Is it possible to get over depression?

mammador

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been kind of OK over the past few years, but cannot shake it off...just too much things impede me, and I cannot get it loose...

i know somebody, well we're not close friends but know each other well enough...she had it and she seems to have got over it...I just don't feel I have the support I need to do so....

So, is it possible?
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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I listened to what the counselor had to say. One of the big issues in my depression was the habit of replaying old "tapes." Reliving bad situations and feeling the pain all over again. I learned to catch myself when I start doing it because it quickly spirals down and out. Counselors, therapists and, clergy can help IF you're willing to listen.
 

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I suffered from suicidal bouts of depression for many years. I used to run to the top of the University of South Florida parking garages, look down, and consider jumping off. Some individual's depression might not go that far, but I understand where you're coming from. Depression can be tormenting to deal with; your brain says you're fine, but your heart says otherwise.

For me? I prayed. I prayed daily for about 2 years. One day, I woke up and I realized God had taken it all away. Sure, some of you may laugh, but that was nearly 5 years ago and I haven't felt depressed since.
 

MongGrel

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Got me, I think I've been depressed since my mom died in 1980 two weeks before my high school graduation in a car accident.

I've just said fuck it, went to Marine boot camp three months later I had all ready enlisted for during the hostage crisis at the time, that Argo thing, and kept going more or less.
 
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Kaido

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how did you do it?

Yes, you can get over it. Sometimes it's mental, sometimes it's physical. If you have a traumatic event happen, get some counseling. If you have something physical to deal with, identify it. Is it curable in 100% of all cases? I doubt it, but identifying the root cause is important.

For me, as strange as it may sound, it was food allergies. I was constantly sick and tired. I think even more than being sick all the the time, the constant fatigue is what put me into a depressed state. I stayed up late, had a hard time falling asleep, hard time staying asleep, hard time waking up. You just kind of go numb after awhile. Regardless of your root cause, my advice would be:

1. Start going to bed really early - don't stay up past 9:30pm. Earlier if you can do it. Lack of sleep breeds depression.

2. Improve your diet, if you're not already eating clean. You don't have to be crazy strict, but make sure you're getting enough protein, good carbs (veggies), and good fats. If you have depression, chances are you have low dopamine (brain chemical that makes you happy)

3. Exercise every day. Just something simple like a 15-minute brisk walk or using an exercise machine like a treadmill or stationary bike. To quote Legally Blonde, "Exercise gives you endorphins. Endorphins make you happy."

If you have depression, regardless of the cause, chances are:

1. You stay up late & do not get enough sleep
2. You have a poor diet
3. You do little or no exercise

That's not the case for 100% of the cases, but it's the case for the overwhelming majority of people I've met who suffer from depression. If you want to fix it, change your body's physical habits first. If you've already done that, get counseling. Depression is a lot more socially accepted these days, and even so, you can still get counseling in private. Personally, it didn't help me because my root cause was physical (food allergies), not emotional (trauma or otherwise). If you have depression, that partly means that your body's chemicals are out of whack, because otherwise you would be feeling the normal happy/sad routines that everyone else is feeling, instead of just a constant numb/sad combination that defines depression. Thus, you have a responsibility to take the best care of your body that you can so that you can create a healthy environment to start the healing process...if you're constantly tired, overweight, and don't kick off any endorphins through exercise, you're going to have a 1000% harder time fighting this because your body isn't in as optimal condition as it could be. Which is of course hard to actually do with depression.

The biggest struggle is actually making the changes. If you're depressed, it can be hard to muster up the mental motivation to actually go & see a therapist, get yourself to bed at a reasonable time, eat well, and do some exercise. Routine is SUPER important if you are struggling from depression...life goes on, whether you feel like it should or not. If I could offer one other piece of advice, it would be to take a shower, get dressed, and put your shoes on as soon as you wake up - then, at the very least, you are ready for the day. Otherwise it's super easy to sit around & not do anything all day if you have the day off or don't have work or school to show up for.

Part of it is mental, too - not in terms of depression or trauma or whatever, but in terms of understanding how the brain works. Aside from a root cause that is acting as an anchor to mute your emotions & make you feel depressed, a big key to learn is this: "thoughts create emotion". I learned about this concept in some books by David D. Burns, including "The Feeling Good Handbook":

http://www.amazon.com/Feeling-Good-H...dp/0452281326/

I would recommend buying this book by the same author:

http://www.amazon.com/Days-Self-Este.../dp/0688094554

It basically walks you through the nuts & bolts of the basic psychology of happiness, depression, moods, etc. It's a 10-day workbook & everything is laid out for you to follow. If you have depression, you kind of have to re-learn how to be happy, which is actually a good thing because this book helps you clarify what actually makes you happy & what makes you sad, which may sound dumb, but it's really important to have concrete knowledge of those things when you're depressed. So I guess if you wanted a list:

1. Work on identifying the root cause of your depression
2. Go to bed early (8pm if you can, I'm serious)
3. Eat a clean diet (homemade food, cut out preservatives & sugar, etc.)
4. Exercise daily (just 15 minutes of light cardio is fine, 30 minutes if you can handle it)
5. See a therapist (this doesn't make you a lesser person)
6. Create a routine (in particular: wake up, shower, get dressed, put your shoes on - that's #1)
7. Go through the workbook I linked above (10 days to self-esteem, as lame as that may sound - it will help take away the fog of how your emotions work)

Depression stinks. You can't really understand it unless you've been there. Here's some comics you can probably identify with:

http://imgur.com/a/Mg8ut?gallery

There's a few like this one in particular that explain it pretty well:

http://i.imgur.com/6UdXLSi.jpg

People try to be helpful, but it's an invisible illness...they just don't understand. It's a real & serious issue for people. Good luck man!
 
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Lyme disease helps keep people depressed. You would be surprised how often certain things like that can affect you and your auto immune system. What normally depresses us and we often get back up but fail to register mother natures component.
 

z1ggy

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I believe you can if you weren't severely depressed before. I was depressed during my teen and college years. School pressure was very high, and I had a break up with a girl friend that hit me pretty hard. I drank a LOT during that time which probably made it worse, because I was on medication for it.

However, once I graduated school and started a real life and got away from the whole college scene, it slowly faded. Sometimes now, I find myself getting small bouts of anxiety, but it lasts for maybe a day at most. Generally speaking, I would say that I am no longer depressed. Sure, I get down on myself once in a while, but I never have that feeling of, "ugh, I need to actually be conscious today and leave my bed?"
 

Kaido

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Lyme disease helps keep people depressed. You would be surprised how often certain things like that can affect you and your auto immune system. What normally depresses us and we often get back up but fail to register mother natures component.

Yeah definitely - speaking of which, I have a friend who got bit by a tick last year & didn't realize it. She got pretty depressed for about three weeks straight and was diagnosed with lyme disease. Got treatment, felt better. Yay Connecticut.
 
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Real depression takes real drugs to fix chemical imbalances in the brain. I went through it. It sucks. A few months later though and I was like new.
 

Kaido

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Real depression takes real drugs to fix chemical imbalances in the brain. I went through it. It sucks. A few months later though and I was like new.

Sometimes, sometimes not. For some people with stuff like PSTD (from say war), the problem is mental, not chemical. And for people with a chemical imbalance, it can be caused by a number of things. For me, it was a food allergy - constantly eating dairy & gluten did it. I have a from who had undiagnosed MS in the same situation.
 
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Sometimes, sometimes not. For some people with stuff like PSTD (from say war), the problem is mental, not chemical. And for people with a chemical imbalance, it can be caused by a number of things. For me, it was a food allergy - constantly eating dairy & gluten did it. I have a from who had undiagnosed MS in the same situation.

True.

Sorry. I just injected my experience as the only one. I still don't know what caused my issue. I'm guessing diet somehow.
 

Kaido

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True.

Sorry. I just injected my experience as the only one. I still don't know what caused my issue. I'm guessing diet somehow.

I think there's a lot of ways for it to be caused...I mean it can be something mental like witnessing a murder or accident, or physical like a food allergy or underlying disease.

I got into health & nutrition in my early 20's and all of a sudden started feeling like garbage - I only ate whole wheat bread, oatmeal, lots of milk, etc. in an effort to cut out white bread, soda, junk food, etc. Turns out I'm totally allergic to milk and bread, so that made me super-sick...eventually I got numb & depressed, especially from the constant fatigue. And in my case, they stuck dairy (whey, casein, lactose) and gluten in like, everything ever made, so it was constantly following me around even when I thought I was eating clean.

Earth life, man.
 

squarecut1

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I suffered from suicidal bouts of depression for many years. I used to run to the top of the University of South Florida parking garages, look down, and consider jumping off.

Don't mean to be intrusive, but may I ask what kept you from taking that step?
 

borosp1

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Part of Depression and anxiety has to do with the EGO (or inner monologue) we all have with ourselves. If we think negative thoughts (ie im not good enough, pretty, life sucks, etc...) and keep replaying the same thoughts in our head everyday it causes negative cycle. The other part of depression and anxiety has to do with living in the past and never appreciating the current moment your in. For example thinking life was better 10 years ago than it is today because A,B, and C.. ,and never appreciating or living in the present moment.

Some tips and suggestion in what helps me:
1 - check out this book "Just One Thing: Developing a Buddha Brain One Simple Practice at a Tim"
http://www.amazon.com/Just-One-Thing...dp/1608820319/
2 - Try to get excercise (walk around the block)
3 - get away from the computer/ electronics after 8 PM and sleep a regular schedule
4 - eat less bread, fried food, and meat... lethargic lifestyle makes you more depressed. Eating healthy will increase your energy.
5 - Try to talk with people, even small talk with random people or people at work which you have nothing in common with helps as you wont turtle/shell your feelings as much.
 
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mammador

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sorry, I like using electronics...i can't use them because some medical guru who thinks Buddha is great says so?
 

mammador

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I listened to what the counselor had to say. One of the big issues in my depression was the habit of replaying old "tapes." Reliving bad situations and feeling the pain all over again. I learned to catch myself when I start doing it because it quickly spirals down and out. Counselors, therapists and, clergy can help IF you're willing to listen.

Sorry, they don't treat clients equally....but yep, it's how they want society...

And I don't believe in God, and think sex without commitment is morally good, and that morals have no absolute basis....so I guess they should section me then because it's against their modern "Buddha" value system?
 
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mammador

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Yes, you can get over it. Sometimes it's mental, sometimes it's physical. If you have a traumatic event happen, get some counseling. If you have something physical to deal with, identify it. Is it curable in 100% of all cases? I doubt it, but identifying the root cause is important.

For me, as strange as it may sound, it was food allergies. I was constantly sick and tired. I think even more than being sick all the the time, the constant fatigue is what put me into a depressed state. I stayed up late, had a hard time falling asleep, hard time staying asleep, hard time waking up. You just kind of go numb after awhile. Regardless of your root cause, my advice would be:

1. Start going to bed really early - don't stay up past 9:30pm. Earlier if you can do it. Lack of sleep breeds depression.

2. Improve your diet, if you're not already eating clean. You don't have to be crazy strict, but make sure you're getting enough protein, good carbs (veggies), and good fats. If you have depression, chances are you have low dopamine (brain chemical that makes you happy)

3. Exercise every day. Just something simple like a 15-minute brisk walk or using an exercise machine like a treadmill or stationary bike. To quote Legally Blonde, "Exercise gives you endorphins. Endorphins make you happy."

If you have depression, regardless of the cause, chances are:

1. You stay up late & do not get enough sleep
2. You have a poor diet
3. You do little or no exercise

That's not the case for 100% of the cases, but it's the case for the overwhelming majority of people I've met who suffer from depression. If you want to fix it, change your body's physical habits first. If you've already done that, get counseling. Depression is a lot more socially accepted these days, and even so, you can still get counseling in private. Personally, it didn't help me because my root cause was physical (food allergies), not emotional (trauma or otherwise). If you have depression, that partly means that your body's chemicals are out of whack, because otherwise you would be feeling the normal happy/sad routines that everyone else is feeling, instead of just a constant numb/sad combination that defines depression. Thus, you have a responsibility to take the best care of your body that you can so that you can create a healthy environment to start the healing process...if you're constantly tired, overweight, and don't kick off any endorphins through exercise, you're going to have a 1000% harder time fighting this because your body isn't in as optimal condition as it could be. Which is of course hard to actually do with depression.

The biggest struggle is actually making the changes. If you're depressed, it can be hard to muster up the mental motivation to actually go & see a therapist, get yourself to bed at a reasonable time, eat well, and do some exercise. Routine is SUPER important if you are struggling from depression...life goes on, whether you feel like it should or not. If I could offer one other piece of advice, it would be to take a shower, get dressed, and put your shoes on as soon as you wake up - then, at the very least, you are ready for the day. Otherwise it's super easy to sit around & not do anything all day if you have the day off or don't have work or school to show up for.

Part of it is mental, too - not in terms of depression or trauma or whatever, but in terms of understanding how the brain works. Aside from a root cause that is acting as an anchor to mute your emotions & make you feel depressed, a big key to learn is this: "thoughts create emotion". I learned about this concept in some books by David D. Burns, including "The Feeling Good Handbook":

http://www.amazon.com/Feeling-Good-H...dp/0452281326/

I would recommend buying this book by the same author:

http://www.amazon.com/Days-Self-Este.../dp/0688094554

It basically walks you through the nuts & bolts of the basic psychology of happiness, depression, moods, etc. It's a 10-day workbook & everything is laid out for you to follow. If you have depression, you kind of have to re-learn how to be happy, which is actually a good thing because this book helps you clarify what actually makes you happy & what makes you sad, which may sound dumb, but it's really important to have concrete knowledge of those things when you're depressed. So I guess if you wanted a list:

1. Work on identifying the root cause of your depression
2. Go to bed early (8pm if you can, I'm serious)
3. Eat a clean diet (homemade food, cut out preservatives & sugar, etc.)
4. Exercise daily (just 15 minutes of light cardio is fine, 30 minutes if you can handle it)
5. See a therapist (this doesn't make you a lesser person)
6. Create a routine (in particular: wake up, shower, get dressed, put your shoes on - that's #1)
7. Go through the workbook I linked above (10 days to self-esteem, as lame as that may sound - it will help take away the fog of how your emotions work)

Depression stinks. You can't really understand it unless you've been there. Here's some comics you can probably identify with:

http://imgur.com/a/Mg8ut?gallery

There's a few like this one in particular that explain it pretty well:

http://i.imgur.com/6UdXLSi.jpg

People try to be helpful, but it's an invisible illness...they just don't understand. It's a real & serious issue for people. Good luck man!

I'm a flexible person...why must I change who I am because some medical researcher says it's "wrong"?
 

mammador

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I believe you can if you weren't severely depressed before. I was depressed during my teen and college years. School pressure was very high, and I had a break up with a girl friend that hit me pretty hard. I drank a LOT during that time which probably made it worse, because I was on medication for it.

However, once I graduated school and started a real life and got away from the whole college scene, it slowly faded. Sometimes now, I find myself getting small bouts of anxiety, but it lasts for maybe a day at most. Generally speaking, I would say that I am no longer depressed. Sure, I get down on myself once in a while, but I never have that feeling of, "ugh, I need to actually be conscious today and leave my bed?"


I can function well enough, and leave my bed anytime.....
 

borosp1

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sorry, I like using electronics...i can't use them because some medical guru who thinks Buddha is great says so?

Actually it has nothing to do with a medical guru and depression.. There are many studies that show if your connected and use/view electronics with unnatural light very close to bed time it disturbs your sleep. I was recommending it because this is what works for me.

Reading your replies to the others sounds like your very pessimistic and don't want to change your habits. If you genuinely have depression and anxiety you need to be open to thinking differently and trying things that you don't do as part of your daily routine to see if it will help you. You know the famous 'overused cliche' definition of insanity; "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

/B
 

mammador

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Actually it has nothing to do with a medical guru and depression.. There are many studies that show if your connected and use/view electronics with unnatural light very close to bed time it disturbs your sleep. I was recommending it because this is what works for me.

Reading your replies to the others sounds like your very pessimistic and don't want to change your habits. If you genuinely have depression and anxiety you need to be open to thinking differently and trying things that you don't do as part of your daily routine to see if it will help you. You know the famous 'overused cliche' definition of insanity; "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

/B


Sorry, I am who I am, and I like that (wow...unhealthy there, eh?) I don't want any therapist who pushes what s/he thinks Buddha did good. I don't want some doctor tell me not to message friends on Facebook late at night, or other things s/he deems "immoral" or "wrong", as if it affects him in any way...
 

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Sorry, I am who I am, and I like that (wow...unhealthy there, eh?) I don't want any therapist who pushes what s/he thinks Buddha did good. I don't want some doctor tell me not to message friends on Facebook late at night, or other things s/he deems "immoral" or "wrong", as if it affects him in any way...
then what's this whole thread about?

Blue light = not sleepy. Just read a book and shut out outside influences after a certain time, then go to bed.
 

Kaido

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I'm a flexible person...why must I change who I am because some medical researcher says it's "wrong"?

Wait, I'm confused, what do you mean?

You asked if it's possible to get over depression. It can be possible, but if you keep doing the same thing & expecting different results, then how are you going to fix anything? You can't get over something if you're not willing to make changes, you know? That doesn't mean you have to change who you are.

Let's start at the beginning. Look back up at #1 in my list - do you know what the root cause of your depression is, i.e. what is causing it? If not, you should work on figuring out what's causing it so that you can figure out the best way to deal with it.
 

Kaido

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Sorry, I am who I am, and I like that (wow...unhealthy there, eh?) I don't want any therapist who pushes what s/he thinks Buddha did good. I don't want some doctor tell me not to message friends on Facebook late at night, or other things s/he deems "immoral" or "wrong", as if it affects him in any way...

Can you tell us what exactly you are looking for? If you don't want help from a therapist...or a spiritual advisor...or a medical doctor...what exactly do you want?