Is it too early to call Trump a terrible President?

[ivwshane]

But here's the thing. He doesn't strike me as an outsider. Before the election he struck me as an insider as deeply entrenched in Washington as humanly possible short of outright being a politician. He was the lobbyist that cut out the middle man and while Congress likely needed a fresh new perspective, Trump was not it in my opinion. Voting for Trump was a vote for "I'm tired of all these politicians in Washington bending to the will of the lobbyists. I'ma vote for a lobbyist and shake things up around here!"

He's an insider when it comes to politics but not necessarily DC politics. He knows how to grease the wheels but that's about it.

 

[desura]

I'm sure Trump will be worse eventually. He may even be worse already for Americans in general. He is definitely hurting this country, but for people of the world at large he is mostly just a nuisance in comparison to Bush or really any other US president.


I'm starting to see what Putin saw in picking him for the US presidency. He is so incredibly incompetent, his incompetence infects those around him and is very aggressive in its metastasis. In terms of US world hegemony there isn't really another person you could possibly pick to do more damage, faster. And he is even, in his abject stupidity, capable of defending himself and throwing people off his trail. Trump is quite the unique species .

The most worrisome is the debt ceiling and government shutdowns.

 

[Ken g6]

I just feel the need to point out that at this point in his presidency, George W. Bush was mostly known for vacationing a lot. (Sound familiar?) We can't know what will happen even in just the next year.

 

[pcgeek11]

AND..... the idiot said he was awarding it on behalf of himself and Melania. Not, you know, an appreciative nation.

Fortubately this time he didn't tell the man how much he always wanted one..... seriously, keep him away from the Purple Heart.

Actually he said:

"Congratulations on behalf of Melania and myself and the entire nation. Tremendous,"

Why was it a rare and great honor when Obama did it and not when Trump does it?

http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2011/10/11/nr-lawrence-obama-purple-heart-hospital.cnn

 

[jackstar7]

No

This.

 

[desura]

I just feel the need to point out that at this point in his presidency, George W. Bush was mostly known for vacationing a lot. (Sound familiar?) We can't know what will happen even in just the next year.

Most stupidity occurs in a mindset of radical optimism...evangelical optimism. Trump doesn't have that mindset.

 

[jackstar7]

Actually he said:

"Congratulations on behalf of Melania and myself and the entire nation. Tremendous,"

Why was it a rare and great honor when Obama did it and not when Trump does it?

http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2011/10/11/nr-lawrence-obama-purple-heart-hospital.cnn

Can you guess as to what he is referring to when he said "Tremendous."? I'm very curious to know your thoughts.

 

[pcgeek11]

Can you guess as to what he is referring to when he said "Tremendous."? I'm very curious to know your thoughts.

That was odd that one word. But then again Trump is always throwing around words like that Tremendous, Great, Wonderful ... Listen to any of his speaking engagements and you will hear the same. I really don't think he means it is a tremendous thing that the soldier was wounded.

It is just part of his normal speaking pattern in my opinion.

What are your thoughts on this word?

 

[woolfe9998]

I'll be the outlier here and say that it is too early and I'll give you my reasoning for this.

Everyone knew he had zero experience in government and everyone thinks he's an outsider (specifically referring to Washington DC), so it should be expected that a new president with zero public sector experience would need to go through some growing pains. Right now, I'd argue his failures are due to exactly that, his inexperience. So I'll wait a little longer before I declare him a horrible president (which, I'm sure, is more than he deserves).

The counter argument to that, of course, is that if he possessed 1/10th of the competence he claims he has, he would have put into place and surrounded himself with people who are competent and who would have been able to, at the very least, put together a complete team.

I judge being president by a few factors: is he competent. Is he able to learn for his mistakes or acknowledge them.

Has his decisions/policies led to a fulfillment of his promises he made on the campaign trail?

Has his responses to crises produced positive results?

Has he improved US relations with other countries?

Those are the standards by which I can judge him while acknowledging that his policies are counter to mine and are unacceptable.

So you think his incompetence so far is entirely down to inexperience? Nothing whatsoever to do with his malignant narcissism, his volatile temperament, his rampant dishonesty, his inability to accept any sort of criticism?

I think you're just trying to come across as even handed here.

 

[Younigue]

Actually he said:

"Congratulations on behalf of Melania and myself and the entire nation. Tremendous,"

Why was it a rare and great honor when Obama did it and not when Trump does it?

http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2011/10/11/nr-lawrence-obama-purple-heart-hospital.cnn

So how long does one excuse his complete lack of tact, interest, compassion or empathy, connection, awareness, sensitivity, decency...? It's not just his speech pattern, it's his lack of intelligence, limited vocabulary (reading would help), the absence of morals, his disdain for anyone who isn't him... He is a child and a ridiculous example of a human being. Even a good day still amounts to him being him.

The difference between the two (Obama and Trump) as human beings is something of a magnitude Trump can't even begin to fathom. I may not have liked everything Obama said and did but I was never embarrassed. Trump opens his mouth, I shake my head (with varying degrees of negative emotion).

This Administration might get some stuff done, some of it may even be good for America but nothing will change the fact that Trump is an inexcusable pile of gross.

Seriously, you don't have to like the guy to hope he gets done whatever it is you're hoping he will get done for America. There are no excuses for the way he behaves or speaks.

 

[pcgeek11]

OK. I was only making a comparison of the two. When Obama awarded the purple heart it was great, when Trump does it it is horrid. Where Trump does seem to bumble when he tags things as "tremendous" for instance. I saw nothing egregious in his awarding of the medal either in speech or action.

Can you maybe point out the specific thing that he did in this case?

Some appeared to think it was because he said "on behalf of Melania and myself " and leaving out the part about " and the entire nation". Which was a bit misleading don't you agree?

 

[Crumpet]

I don't like Trump, but he might just be the first politician to ever actually do what he said he was going to do.

On those grounds, he might be the best President you've ever had.

 

[pcgeek11]

I don't like Trump, but he might just be the first politician to ever actually do what he said he was going to do.

On those grounds, he might be the best President you've ever had.

I have real serious doubts about that in all honesty. I know most people think that I am a huge Trump fan and that isn't so, but I see where they might get the impression. I did vote for Trump, but only for the supreme court nomination and possibly keeping a conservative edge there. That and I seriously dislike Hillary.

Other than that I think the majority hate Trump just for the sake of hating Trump. Such as the case here with him awarding a Purple Heart Medal.

 

[Younigue]

It's not difficult... Congratulations, Tremendous, Melania and myself and neglecting a grateful nation for the man's service and sacrifice. It's Thank you, that's it. Trump is a moron. Plus and this is just my opinion I think the man will forever stumble over sincere gratitude because I don't think he is capable of feeling it or if he gets too close to feeling it his mind shuts down... He's Donald Trump after all, he owes no thanks but the world should thank him. This is his mentality before he even does a thing to earn it. It's a developmental stage he spit on rather than learn. May have even hired a prostitute to pee on it rather than learn to earn respect or gratitude.

 

[pcgeek11]

OK, so you fall under the category of hating Trump regardless of what he does or doesn't do.

 

[Younigue]

I have real serious doubts about that in all honesty. I know most people think that I am a huge Trump fan and that isn't so, but I see where they might get the impression. I did vote for Trump, but only for the supreme court nomination and possibly keeping a conservative edge there. That and I seriously dislike Hillary.

Other than that I think the majority hate Trump just for the sake of hating Trump. Such as the case here with him awarding a Purple Heart Medal.

My disdain is for the person Donald Trump. He can do no right because he does/says nothing right. It's always been the people around him if things are done well or appropriately. He's an ill-thinking, poorly-educated, self-involved to the point of inexcusable behavior, ignorant-spoken, buffoon. He started his Presidency with an astronomical personal deficit. Terrible President... when he threw his name in for the run for President it wasn't too early to deem him as such.

 

[Younigue]

OK, so you fall under the category of hating Trump regardless of what he does or doesn't do.

That is correct. He is filth.

 

[pcgeek11]

Hard to imagine living with that much hatred inside.

Wow.

 

[Younigue]

Hard to imagine living with that much hatred inside.

Wow.

Lol, well I don't think of him constantly. Plus it's not a hatred I typically allow to spill over to anything but this man and his appointed scum. My life moves with love and positivity in every other way. Your concern is... possibly misdirected. I've been respectful to you during this exchange have I not? Trump makes my skin crawl and it is absolutely my female intuition that dictates the reaction. You don't know me of course but my intuition is pretty well tuned, it has served me well.

 

[Younigue]

Hard to imagine living with that much hatred inside.

Wow.

To be clear, I was raised to not use the word hate and I have for the most part honored it with ease. Enter Trump... I use the word pertaining to him on the reg. these days and I've yet to feel ill over it. It does not consume all of me but it certainly consumes my thoughts on him.

Does that make you feel any better? Or am I just a lost cause? You know what, never mind. I'm not. Feeling pretty solid about me.

 

[pcgeek11]

Lol, well I don't think of him constantly. Plus it's not a hatred I typically allow to spill over to anything but this man and his appointed scum. My life moves with love and positivity in every other way. Your concern is... possibly misdirected. I've been respectful to you during this exchange have I not? Trump makes my skin crawl and it is absolutely my female intuition that dictates the reaction. You don't know me of course but my intuition is pretty well tuned, it has served me well.

To be clear, I was raised to not use the word hate and I have for the most part honored it with ease. Enter Trump... I use the word pertaining to him on the reg. these days and I've yet to feel ill over it. It does not consume all of me but it certainly consumes my thoughts on him.

Does that make you feel any better? Or am I just a lost cause? You know what, never mind. I'm not. Feeling pretty solid about me.

Yes, I feel like our conversation has been respectful all the way around.

I never meant to imply that you were a lost cause at all. It just seems to me reading the things that you write when you are discussing Trump that you are consumed with hatred for someone that you don't even know personally. Then again context is hard to garner from mere written words.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Coincidentally, being consumed by hatred for people you don't know won the presidency.

Con's, love to hate.

 

[pcgeek11]

Coincidentally, being consumed by hatred for people you don't know won the presidency.

Con's, love to hate.

I don't think that is true. As I read this you feel like the only reason Trump won the election is because conservatives voted for him out of hate for someone or some group of people. I think they voted due to being fed up with the government and politicians as they have been for decades. They wanted and desired a change from the same old lies and BS.

So do Dem's. Just to be totally honest about it.

 

[ch33zw1z]

So do Dem's. Just to be totally honest about it.

Sure, whatever helps you sleep at night.

No comment on campaign rhetoric catering to and fanning the fear and hate on the right?

 

[pcgeek11]

Sure, whatever helps you sleep at night.

No comment on campaign rhetoric catering to and fanning the fear and hate on the right?

Yeah right. Hillary calling the right The Deplorables. The # 1 enemy is the republicans etc... and many many more examples.

You know it and I know it.