... Not many people use 802.11a, so thats some security in and of itself.. heh

How are you liking 11a so far?

 

[Kaervak]

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: Crimson
I changed the SSID on mine as well as enabling 156bit encryption.. Should be good, plus I am using 802.11a, 72 megabits/sec... Not many people use 802.11a, so thats some security in and of itself.. heh

you are right, 802.11b is more popular!

Actually, .11a is.

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: Crimson
I changed the SSID on mine as well as enabling 156bit encryption.. Should be good, plus I am using 802.11a, 72 megabits/sec... Not many people use 802.11a, so thats some security in and of itself.. heh

you are right, 802.11b is more popular!

You have to spell it right.

802.11a has gotten a lot more result.

 

[dakata24]

Originally posted by: Kaervak

Originally posted by: aphex

Originally posted by: Kaervak

Originally posted by: aphex
Ehh i'll leave them alone... Last thing i want to do is scare the crap outta em all...

I love my 256-bit encryption

Oooooh, another D-Link user?

Yep, ive been VERY impressed with this router/card combo... the 22mbps is nice as well

I've been using their 11b+ line since the beginning of August. VERY impressed as well. Suposedly D-Link is/was going to be releasing new firmware for their 11b+ line to increase the speed, but haven't seen it yet.

d-link based it's december release of the 4x firmware on information TI had given them. but due to delays, it didnt make the deadline for the release in december. D-link is supposedly testing the firmware ATM.. here's an official response from D-Link Tech Support that frequents DSLR

 

[Kaervak]

Originally posted by: dakata24

d-link based it's december release of the 4x firmware on information TI had given them. but due to delays, it didnt make the deadline for the release in december. D-link is supposedly testing the firmware ATM.. here's an official response from D-Link Tech Support that frequents DSLR

Cool. Thanks for the info.

 

[mpitts]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
WEP is useless.

I agree.

I use MAC filtering and turning off SSID broadcast for my network. If you want to see the data that I am passing back and forth, good luck. It's all binaries.

 

[MrDudeMan]

haha oops i didnt realize i made that type on googlefight

 

[dakata24]

Originally posted by: mpitts

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
WEP is useless.

I agree.

I use MAC filtering and turning off SSID broadcast for my network. If you want to see the data that I am passing back and forth, good luck. It's all binaries.

isnt it easy to spoof a MAC address though?

i feel pretty secure with my wireless network.. WEP enabled, SSID broadcast disabled, using static ips, MAC Address filtering, IP Address filtering, and using a software firewall as additional protection. plus the fact that my wireless connection rarely gets used (for the laptop) so the needed 1+ million packets (whatever that # is) in able to figure out my WEP key would take months.. and by then, i would have already changed my WEP keys again...

 

[Kaervak]

Originally posted by: dakata24


isnt it easy to spoof a MAC address though?

i feel pretty secure with my wireless network.. WEP enabled, SSID broadcast disabled, using static ips, MAC Address filtering, IP Address filtering, and using a software firewall as additional protection. plus the fact that my wireless connection rarely gets used (for the laptop) so the needed 1+ million packets (whatever that # is) in able to figure out my WEP key would take months.. and by then, i would have already changed my WEP keys again...

MAC addresses are quite easy to spoof actually. All that you really need to do is edit a key in the registry. I've tested it out on my network and worked perfectly. There's really no 100% secure solution, just gotta keep an eye on things.

 

[tarheelmm]

tell him then ask to use it

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: Kaervak

Originally posted by: dakata24


isnt it easy to spoof a MAC address though?

i feel pretty secure with my wireless network.. WEP enabled, SSID broadcast disabled, using static ips, MAC Address filtering, IP Address filtering, and using a software firewall as additional protection. plus the fact that my wireless connection rarely gets used (for the laptop) so the needed 1+ million packets (whatever that # is) in able to figure out my WEP key would take months.. and by then, i would have already changed my WEP keys again...

MAC addresses are quite easy to spoof actually. All that you really need to do is edit a key in the registry. I've tested it out on my network and worked perfectly. There's really no 100% secure solution, just gotta keep an eye on things.

Someone would have to really want to get into your network to go that far. They'd have to get your MAC address first and that's not easy to do when you don't have access to the computer. Or is it?

 

[Kaervak]

Originally posted by: pulse8

Someone would have to really want to get into your network to go that far. They'd have to get your MAC address first and that's not easy to do when you don't have access to the computer. Or is it?

I think during transmisson on the wireless front the MAC address is in there somewhere. I'm not exactly sure about it, but I know someone somewhere has explained it. I'll see if I can find something from netstumblers forum on it.

 

[mpitts]

Originally posted by: dakata24

Originally posted by: mpitts

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
WEP is useless.

I agree.

I use MAC filtering and turning off SSID broadcast for my network. If you want to see the data that I am passing back and forth, good luck. It's all binaries.

isnt it easy to spoof a MAC address though?

i feel pretty secure with my wireless network.. WEP enabled, SSID broadcast disabled, using static ips, MAC Address filtering, IP Address filtering, and using a software firewall as additional protection. plus the fact that my wireless connection rarely gets used (for the laptop) so the needed 1+ million packets (whatever that # is) in able to figure out my WEP key would take months.. and by then, i would have already changed my WEP keys again...

Sure, you can spoof it. If you know what it is.

 

[StageLeft]

Wrong? Would I do it?

The answer to both questions is YES.

 

[Mr N8]

My neighbor was broadcasting everything, and sharing his printer. I decided to go ring his doorbell and offer some help. I had thought of sending him something on his printer, but I just brought my laptop over, and showed him what could be seen / done. Best Buy never told him any of this stuff, and he was a little ticked. His entire business database was viewable to anyone with wireless.

 

[Kaervak]

Originally posted by: Kaervak

Originally posted by: pulse8

Someone would have to really want to get into your network to go that far. They'd have to get your MAC address first and that's not easy to do when you don't have access to the computer. Or is it?

I think during transmisson on the wireless front the MAC address is in there somewhere. I'm not exactly sure about it, but I know someone somewhere has explained it. I'll see if I can find something from netstumblers forum on it.

Well, from what I can gather the MAC address filtering looks for the MAC address in the packets. So if you're sniffing for a WEP key, I *think* you can get the MAC address the same way. And I found a utility that lets you change the MAC address without even opening the registry. Nice GUI and all.

 

[T2T III]

And I found a utility that lets you change the MAC address without even opening the registry. Nice GUI and all.

Please share.

Thank you!

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: wje

And I found a utility that lets you change the MAC address without even opening the registry. Nice GUI and all.

Please share.

Thank you!

google.com, there are plenty of them out there. Linux's ifconfig utility can frequently change the MAC address of the network cards without modification. OpenBSD requires sea.c patch.

This is really where authPF shines. Crack WEP, change your MAC, use my ip, and you still need to be able to log into my firewall as me.

 

[spidey07]

hop on the neighbors network and do a friendly netsend to his computer.

"HI. You might want to enable some security on your wireless network"

And to the point about wireless networks, security, wep, etc - It is totally unsecure and easily broken into. With the tools today all you do is push a button - got mac, got key, have fun!

Cisco offers some protection with rotating keys.

 

[hudster]

Originally posted by: MogulMonster
Best Buy never told him any of this stuff, and he was a little ticked.

boy, that's funny, expecting BB to tell him this stuff, LOL.