Is it possible to defeat the terrorists?

[TechJunkie95242]

Can we defeat terrorism?

Locally...yes
Worldwide...no

We can subdue uprising and terrorist efforts but if you want to call anyone who kills another and is part of organized crime; then no we can't. I think its ridiculous Bush thinks we're doing anything to destroy terrorism over there. Infact we are just giving them more of an excuse and reason to become terrorists and to spark the flame of more radicalism amongst the population over in Middle East.

:disgust:

 

[Genesys]

Originally posted by: conjur
It needs to be fought from the foundations of it.

U.S. foreign policy is too focused on bombs and bullets instead of working with the various Arab governments to reform their own socio-economic programs in order to improve education and reduce poverty and to also reform basic human rights and religious freedoms.

as great as it would be to just sit these guys down and talk out our problems and differences, the reality of it all is this: they dont want to talk to us and they view us as the plague of humanity. they think that we're destroying society by allwoing women all the freedoms that we have, by allowing everyone the ability to speak out and have their voice heard, and by de-emphacizing religiong and morality in western culture/society. because they view us as so vile and evil, they only option for dealing with us is as dictated by their holy scripture, to wage holy war until they win.

i know liberals like to think that they really are open minded and informed of all possible angles of arguments, but in this case, you really do need to go and read the Koran from front to back. and when you decide to go do that, make sure you note the passages that mention the killing or enslavement of the infidels and about how the mission of islam is to [in effect] conquer the world.

 

[d3n]

Originally posted by: Genesys

Originally posted by: conjur
It needs to be fought from the foundations of it.

U.S. foreign policy is too focused on bombs and bullets instead of working with the various Arab governments to reform their own socio-economic programs in order to improve education and reduce poverty and to also reform basic human rights and religious freedoms.

as great as it would be to just sit these guys down and talk out our problems and differences, the reality of it all is this: they dont want to talk to us and they view us as the plague of humanity. they think that we're destroying society by allwoing women all the freedoms that we have, by allowing everyone the ability to speak out and have their voice heard, and by de-emphacizing religiong and morality in western culture/society. because they view us as so vile and evil, they only option for dealing with us is as dictated by their holy scripture, to wage holy war until they win.

i know liberals like to think that they really are open minded and informed of all possible angles of arguments, but in this case, you really do need to go and read the Koran from front to back. and when you decide to go do that, make sure you note the passages that mention the killing or enslavement of the infidels and about how the mission of islam is to [in effect] conquer the world.

This guy 'Gets it' It does not become any more condensed than this passage.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: d3n

Originally posted by: Genesys

Originally posted by: conjur
It needs to be fought from the foundations of it.

U.S. foreign policy is too focused on bombs and bullets instead of working with the various Arab governments to reform their own socio-economic programs in order to improve education and reduce poverty and to also reform basic human rights and religious freedoms.

as great as it would be to just sit these guys down and talk out our problems and differences, the reality of it all is this: they dont want to talk to us and they view us as the plague of humanity. they think that we're destroying society by allwoing women all the freedoms that we have, by allowing everyone the ability to speak out and have their voice heard, and by de-emphacizing religiong and morality in western culture/society. because they view us as so vile and evil, they only option for dealing with us is as dictated by their holy scripture, to wage holy war until they win.

i know liberals like to think that they really are open minded and informed of all possible angles of arguments, but in this case, you really do need to go and read the Koran from front to back. and when you decide to go do that, make sure you note the passages that mention the killing or enslavement of the infidels and about how the mission of islam is to [in effect] conquer the world.

This guy 'Gets it' It does not become any more condensed than this passage.

He "gets" nothing, even Christianity is about "Conquering the World".

[Godwin mode] it wasn't long ago that Jews were the scourge of humanity. Careful.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: katka
RESPECT them. Stop trying to force democracy and christianity on them, stop taking sides with Israel, stop trying to rule the world and rule the US. Then if they find themselves in difficulty they will place the blame on the appropriate person I think. Also, they are not materialistic, they obviously know money gets things but have a different pespective than the capitalistic mentality. Their faith and rights are non-negotioable. They are obviously willing to to die for them. Also, it depends on WHY they are terrorising. The muslims want to be left alone. The Palastines want their land back, etc.

this is one of the more naive posts i ahve seen "Stop trying to force democracy and christianity on them" ROFL!

that is not the problem, the problem is they want to force islam on YOU and every other "infidel" that is why islam has been spread mainly by violence since it began. read a history book.

Ah...more generalization from the ignorant point of view.

They all want to kill us, eh? Everyone of them, eh? That's what you are implying here.


Oh, but wait. What's this you wrote in your next post?

so the majority of iragi's who DO want us there opinions do not count for some reason? we should listen to the violent minority?

So, which is it, Shad0hawk? Do they all want to kill us or is just the violent minority?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: d3n

Originally posted by: Genesys

Originally posted by: conjur
It needs to be fought from the foundations of it.

U.S. foreign policy is too focused on bombs and bullets instead of working with the various Arab governments to reform their own socio-economic programs in order to improve education and reduce poverty and to also reform basic human rights and religious freedoms.

as great as it would be to just sit these guys down and talk out our problems and differences, the reality of it all is this: they dont want to talk to us and they view us as the plague of humanity. they think that we're destroying society by allwoing women all the freedoms that we have, by allowing everyone the ability to speak out and have their voice heard, and by de-emphacizing religiong and morality in western culture/society. because they view us as so vile and evil, they only option for dealing with us is as dictated by their holy scripture, to wage holy war until they win.

i know liberals like to think that they really are open minded and informed of all possible angles of arguments, but in this case, you really do need to go and read the Koran from front to back. and when you decide to go do that, make sure you note the passages that mention the killing or enslavement of the infidels and about how the mission of islam is to [in effect] conquer the world.

This guy 'Gets it' It does not become any more condensed than this passage.

The only he 'Gets' is the xenophobe award for generalizing that all Muslims want to conquer the world. If that were the case, then every Muslim across the world, esp. those here in the U.S. would be trying to kill any non-Muslim. I don't seem to recall seeing any headlines in my local paper recently about infidels being struck down by the righteous Muslim.

Hmmmm....

 

[chess9]

Not directly.

We can only nibble around the edges and come to compromises with those who are different.

We can't defeat the Black Muslims and they are right here in America. They want reparations, their own country and a Black Islamic State. Why aren't they an immediate threat to us? Perhaps we need an Abu Ghairib Prison here for the Black Muslims?

-Robert

 

[d3n]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: d3n

Originally posted by: Genesys

Originally posted by: conjur
It needs to be fought from the foundations of it.

U.S. foreign policy is too focused on bombs and bullets instead of working with the various Arab governments to reform their own socio-economic programs in order to improve education and reduce poverty and to also reform basic human rights and religious freedoms.

as great as it would be to just sit these guys down and talk out our problems and differences, the reality of it all is this: they dont want to talk to us and they view us as the plague of humanity. they think that we're destroying society by allwoing women all the freedoms that we have, by allowing everyone the ability to speak out and have their voice heard, and by de-emphacizing religiong and morality in western culture/society. because they view us as so vile and evil, they only option for dealing with us is as dictated by their holy scripture, to wage holy war until they win.

i know liberals like to think that they really are open minded and informed of all possible angles of arguments, but in this case, you really do need to go and read the Koran from front to back. and when you decide to go do that, make sure you note the passages that mention the killing or enslavement of the infidels and about how the mission of islam is to [in effect] conquer the world.

This guy 'Gets it' It does not become any more condensed than this passage.

The only he 'Gets' is the xenophobe award for generalizing that all Muslims want to conquer the world. If that were the case, then every Muslim across the world, esp. those here in the U.S. would be trying to kill any non-Muslim. I don't seem to recall seeing any headlines in my local paper recently about infidels being struck down by the righteous Muslim.

Hmmmm....

It was not meant to be a generalization. In every religion there are people on the 'extreme' fringe.

For Example, Christianity is not about conquering the world as there is nothing in the Christian bible that promotes this philosophy. Preach the word hear the word and accept it or do not. Now, the extreme of this group would look at the teachings of the bible and justify killing doctors who perform abortions.

Islam is no different, that is why you hear the term Muslim extremists so often. However these extremist Muslims have and agenda that extremist Christians of today do not. Islam is very intolerant to non-Muslims in the eyes of these extremists. Fortunately since the separation of the Christian church from the state, that has not been a big issue with Christianity for quite some time. However, the Islam extremists of today often actively encourage people to wage Jihad for the sake of Islam along the reasons outline in the first quote.

This is a very distinct problem. It is this outright hatred towards anyone that dose not accept Islam that breed the terrorist movement against this country. You will not hear about it in your local papers because it is not an issue in the local communities of this country. Muslims enjoy the same peace and quality of life as everyone else in most places. With a notable isolated exceptions due to the rational/irrational? fears of terrorism prompting some Muslims to become singled out for the actions of a few.

I encourage everyone to look and recognize the current issues of today. 'Extreme' factions of Islam have to be addressed since there really is no separating the issue by way of saying we are 'fighting terrorist not Islam' especially when extremist with islamic ideologies have their voices are heard above rational ones and blame the unholy United States for their problems in life. It is a fight that has been brought to the United States.

Ideologies are very hard to destroy with guns and bullets. I am not pro war. Yet, if this is the road that is continued on, the only way to defeat an ideology is to make the cost of war so terrible that a side has no will left to fight with. It will require utter and absolute devastation and domination. It is something the United States has done before, but again in that case it was also preemptively attacked. I personally would hate to see it go further down that road than it already has.

If you?ll notice, I have no solution I am just outlining my personal observations on the issue.

 

[PingSpike]

Terrorism can be stopped. It would require the extermination of the entire human race, but it can be stopped.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: d3n

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: d3n

Originally posted by: Genesys

Originally posted by: conjur
It needs to be fought from the foundations of it.

U.S. foreign policy is too focused on bombs and bullets instead of working with the various Arab governments to reform their own socio-economic programs in order to improve education and reduce poverty and to also reform basic human rights and religious freedoms.

as great as it would be to just sit these guys down and talk out our problems and differences, the reality of it all is this: they dont want to talk to us and they view us as the plague of humanity. they think that we're destroying society by allwoing women all the freedoms that we have, by allowing everyone the ability to speak out and have their voice heard, and by de-emphacizing religiong and morality in western culture/society. because they view us as so vile and evil, they only option for dealing with us is as dictated by their holy scripture, to wage holy war until they win.

i know liberals like to think that they really are open minded and informed of all possible angles of arguments, but in this case, you really do need to go and read the Koran from front to back. and when you decide to go do that, make sure you note the passages that mention the killing or enslavement of the infidels and about how the mission of islam is to [in effect] conquer the world.

This guy 'Gets it' It does not become any more condensed than this passage.

The only he 'Gets' is the xenophobe award for generalizing that all Muslims want to conquer the world. If that were the case, then every Muslim across the world, esp. those here in the U.S. would be trying to kill any non-Muslim. I don't seem to recall seeing any headlines in my local paper recently about infidels being struck down by the righteous Muslim.

Hmmmm....

It was not meant to be a generalization. In every religion there are people on the 'extreme' fringe.

For Example, Christianity is not about conquering the world as there is nothing in the Christian bible that promotes this philosophy. Preach the word hear the word and accept it or do not. Now, the extreme of this group would look at the teachings of the bible and justify killing doctors who perform abortions.

Islam is no different, that is why you hear the term Muslim extremists so often. However these extremist Muslims have and agenda that extremist Christians of today do not. Islam is very intolerant to non-Muslims in the eyes of these extremists. Fortunately since the separation of the Christian church from the state, that has not been a big issue with Christianity for quite some time. However, the Islam extremists of today often actively encourage people to wage Jihad for the sake of Islam along the reasons outline in the first quote.

This is a very distinct problem. It is this outright hatred towards anyone that dose not accept Islam that breed the terrorist movement against this country. You will not hear about it in your local papers because it is not an issue in the local communities of this country. Muslims enjoy the same peace and quality of life as everyone else in most places. With a notable isolated exceptions due to the rational/irrational? fears of terrorism prompting some Muslims to become singled out for the actions of a few.

I encourage everyone to look and recognize the current issues of today. 'Extreme' factions of Islam have to be addressed since there really is no separating the issue by way of saying we are 'fighting terrorist not Islam' especially when extremist with islamic ideologies have their voices are heard above rational ones and blame the unholy United States for their problems in life. It is a fight that has been brought to the United States.

Ideologies are very hard to destroy with guns and bullets. I am not pro war. Yet, if this is the road that is continued on, the only way to defeat an ideology is to make the cost of war so terrible that a side has no will left to fight with. It will require utter and absolute devastation and domination. It is something the United States has done before, but again in that case it was also preemptively attacked. I personally would hate to see it go further down that road than it already has.

If you?ll notice, I have no solution I am just outlining my personal observations on the issue.

You're new here. That'll excuse your ignorance of Genesys. He was not referring to the extremist Muslims. You see, he's an extremist Christian, himself, so any non-Christian is a bad person.

 

[TravisT]

Oh, great... yet some more liberal point of views. Idioticy is flowing on these forums.

Again, some facts, 9/11 happened, they never offered a reasonable alternative motive. So your suggestions are to go 'talk it out' with our buddies that just cut Berg's head off and expect them to shake Bush's hand without some type of bomb attached to them?

Great ideas.... again, you can't fight a war with sending a dozen roses and a nice card every year to the terrorists.

You guys have forgotten, they attacked us first. We're still fighting a pussy war here, it's time to turn it up a notch. I would like to hear some of you guys go talk to Berg's family with your suggestions of 'talking it out' with Arab governments to help them change... something that obviously wasn't going to be an option with Suddam Hussein.

I guess we expected with a nice supply of his oil to make him millions of dollars that he would be willing to shut down his rape and torture chambers and that he'd help the education issue.

WTF, open your eyes dumbasses, that's not ever going to happen. These people hate us and they want to kill us. It's not just dislike, if they had the chance they'd kill each and every one of us.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: TravisT
Oh, great... yet some more liberal point [sic] of views [sic]. Idioticy [sic] is flowing on these forums.

Is that a new Bushism you're using there or is it just an example of irony?

Again, some facts, 9/11 happened, they never offered a reasonable alternative motive. So your suggestions are to go 'talk it out' with our buddies that just cut Berg's head off and expect them to shake Bush's hand without some type of bomb attached to them?

Great ideas.... again, you can't fight a war with sending a dozen roses and a nice card every year to the terrorists.

Wrong. Of course talking w/Al Qaeda will result in nothing. It's talking with the governments that foster that type of mindset. If you'd open your mind enough and actual learn how to think instead of being spoonfed GOP propaganda from Limbaugh, Hannity, Medved, etc., you might actually learn a thing or two.

You guys have forgotten, they attacked us first. We're still fighting a pussy war here, it's time to turn it up a notch. I would like to hear some of you guys go talk to Berg's family with your suggestions of 'talking it out' with Arab governments to help them change... something that obviously wasn't going to be an option with Suddam Hussein.

You're mixing the war on terror with the war on Iraq. We should never have gone into Iraq until Afghanistan was cleansed of Al Qaeda and a working government setup.

I guess we expected with a nice supply of his oil to make him millions of dollars that he would be willing to shut down his rape and torture chambers and that he'd help the education issue.

WTF, open your eyes dumbasses, that's not ever going to happen. These people hate us and they want to kill us. It's not just dislike, if they had the chance they'd kill each and every one of us.

More banal insults. Sure is a good way to sell your viewpoint there, sparky!

:roll:

 

[Genx87]

Only way to really defeat them is through a two pronged attack.

1. You need to kill them when you find them. You also need to cutoff their money supplies so they cant buy what they need as easy. Basically take the military approach to it.
2. You need to help create an atmosphere where the terrorists truely look like the bad guys. If you get people a lifestyle that is good and they have something to lose they will probably turn on the terrorists because the terrorists will fvck it up for them. Right now the ME for the most part is a very poor region and thus people have nothing to lose. Terrorism is a way for them to vent their anger about the failings up their govts. It is a vicious cycle IMO. Terrorists and fundamentalists keep the people down and the people get pissed and thus gravitate to the terrorists.

 

[beyoku]

No - in 2005 when bush is still in office he will start blaming all domestic murders on "terrorism"

 

[glenn1]

Ideologies are very hard to destroy with guns and bullets. I am not pro war. Yet, if this is the road that is continued on, the only way to defeat an ideology is to make the cost of war so terrible that a side has no will left to fight with. It will require utter and absolute devastation and domination. It is something the United States has done before, but again in that case it was also preemptively attacked. I personally would hate to see it go further down that road than it already has.

You stated very well what I touched on in my post. Defeating the idea of facism required firebombing Europe to a crisp and dropping two atomic weapons on Japan. Only when we brought them that close to the edge of the abyss did the ideology finally let loose its grip. I fear what it's going to require this time to achieve the same result.

 

[katka]

Please post more. A lot of people are very shortsighted - OMG look at those savages!!! Let's fvck them up good... nukes, full out military states etc etc. You have to realize these people have some motiviation, some reason for doing what they do. Think about why they are doing it, and then see if you can prevent, rather than retaliate. The US goes into the Mid East, people want them out, people REALLY want them out, people become terrorists, people do things to the US, US goes further into Mid East, terrorists retaliate, US does more, terrorists do more...

If you think that the US is right why are you sitting behind the keyboard instead of a gun???? Get to your nearest Recruiter and get over there and fight for your freedom. If people should not backdown and sit around with their tail between their legs then why are you????

There should not be a person who is for that War that is able to post on this board. You should all be there supporting the cause for which you so strongly believe.

this is one of the more naive posts i ahve seen "Stop trying to force democracy and christianity on them" ROFL!

that is not the problem, the problem is they want to force islam on YOU and every other "infidel" that is why islam has been spread mainly by violence since it began. read a history book.

here are some objective facts for you.

the "palestines" land" is actually jewish land, at least that is what the archealogical evidence shows anyway...

there has never been a nation called "palestine"..ever.

there is no distinct palestinian culture differentiating them from other arabs such as jordanians and egyptians

there is no palestinian language, or arabic dialect.

arafat is an egyptian.

the region of palestine got it's name in 135 ad when the roman emperor hadrian expelled the jews and renamed the roman province of "judea" to "palestina"(the jews were upset because the romans were occupying thier land...and the romans got tired of revolts)


as far as the prison thing goes what these soldiers did was wrong, and it is the responsibility lies with themselves. but you have to remember the many of the iraqi's being "humiliated" were the ones doing the torturing and humiliating of others about a year ago.

i know some hindi who say it was their karma catching up with them...maybe they have a point.

I think that you need to read your bible, is it not the jew who were roaming and scatterd about without a homeland? This is why the wanted what's his name to let their people go????

Come on now. The "civilized" people of this world have taken over country and country by pimping the bible on people. The Indians, the Zulu nation, the Inuit, etc. How do you think that the US came about?????? It is you who are naive. The problem is the Christainity trick isn't working on the Muslims. I can't EVER remember seeing Muslims going from country to country trying to convert people. People seek it out.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Of course not, terrorism isn't a people, it's an idea. You cannot defeat an idea by any means. It's the largest action in futility ever undertaken.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: sandorski
Lead by example. If your way is superior, eventually people will see it and mimmick it.

unless they kill you first.

Like that's remotely possible. :roll:

 

[MoFunk]

Wrong. Of course talking w/Al Qaeda will result in nothing. It's talking with the governments that foster that type of mindset. If you'd open your mind enough and actual learn how to think instead of being spoonfed GOP propaganda from Limbaugh, Hannity, Medved, etc., you might actually learn a thing or two.

So where do you think groups like Al Qaeda get there money? They get it from governments like IRAN and IRAQ!

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: katka
RESPECT them. Stop trying to force democracy and christianity on them, stop taking sides with Israel, stop trying to rule the world and rule the US. Then if they find themselves in difficulty they will place the blame on the appropriate person I think. Also, they are not materialistic, they obviously know money gets things but have a different pespective than the capitalistic mentality. Their faith and rights are non-negotioable. They are obviously willing to to die for them. Also, it depends on WHY they are terrorising. The muslims want to be left alone. The Palastines want their land back, etc.

OMFGROFLMFAO.

This has to be sarcasm.

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: sandorski
Lead by example. If your way is superior, eventually people will see it and mimmick it.

unless they kill you first.

Like that's remotely possible. :roll:

No, it isn't likely. Wouldn't be very logical to kill their supporters.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Shanti

Originally posted by: katka
RESPECT them. Stop trying to force democracy and christianity on them, stop taking sides with Israel, stop trying to rule the world and rule the US. Then if they find themselves in difficulty they will place the blame on the appropriate person I think. Also, they are not materialistic, they obviously know money gets things but have a different pespective than the capitalistic mentality. Their faith and rights are non-negotioable. They are obviously willing to to die for them. Also, it depends on WHY they are terrorising. The muslims want to be left alone. The Palastines want their land back, etc.

OMFGROFLMFAO.

This has to be sarcasm.

No, it's actually one of the better responses in this thread.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: katka
RESPECT them. Stop trying to force democracy and christianity on them, stop taking sides with Israel, stop trying to rule the world and rule the US. Then if they find themselves in difficulty they will place the blame on the appropriate person I think. Also, they are not materialistic, they obviously know money gets things but have a different pespective than the capitalistic mentality. Their faith and rights are non-negotioable. They are obviously willing to to die for them. Also, it depends on WHY they are terrorising. The muslims want to be left alone. The Palastines want their land back, etc.

Cliff notes: Appease them, while you try to understand them.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: katka
RESPECT them. Stop trying to force democracy and christianity on them, stop taking sides with Israel, stop trying to rule the world and rule the US. Then if they find themselves in difficulty they will place the blame on the appropriate person I think. Also, they are not materialistic, they obviously know money gets things but have a different pespective than the capitalistic mentality. Their faith and rights are non-negotioable. They are obviously willing to to die for them. Also, it depends on WHY they are terrorising. The muslims want to be left alone. The Palastines want their land back, etc.

Cliff notes: Appease them, while you try to understand them.

Here's some understanding for katka (taken from a Bin-Laden statement released less than a month after 9/11):

I bear witness that there is no God but Allah and that Mohammed is his messenger. There is America, hit by God in one of its softest spots. Its greatest buildings were destroyed, thank God for that.

There is America, full of fear from its north to its south, from its west to its east. Thank God for that.

 

[d3n]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Shanti

Originally posted by: katka
RESPECT them. Stop trying to force democracy and christianity on them, stop taking sides with Israel, stop trying to rule the world and rule the US. Then if they find themselves in difficulty they will place the blame on the appropriate person I think. Also, they are not materialistic, they obviously know money gets things but have a different pespective than the capitalistic mentality. Their faith and rights are non-negotioable. They are obviously willing to to die for them. Also, it depends on WHY they are terrorising. The muslims want to be left alone. The Palastines want their land back, etc.

OMFGROFLMFAO.

This has to be sarcasm.

No, it's actually one of the better responses in this thread.

There is a saying in Christianity that people come to God when they are down. Well, a vast majority of the Muslim faith can be found in third world countries. Couple that with the intolerant nature of some specific passages in the Koran and you have a vast following of suppressed Muslims flocking to Islam as a way to God. They are very attentive and believing when they are told that non musilims can be blamed for their problems in life.
Islam is at the core of this issue. It?s about what each and every individual who participates in that religion gets out of it so in turn it means many things to many people. Many have simply found it an outlet to rally behind in the name of a so called ?jihad? so that they can vent their hatred and frustrations.