Is it wrong for a Christian to believe in some parts of evolution?

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glen

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<< The theory of evolution is still a theory. It'll take many more decades before we've found enough proof for it, or developed another, better theory. >>



It has worked flawlessly for 150 years.
Every new discovery in science supports it.
You need more?
 

obiwaynekenobi

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Evolution?

you mean like the movie?

*snicker*

I've discovered that people have to discover themselves in their relgion.
 

Optimus

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Well, I'm a practicing Roman Catholic and I believe in evolution. I believe it is part of the natural process, set in motion/started by God, and that pretty much all life has evolved after the Big Bang (which I believe was God's act of creation).

The only thing I do NOT believe evolved was man's soul - I believe that at a point in time God created man's soul and endowed it to an evolved primate lifeform (Homo Sapiens) to create Homo Sapiens Sapiens (sp?).

So:

Belief: Catholic
Micro-Evolution: Yes.
Macro-Evolution: Yes.
Creationism: Yes, in that God created evolution and man's soul.
 

Elledan

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<< The theory of evolution is still a theory. It'll take many more decades before we've found enough proof for it, or developed another, better theory. >>



It has worked flawlessly for 150 years.
Every new discovery in science supports it.
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Yes, I know all that, but you must confess that we still don't know much about the processes behind evolution, i.e. what causes it? Random mutations certainly contribute, but there must be something else, much more influential.

Don't take me wrong, I don't support the 'theory' of creationism at all, but if we take a critical look at one 'theory' we should do so for all theories we have.
 

glen

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<< Yes, I know all that, but you must confess that we still don't know much about the processes behind evolution, i.e. what causes it? Random mutations certainly contribute, but there must be something else, much more influential. >>



errr... We actually know a LOT about it. In fact we can trace the mechanism with radio active isotopes. From from Okazaki fragments in replication to amino acid sequences in transcription there is an incredible amount we do know. If you want a great book suitable for the layman, try The Selfish Gene or The Blind Watchmaker by Richard Dawkins.
 

Elledan

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Thanks, I'll try those books if I can find them :)

Maybe I wasn't right, since the information I picked up about evolution is from (occassional) articles in the scientific magazines I read, so my knowledge on this topic is certainly not complete.
 

Anaconda

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yeah, theres a LAW of evolution now because its MEASURABLE, so we humans have pretty much got it down
 

ProviaFan

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/* It has worked flawlessly for 150 years.
Every new discovery in science supports it.
You need more? */


From what I can tell, they sure do a good job of taking some things out of proportion to suit their theory. What about the Nebraska Man? They found a tooth, and came up with a whole ape/man out of that. (Later it was found that the tooth came from an extinct pig).
 

Mikal

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Definitely read Dawkins, he's very good! &quot;Climbing Mount Improbable&quot; is excellent also.
 

glen

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<< From what I can tell, they sure do a good job of taking some things out of proportion to suit their theory. What about the Nebraska Man? They found a tooth, and came up with a whole ape/man out of that. (Later it was found that the tooth came from an extinct pig). >>


You can't possible think that an anthropologist making a mistake refutes all the evidence in a DIFFERENT field of work. If you do, throw away all your medications and start praying. :D
 

AndyJay

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I'll go ahead and just mention CreationScience.com, for those of you interested. There are a lot of interesting and though provoking things there to read. Some particular things I liked were the stuff on developed organs (the eye in particular, with good quotes from Darwin himself) and two- to twenty-celled life.

Anyway, I just thought I'd mention that. I'm fairly new to these boards and I'm surprised at the number of Christians there are for a site like this. I'm a Christian myself, but I know I won't be changing anyone's mind on things here so I won't bother going into my own beliefs. :)
 

glen

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<< ........CreationScience.com........... >>


Bah!
Anyone with high school biology could tell you that they have mis=represented the theory of evolution.
 

b0mbrman

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So, if a parent breaks their leg some time during their life, has kids, and the kids all break their leg some time in their life, and so on and so forth, eventually the children will be born with broken legs?

There are some obviously wrong parts of it, but you have to chose what is logical and what is not.


Hmmm. The broken leg doesn't get passed on but the gene for weaker bones does. If not having a broken leg outweighs other factors with surviving as a human, eventually, his offspring slowly die out.
 

zzzz

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<< Hey, so you guys believe that dinosaurs never existed? Yes? >>


Well, you don't know but it is a comman knowledge now that mice burried the dinosaur(?) skeletons under the soil in order to study the effect of its discovery on Humans.
 

Copperman

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I got a question....... I am a christian but have a question on evolution......
I was watching a program about it and heard the guy say this.....

If there was evolution and a branch fell from a tree it shouldn't die it should keep on growing shouldn't it?

Cliff
 

zzzz

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<< If there was evolution and a branch fell from a tree it shouldn't die it should keep on growing shouldn't it? >>


why?
 

khc200

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<< I believe in the gene frequencies and such but I'm still a strong believer in creationism. I believe all the way that changes through time and adaptations are real. But when I say I believe in evolution, it can mean SO much. Like Darwin's theories which some I believe in. But evolution as a whole just refutes Christianity so I only believe in SOME PARTS of it. But is it wrong for a Christian to believe in any parts of evolution? I mean the parts of evolution that I believe in are hard facts. I mean there's even a law about it now! the law about the gene frequencies. its not even a theory! well is it wrong? >>



yup, the christian part... hey at least one is scientific. if i go around telling the same thing the bible says, people would think i am nuts, if i go around telling people the idea of evolution, most can actually agree.

if religion is your escape, then don't question it.
if you can handle life, then you don't need religion, believe in yourself and treat everyone and everything with respect.
 

Copperman

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why? Yeah Why?

I am satisfied wasn't the answer I was looking for I think they was a little long and I got bored with reading them......

just kidding ya

Cliff
 

Athanasius

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To answer the original question: No, it is not wrong for a Christian to believe some parts of evolution.
 

Optimus

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<< Hey, so you guys believe that dinosaurs never existed? Yes? >>



who is &quot;you guys&quot;? Chrisitans?

I believe in evolution and that dinosaurs existed, and I'm Catholic.

Oops, soory, I spoiled your little proof that Christians are all idiots, didn't I?




<< if religion is your escape, then don't question it. if you can handle life, then you don't need religion, believe in yourself and treat everyone and everything with respect >>



I can handle life just fine, I follow science and research, I am a devout Roman Catholic, and religion is NOT my &quot;escape&quot;.
I'm sorry I spoiled your neat little stereotype too.




:)

 

khc200

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<< Hey, so you guys believe that dinosaurs never existed? Yes? >>



who is &quot;you guys&quot;? Chrisitans?

I believe in evolution and that dinosaurs existed, and I'm Catholic.

Oops, soory, I spoiled your little proof that Christians are all idiots, didn't I?




<< if religion is your escape, then don't question it. if you can handle life, then you don't need religion, believe in yourself and treat everyone and everything with respect >>



I can handle life just fine, I follow science and research, I am a devout Roman Catholic, and religion is NOT my &quot;escape&quot;.
I'm sorry I spoiled your neat little stereotype too.

:)
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if not your &quot;ESCAPE&quot; for life... what does religion do for you?
I respect your religion and your belief. but it just boggles my mind when a religious dude say their belief its not an escape for them... lets see, you say prayers... you ask for forgiveness from some non-existing thing... you say grace to someone who didn't brought food to the table, and you worship something that you don't even know &quot;EXACTLY&quot; what it is...

so if not an escape for life, what do you call it?