is it fair to get fired for this.....

[UNCjigga]

LOL, funny how in law school and bschool everyone brags about their full offer details, but in the workplace its all hush hush.

 

[Alex]

Originally posted by: chuckywang
that's harsh, man.

 

[jdub1107]

It's Darwinism. If you can't hang with others around you, just get out.

 

[HomeBrewerDude]

I worked for a start up once and someone sent out an Excel sheet showing EVERYONE's salary... there were huge disparities and it was a complete mess for weeks.

 

[ctcsoft]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: Hammer
its super bad for morale...

You mean knowing how much your coworkers makes or knowing that any little thing you say might get you fired, so you had better keep your mouth shut?

yeah screw that. I mean whats good for the company isn't necessarily good for the workers.

If I found out some lazy a$$ was making more than me, then I'd be pissed to.. I think every should be paid on scale with bonuses if their performance is super good.

 

[aphex]

If your an 'at will' employee, you can be fired for pretty much anything.

 

[dr150]

Originally posted by: spacelord
I believe its legal. Most companies highly discourage it.

They don't want employees discussing how exploited they are.


I've always compared salaries with fellow co-waorkers. Plus, I've slept with female colleagues in every job I've had, including female bosses and higher ups--including the military where this is prohibited. Is this wrong? I don't think so. It's just nature.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: jdub1107

Originally posted by: Amused

Again, life is not fair. Get used to it.

"Fair" is very tricky. You can be free, or you can be fair. You CANNOT be both. Fairness is oppression, freedom is not fair. Fairness is the oppression of the many to accommodate the few. It is one group of people giving up their rights to another group.

Simplistically, it is cutting off all football players legs because a legless man demands the right to play on a "fair" playing field.

What do you choose? Fair, or free?

The football analogy is totally different. I'm not saying someone that is incapable of something should try to bring others down. I'm talking about someone who does the same or more than another but gets paid less. It has nothing to do with oppressing, unless you're saying I'm oppressing the employer by taking their right to pay whatever they want. Which I'm not doing.
This is just my opinion. I think things would work better this way. I know that's not how things work, but I feel that's how it should work.
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No, it's not. It's a very real example of "fairness" over freedom.

The employer should have the right to pay his employees whatever he wants. If he likes one more, or feels one is more valuable, he should have every right to pay them more than others. And it's NONE of anyone else's business.

Calling for parity in wages takes away that freedom from employers. It also takes away the freedom of people better able to sell themselves and their skills. You are cutting off ther legs to make the field "fair."

 

[GeekDrew]

Yes, I am bumping an old (well... old-ish) thread... I'll take the flames. This is important enough.

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: ctcsoft

coworker of mine got fired for discussing his wage with another employee.

is this fair/legal?

There's no law that says you can't be fired for discussing your wages. That leaves it up to companies to put clauses in their employee handbook and other HR documentation to handle it. Some companies specify that discussing wages is against company policy and punishable by termination.

WRONG you are.

I happened to be researching nursing homes tonight, and discovered that there are federal laws that prevent termination on the basis of discussing wages. I happen to have a very good friend in Chicago that is a paralegal, and whose brother is a lawyer... I gave them a shout, and they both confirmed that most employers do not know that the law is on the books, and many attorneys are making a lot of money from settlements regarding terminations over wage discussions.

I suggest that if you still believe that you are prohibited from discussing your wages, please contact an attorney ASAP, that is well versed in employee and employer rights.

Here happen to be three links to the same case:

National Labor Relations Board,
Petitioner/Cross-Respondent,
v.
Main Street Terrace Care Center,
Respondent/Cross-Petitioner.

http://www.nlrb.gov/nlrb/shared_files/decisions/327/327-101.htm
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/g...se.pl?court=6th&navby=case&no=00a0218p
http://accounting.smartpros.com/x27337.xml

I'm assured by my legal friends that there is plenty of other case law out there that will assist employees that have been wrongly fired for the reason that they were discussing their pay with another employee or with anyone else.

Hope that someone finds this useful.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: GeekDrew
Yes, I am bumping an old (well... old-ish) thread... I'll take the flames. This is important enough.

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: ctcsoft

coworker of mine got fired for discussing his wage with another employee.

is this fair/legal?

There's no law that says you can't be fired for discussing your wages. That leaves it up to companies to put clauses in their employee handbook and other HR documentation to handle it. Some companies specify that discussing wages is against company policy and punishable by termination.

WRONG you are.

I happened to be researching nursing homes tonight, and discovered that there are federal laws that prevent termination on the basis of discussing wages. I happen to have a very good friend in Chicago that is a paralegal, and whose brother is a lawyer... I gave them a shout, and they both confirmed that most employers do not know that the law is on the books, and many attorneys are making a lot of money from settlements regarding terminations over wage discussions.

I suggest that if you still believe that you are prohibited from discussing your wages, please contact an attorney ASAP, that is well versed in employee and employer rights.

Here happen to be three links to the same case:

National Labor Relations Board,
Petitioner/Cross-Respondent,
v.
Main Street Terrace Care Center,
Respondent/Cross-Petitioner.

http://www.nlrb.gov/nlrb/shared_files/decisions/327/327-101.htm
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/g...se.pl?court=6th&navby=case&no=00a0218p
http://accounting.smartpros.com/x27337.xml

I'm assured by my legal friends that there is plenty of other case law out there that will assist employees that have been wrongly fired for the reason that they were discussing their pay with another employee or with anyone else.

Hope that someone finds this useful.

Whoa dude - talk about doing your homework

 

[Pacfanweb]

Yep, most companies don't like that.

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Depends on the state. Is it a hire/fire state? Some states have protections setup for the employee....

I know Tennessee is not one of them... They can fire you for any reason here. (so long that it doesn't violate any civil rights or promote problems with ADA)

You mean "At-will employment"? There was a nice paragraph about it in my Employee Guide Book.

 

[cquark]

Originally posted by: Amused
Perfectly legal. And "fair" has nothing to do with it. Life isn't fair, get used to it.

It used to be socially taboo to talk about income. It should still be that way. It does nothing but foster envy.

Actually, knowing people's incomes does more than foster envy--it makes the market for labor transparent in the way that most capital markets like the stock market and real estate market are, with their public and widely disseminated values.