Is it just me or...

[Pepsei]

Damn it ! why can 't we white people have a white casino.


Oh wait.... I mean, why can't we have a chinese casino, we worked on those railroads.... we deserve it...

er how about an african tribal casino?

 

[0roo0roo]

yea, and the indians and their rules on what % of racial makeup to qualify as indian... what is it now? 1/8th? so its like a race based state now, one that defines itself by race and racial percentages and purity.. doesn't smack of nazi germany and its racial science and such a bit u think?

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: syadnom
causeing crime is not the issue. freedom itself causes crime but that is not a valid reason to outlaw freedom. anyway, my issue with indians and casinos is that indians can have casinos in areas where non-indians cannot. this is unfair and i believe is violates the right that all men(people) are created equal, because they have advantages because of birth race and the disadvantage of predjudice is bullsh*t as their race gets them specific oportunities and college funding and small business funding etc etc. i just happen to be a white minority and im pissed that i can't get a small business loan but an indian can get twice the money im looking for without a problem. AND he can open a casino with it.

they take advantage of the treaties put in place between the various indian nations and the US.

there is nothing wrong with that.

 

[DurocShark]

Wow. Some of you need to go back to 7th grade history and read about reservations. Reservations were created by treaties. Tribes were, at the time, separate nations from the US. The US government wanted the indian land. Plain and simple. Indians, however, didn't want the federals to have the land. Tribes banded together and started fighting back.

If the federals hadn't ceeded land to native tribes, the battles would have gone on for many more years (probably decades) with the indians ultimately losing EVERYTHING, and many many lives on both sides lost.

I'll grant that today it seems a bit silly, but in the 1700's and 1800's when these wars were fought and the treaties signed, it was very serious. Tribes were given nearly absolute governmental control over the reservations. Only a few federal rights were kept by the US government. It is safe to say that reservations are nations within a nation.

How do we take this away? How do we say, "Sorry, but reservations don't make any sense any more. So please go away?" Remember that the natives were here long before europeans. That would be like saying, "Sorry, we never should have brought your ancestors here as slaves. Please go back to Africa," to blacks.

States and the federal government have been trying for decades to draw American Indians out of the reservations and into general soceity. It has failed for the most part. However, things like casinos are creating an industry the American Indians can be part of. Is it the best choice? Probably not. Is it the only one that would work right now? Yes.

Even with the Vegas casinos getting a big chunk of the cash, and even with the average indian not receiving a dime from it directly, the infusion of cash into American Indian soceities WILL make a difference. Quality of life will go up over time. Self confidence in a traditionally poor people will rise. Future generations will find strength and pride in themselves where it is lacking in current and previous generations.

I have many friends who "escaped" from the Navajo reservation. Life for average tribal members is horrid. Living conditions wouldn't be tolerated in the poorest southern town, but are accepted as normal for many native americans.

I wish the casinos all the success they are capable of, and hope for future prosperity for all Americans, regardless of what race they may be.

IRS Definition of Reservations:

What is a reservation?

An Indian reservation is land a tribe reserved for itself when it relinquished its other land areas to the U. S. through treaties. More recently, Congressional acts, Executive Orders and administrative acts have created reservations.

There are approximately 275 Indian land areas in the U. S. administered as Indian reservations (reservations, pueblos, rancherias, communities, etc.). The largest is the Navajo Reservation of some 16 million acres of land in Arizona, New Mexico, and Utah. Many of the smaller reservations are less than 1,000 acres with the smallest less than 100 acres. On each reservation, the local governing authority is the tribal government.

Approximately 56.2 million acres of land are held in trust by the United States for various Indian tribes and individuals. Much of this is reservation land; however, not all reservation land is trust land. The states in which reservations are located have limited powers over them, and only as provided by Federal law. On some reservations, however, a high percentage of land is owned and occupied by non-Indians. Some 140 reservations have entirely tribally owned land.

And:

What is Indian Country?

In Title 18, Crimes and Criminal Procedure, Part I. Crimes, Chapter 53. Indians, or 18 USCS @1151, Indian Country was defined in 1948. It says, ? Except as otherwise provided in sections 1154 and 1156 of this title, the term 'Indian Country', as used in this chapter {18 USCS @ 1151 et. seq.}, means (a) all land within the limits of any Indian reservation under the jurisdiction of the United States Government, notwithstanding the issuance of any patent, and, including rights-of-way running through the reservation, (b) all dependent Indian communities within the borders of the United States whether within the original or subsequently acquired territory thereof, and whether within or without the limits of a state, and (c) all Indian allotments, the Indian titles to which have not been extinguished, including rights-of-way running through the same?.

The codified definition above was enacted in regard to criminal statutes. For application of the IRC as it pertains to Indian tribes, civil courts rely on this statute in part. There is no generic definition for Indian Country applicable to all tribes. Once again, treaties and more recent legislation, such as the Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act of 1971, must be considered on a case-by-case basis.

Another concept of Indian Country is illustrated in a recent Alaska Native case. In Alaska v. Native Village of Venetie Tribal Government, the Supreme Court held that lands owned in fee simple of a tribal government following the Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act did not constitute Indian country under 18 USC @ 1151 (Alaska v. Native Village of Venetie Tribal Government, U.S. Supreme Court No. 96-1577).

Some attributes of Indian Country are:

generally non-alienable;
often not contiguous;
within the borders of the United States;
within the jurisdiction of a Federally recognized Indian tribe;
not part of the Alaska Native Settlements Claim Act.

Casino gaming:

What is the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act?

In the landmark decision in California v. Cabazon Band of Mission Indians, the U. S. Supreme Court held that the state of California had no authority to apply its Regulatory statutes to gambling activities conducted in Indian Country.

The Indian Gaming Regulatory Act (IGRA), 25 U.S.C. sections 2701 et seq., enacted in 1988, quickly followed to provide a statutory basis for regulation of tribal games. This law allows traditional Indian gaming as well as bingo, pull tabs, lotto, punchboards, tip jars, and certain card games on tribal land. However, it requires a Tribal/State compact for other forms of gaming such as cards or slot machines. Today there are about 145 Tribal-State gaming compacts. Nearly 130 tribes in 24 states are involved in some kind of gaming.

The National Indian Gaming Commission (NIGC) was established by Congress to develop regulations for Indian gaming.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: DurocShark
Wow. Some of you need to go back to 7th grade history and read about reservations. Reservations were created by treaties. Tribes were, at the time, separate nations from the US. The US government wanted the indian land. Plain and simple. Indians, however, didn't want the federals to have the land. Tribes banded together and started fighting back.

If the federals hadn't ceeded land to native tribes, the battles would have gone on for many more years (probably decades) with the indians ultimately losing EVERYTHING, and many many lives on both sides lost.

I'll grant that today it seems a bit silly, but in the 1700's and 1800's when these wars were fought and the treaties signed, it was very serious. Tribes were given nearly absolute governmental control over the reservations. Only a few federal rights were kept by the US government. It is safe to say that reservations are nations within a nation.

How do we take this away? How do we say, "Sorry, but reservations don't make any sense any more. So please go away?" Remember that the natives were here long before europeans. That would be like saying, "Sorry, we never should have brought your ancestors here as slaves. Please go back to Africa," to blacks.

States and the federal government have been trying for decades to draw American Indians out of the reservations and into general soceity. It has failed for the most part. However, things like casinos are creating an industry the American Indians can be part of. Is it the best choice? Probably not. Is it the only one that would work right now? Yes.

Even with the Vegas casinos getting a big chunk of the cash, and even with the average indian not receiving a dime from it directly, the infusion of cash into American Indian soceities WILL make a difference. Quality of life will go up over time. Self confidence in a traditionally poor people will rise. Future generations will find strength and pride in themselves where it is lacking in current and previous generations.

I have many friends who "escaped" from the Navajo reservation. Life for average tribal members is horrid. Living conditions wouldn't be tolerated in the poorest southern town, but are accepted as normal for many native americans.

I wish the casinos all the success they are capable of, and hope for future prosperity for all Americans, regardless of what race they may be.

While the history of how Indians and any other minority was treated is regrettable, the conditions they live in today are of their own making.

You mention "friends" who "escaped" the reservations. If they could do it, so could everyone else.

Reservation Indians are there of their own choosing now. They live in that squalor by their own choice.

I stand by my statement that separatism, both cultural and physical is the ONLY difference between unsuccessful and successful minority groups.

Why are casinos helping the American Indian? Because they found something that brings the REST OF SOCIETY to them. It is intergrating them. In short, it's a big fuscking wake up call that they cannot exist in a vacuum and shun the rest of society.

 

[DurocShark]

Originally posted by: Amused

Why are casinos helping the American Indian? Because they found something that brings the REST OF SOCIETY to them. It is intergrating them. In short, it's a big fuscking wake up call that they cannot exist in a vacuum and shun the rest of society.

I don't disagree with anything you said. But it's finally happening and it's working.

The problem is that it won't happen by legislation. The "welfare" money the government gives the tribes perpetuates the problem. It creates a comfort zone that people fear leaving.

I just think the casinos are a great idea! Not perfect, but functional.

 

[SpunkyJones]

Originally posted by: Philippine Mango

Originally posted by: PowerMac4Ever
Why is this retard still posting?

Why is this retard still posting?

Echolalia is a classic sign of Autism.

 

[NesuD]

Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
I've been seeing more and more of this indian casino thing which is pissing me off because of the problems that casinos cause...

LOL!! where have you been this Indian casino thing has been out of control for a long time now. Personally I have no real problems with the basic idea. I just have issues with basically the absolute lack of any kind of regulation. If they want to run casinos on the reservations thats their business in my opinion. The reservations are basically mini soveriegn entitys so any casinos there are really their affair. My problems with the Indian casinos are when they buy a city block of property in an Urban downtown area and then claim it is part of the reservation that is literally hundreds of miles away and proceed to open up an Indian casino. I'm sorry but in my opinion if a tribe buys property that is not contiguous to the reservation then It is in no way part of the reservation. They should be no different than any other property owner in that respect.

 

[PimpJuice]

Its just you.

 

[PimpJuice]

Originally posted by: syadnom
causeing crime is not the issue. freedom itself causes crime but that is not a valid reason to outlaw freedom. anyway, my issue with indians and casinos is that indians can have casinos in areas where non-indians cannot. this is unfair and i believe is violates the right that all men(people) are created equal, because they have advantages because of birth race and the disadvantage of predjudice is bullsh*t as their race gets them specific oportunities and college funding and small business funding etc etc. i just happen to be a white minority and im pissed that i can't get a small business loan but an indian can get twice the money im looking for without a problem. AND he can open a casino with it.

huh?

 

[Atomicus]

Originally posted by: PimpJuice

Originally posted by: syadnom
causeing crime is not the issue. freedom itself causes crime but that is not a valid reason to outlaw freedom. anyway, my issue with indians and casinos is that indians can have casinos in areas where non-indians cannot. this is unfair and i believe is violates the right that all men(people) are created equal, because they have advantages because of birth race and the disadvantage of predjudice is bullsh*t as their race gets them specific oportunities and college funding and small business funding etc etc. i just happen to be a white minority and im pissed that i can't get a small business loan but an indian can get twice the money im looking for without a problem. AND he can open a casino with it.

huh?

Quite true according to the US Census over the past DECADES. The US is actually more ethnically diverse than you'd think. PUSH OUT THE WHITIES! j/k

 

[mrrman]

its all about $$$$$$

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: DurocShark

Originally posted by: Amused

Why are casinos helping the American Indian? Because they found something that brings the REST OF SOCIETY to them. It is intergrating them. In short, it's a big fuscking wake up call that they cannot exist in a vacuum and shun the rest of society.

I don't disagree with anything you said. But it's finally happening and it's working.

The problem is that it won't happen by legislation. The "welfare" money the government gives the tribes perpetuates the problem. It creates a comfort zone that people fear leaving.

BINGO!!!

Welfare perpetuates poverty. Any unearned entitlement will.

 

[gigapet]

Dear Troll,

Where do you come up with this utter bullsh!t?

Regards,

Gigapet

 

[PingSpike]

After stealing all their land, killing off their food source, massacring their people and largely destroying their culture...I think the absolute least we can do is let them run a few fvcking casinos.

We owe them a hell of a lot more than that.

Edit: Obligatory typo fix

 

[artikk]

Originally posted by: PingSpike
I've stealing all their land, killing off their food source, massacring their people and largely destroying their culture...I think the absolute least we can do is let them run a few fvcking casinos.

We owe them a hell of a lot more than that.

:thumbsup:

 

[brtspears2]

I just love how my 3 local indian casinos have become a pissing contest to see who can build the bigger, better casino. (San Manuel Bingo and Casino, Casino Morongo, Pechanga Resort and Casino)

On another note, want Vegas style craps in the California casinos.

 

[MrMaster]

Originally posted by: russianpower

Originally posted by: PingSpike
I've stealing all their land, killing off their food source, massacring their people and largely destroying their culture...I think the absolute least we can do is let them run a few fvcking casinos.

We owe them a hell of a lot more than that.

:thumbsup:

I disagree. I didn't do anything to them and my family didn't even live in America 100 years ago. I owe them NOTHING.

I'm all for casinos but I think it is crap that only Indians can build them. Plus, even if you are 1/8th, at least in WI you still get a check from the casinos.

 

[Kanalua]

LArgest Reservation in teh COuntry, NAvajo NAtion = No gambling (Casinos)

 

[Fausto]

Motion to ban on ground of Felony Stupidity and Conspiracy to Commit Lameness.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Pepsei
Damn it ! why can 't we white people have a white casino.


Oh wait.... I mean, why can't we have a chinese casino, we worked on those railroads.... we deserve it...

Maybe you can ask for one in China?

Why not take their reservations while we are at? Lord knows we have taken everything else from them except the scrant pieces of land that were considered uninhabitable by the white man...

<--1/8th Cherokee

 

[Pepsei]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Pepsei
Damn it ! why can 't we white people have a white casino.


Oh wait.... I mean, why can't we have a chinese casino, we worked on those railroads.... we deserve it...

Maybe you can ask for one in China?

Why not take their reservations while we are at? Lord knows we have taken everything else from them except the scrant pieces of land that were considered uninhabitable by the white man...

<--1/8th Cherokee

China? I heard they execute people in China for gambling.

 

[MiniDoom]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Pepsei
Damn it ! why can 't we white people have a white casino.


Oh wait.... I mean, why can't we have a chinese casino, we worked on those railroads.... we deserve it...

Maybe you can ask for one in China?

Why not take their reservations while we are at? Lord knows we have taken everything else from them except the scrant pieces of land that were considered uninhabitable by the white man...

<--1/8th Cherokee

<--Didn?t take anyone?s land, and nobody has taken my land so I don?t know what you talking about.
<--1/2 Osage

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

I went to my first casino last week. I started with $20, went down to $10, turned that in for dollar coins, ended up with $65. yeah!

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Pepsei

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Pepsei
Damn it ! why can 't we white people have a white casino.


Oh wait.... I mean, why can't we have a chinese casino, we worked on those railroads.... we deserve it...

Maybe you can ask for one in China?

Why not take their reservations while we are at? Lord knows we have taken everything else from them except the scrant pieces of land that were considered uninhabitable by the white man...

<--1/8th Cherokee

China? I heard they execute people in China for gambling.

Ok, let me put it another way....Our forefathers enslaved black people and Chinese people, but did we take their land and if they resisted killed them and their children? I don't recall Christopher Columbus sailing to Africa or China saying this land is mine, do you?

How would you like it your new neighbor discovered your car one day and claimed it as their own? Don't like it, here's some beads now go away before before he shoots you.

"Woah, wait a minute, is the a Sony WEGA I see in your living room, I call dibs"

"Wow, your daughter is kind of purdy...mind if I have my way with her...ummm of course you don't mind"