is it fair to get fired for this.....

[CPA]

Originally posted by: jdub1107
Why is it so bad to discuss one's salary? If you're doing the same amount of work, then should get paid the same. If you're getting paid less than someone, there's probably a reason and you should find out what the reason is and work on it. What other reason should one person be making more/less than another, other than what they've done at work?

because most people do not do the same amount of work, do not get the same reviews or did not start on the same exact date. All of those factor into your salary.

 

[CPA]

dp dammit.

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: ctcsoft

coworker of mine got fired for discussing his wage with another employee.

is this fair/legal?

Alot of employers state that you can't discuss salary.

And for good reason. If I took a position and negotiated a higher salary for myself, I wouldn't want everyone I work with to know that. Another person may have the same title as me, but if I get paid more because I convinced the employer that I'm worth the extra money then I don't want the other person in my position to get the wrong idea about me or about the company. Too much damn hassle

So yes, your friend was a dumb@$$
If I was making some real money and they said not to talk about it, my damn lips would be closed

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: y2kc
if the policy is set and it was broken, it was fair and legal

Even if the policy wasn't set it's fair and legal. Nobody owes you a job, they can fire you for just about any reason except religion or race. Talking about salaries is stupid, so just view the firing as the company taking steps to improve the intelligence of it's workforce.

 

[Kenazo]

Salary shouldn't matter. If you agree to do a job for a certain wage it is irrelevant what anyone else gets paid.

 

[spacelord]

Originally posted by: jdub1107
Why is it so bad to discuss one's salary? If you're doing the same amount of work, then should get paid the same. If you're getting paid less than someone, there's probably a reason and you should find out what the reason is and work on it. What other reason should one person be making more/less than another, other than what they've done at work?

the whole fostering envy answer is why..

but it seems shady that companies can pay over $10k difference in salary to people doing the same work, with same qualifications. it all depends on how much you asked for when you were originally hired, etc etc... and if you got it. Thats why I always aim high when they asked during an interview.

 

[spacelord]

editops, double posted?

 

[sao123]

only partially correct.
you still have to know their title pay grade & step to know their salary...

Example...

the IT manager is a pay grade 9.
the Asst IT managers && network operators are pay grade 7.
the PC specialists are pay grade 6.

Every position in my work (union or not) has a pay grade(1 - 11) & step(0-20).

your step is calculated by the years of service.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: jdub1107
Why is it so bad to discuss one's salary? If you're doing the same amount of work, then should get paid the same. If you're getting paid less than someone, there's probably a reason and you should find out what the reason is and work on it. What other reason should one person be making more/less than another, other than what they've done at work?

What you are paid is no one's business but you, and your boss. If your boss chooses to pay someone more or less for the same job, that's HIS choice, and NONE of your business.

Just like in retail, you can find identical products for many different prices. It's the same for workers.

Again, life is not fair, get used to it.

 

[ggnl]

It's a fireable offense here.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Depends on the state. Is it a hire/fire state? Some states have protections setup for the employee....

I know Tennessee is not one of them... They can fire you for any reason here. (so long that it doesn't violate any civil rights or promote problems with ADA)

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: jdub1107
Why is it so bad to discuss one's salary? If you're doing the same amount of work, then should get paid the same. If you're getting paid less than someone, there's probably a reason and you should find out what the reason is and work on it. What other reason should one person be making more/less than another, other than what they've done at work?

because most people do not do the same amount of work, do not get the same reviews or did not start on the same exact date. All of those factor into your salary.

And very often people who do in fact do the same work get paid differently, depending on the experience they brought to the table when they were first hired, along with the negotiations that took place at the time of hire.

 

[ctcsoft]

Originally posted by: Kenazo
How long had he been working there?

going on two years. he was a nice guy and i just felt bad for him. he told another co worker, who in turn went and demanded more $$ and spilled the beans.

very harsh and i just feel bad.

 

[jdub1107]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: jdub1107
Why is it so bad to discuss one's salary? If you're doing the same amount of work, then should get paid the same. If you're getting paid less than someone, there's probably a reason and you should find out what the reason is and work on it. What other reason should one person be making more/less than another, other than what they've done at work?

because most people do not do the same amount of work, do not get the same reviews or did not start on the same exact date. All of those factor into your salary.

And very often people who do in fact do the same work get paid differently, depending on the experience they brought to the table when they were first hired, along with the negotiations that took place at the time of hire.

I know why people get paid more. I just don't think its fair. So what if someone has more experience or has been there longer. If it doesn't show in their work, why should they get paid more? I can understand people getting paid differently before their first review, due to negotiation at time of hirings or whatever else. But once the review comes, pay should be evened out by who does more/less.
Also, let's say someone is doing different work than me and they're getting paid more for what they are doing. I would try and find out why I'm not doing the job instead of the other person. If I'm not capable, or if the other job is more difficult, than other person should be paid more.
Oh, I also think it's crap that someone gets paid more for being somewhere longer even though their output is the same.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

i think a company should be able to fire anyone anytime they want (unless there is some sort of contract)

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: jdub1107

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: jdub1107
Why is it so bad to discuss one's salary? If you're doing the same amount of work, then should get paid the same. If you're getting paid less than someone, there's probably a reason and you should find out what the reason is and work on it. What other reason should one person be making more/less than another, other than what they've done at work?

because most people do not do the same amount of work, do not get the same reviews or did not start on the same exact date. All of those factor into your salary.

And very often people who do in fact do the same work get paid differently, depending on the experience they brought to the table when they were first hired, along with the negotiations that took place at the time of hire.

I know why people get paid more. I just don't think its fair.

Again, life is not fair. Get used to it.

"Fair" is very tricky. You can be free, or you can be fair. You CANNOT be both. Fairness is oppression, freedom is not fair. Fairness is the oppression of the many to accommodate the few. It is one group of people giving up their rights to another group.

Simplistically, it is cutting off all football players legs because a legless man demands the right to play on a "fair" playing field.

What do you choose? Fair, or free?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: ctcsoft

coworker of mine got fired for discussing his wage with another employee.

is this fair/legal?

There's no law that says you can't be fired for discussing your wages. That leaves it up to companies to put clauses in their employee handbook and other HR documentation to handle it. Some companies specify that discussing wages is against company policy and punishable by termination.

 

[SaturnX]

Originally posted by: Queasy
Fair - debatable
Legal - yes

 

[ctcsoft]

he is not a real close friend. just know him. i hate to see anyone lose their job over such dumb sh!t.

supposedly he told a guy who worked on his car on a weekend. they drank a few beers and the other guy got the information out of him. very dirty if you ask me.

 

[jdub1107]

Originally posted by: Amused

Again, life is not fair. Get used to it.

"Fair" is very tricky. You can be free, or you can be fair. You CANNOT be both. Fairness is oppression, freedom is not fair. Fairness is the oppression of the many to accommodate the few. It is one group of people giving up their rights to another group.

Simplistically, it is cutting off all football players legs because a legless man demands the right to play on a "fair" playing field.

What do you choose? Fair, or free?[/quote]


The football analogy is totally different. I'm not saying someone that is incapable of something should try to bring others down. I'm talking about someone who does the same or more than another but gets paid less. It has nothing to do with oppressing, unless you're saying I'm oppressing the employer by taking their right to pay whatever they want. Which I'm not doing.
This is just my opinion. I think things would work better this way. I know that's not how things work, but I feel that's how it should work.

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: Hammer
its super bad for morale...

You mean knowing how much your coworkers makes or knowing that any little thing you say might get you fired, so you had better keep your mouth shut?

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: jdub1107

Originally posted by: Amused

Again, life is not fair. Get used to it.

"Fair" is very tricky. You can be free, or you can be fair. You CANNOT be both. Fairness is oppression, freedom is not fair. Fairness is the oppression of the many to accommodate the few. It is one group of people giving up their rights to another group.

Simplistically, it is cutting off all football players legs because a legless man demands the right to play on a "fair" playing field.

What do you choose? Fair, or free?

The football analogy is totally different. I'm not saying someone that is incapable of something should try to bring others down. I'm talking about someone who does the same or more than another but gets paid less. It has nothing to do with oppressing, unless you're saying I'm oppressing the employer by taking their right to pay whatever they want. Which I'm not doing.
This is just my opinion. I think things would work better this way. I know that's not how things work, but I feel that's how it should work.
[/quote]

Fine, take Danika whatever her name is in Indy cars. She's 100lbs lighter than most other male drivers. Shouldn't she have to beef up to make it fair? That or lipo for everyone else.

 

[Patt]

I hate knowing how much my co-workers make. I'm currently working on our payroll/time entry system. Gives me unintentional access to each person (who I have to set up), and so I now know. Unfortunately, I do more than many of the others, yet am paid a paltry wage compared to them. This will hopefully soon change.

 

[BigB10293]

In a lot of states, you can be fired with no reason given. Right to work states if I recall....

 

[jdub1107]

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: jdub1107

Originally posted by: Amused

Again, life is not fair. Get used to it.

"Fair" is very tricky. You can be free, or you can be fair. You CANNOT be both. Fairness is oppression, freedom is not fair. Fairness is the oppression of the many to accommodate the few. It is one group of people giving up their rights to another group.

Simplistically, it is cutting off all football players legs because a legless man demands the right to play on a "fair" playing field.

What do you choose? Fair, or free?

The football analogy is totally different. I'm not saying someone that is incapable of something should try to bring others down. I'm talking about someone who does the same or more than another but gets paid less. It has nothing to do with oppressing, unless you're saying I'm oppressing the employer by taking their right to pay whatever they want. Which I'm not doing.
This is just my opinion. I think things would work better this way. I know that's not how things work, but I feel that's how it should work.

Fine, take Danika whatever her name is in Indy cars. She's 100lbs lighter than most other male drivers. Shouldn't she have to beef up to make it fair? That or lipo for everyone else.[/quote]

How does that even apply? Some people have natural ability/traits than others. I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing the outcome or what they actually do with those abilities/traits. Now if she got paid less for winning a race because she was lighter, than it wouldn't be fair. But that's not the case.

Edit: It's like jockies. They are small because they want to be light when riding the horse. Now maybe midgets (un-pc?) will get into car racing because they're lighter. Are other drivers going to start complaining? People are just bitching because she's a girl, nothing to do with weight.