Is it Ethical and/or legal to use your neighbors internet connection? *pollage*

[her209]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: her209
Okay, I was confused what you meant by "degrading his service". What about when I run my own AP that conflicts with the neighbor's AP? What about when I operate my cordless phone which causes interference with his signal?

That's for the operator/owner of said network to deal with. It's an open spectrum. As long as you are within FCC regulations do whatever you want.

I was dealing with L1/2 in terms of the association degrades services of all client to neighbor's AP. You know that noise is a fact of life on this spectrum, but the association and management frames degrade the overall performance of neighbor's wifi?

Correct or not correct?

Correct. The additional connection to his AP will degrade his connection(s) to the AP. However, if the neighbor didn't want degradation of his wireless connection due to his neighbors connecting, isn't it up to operator/owner of said network to secure his AP?

 

[TheNewbie]

If you're the owner of a wireless network (AP), its up to you to secure it, so no one will be able to use your connection in a casual way (i.e. they will have to break in to enter). If you fail to do so, then you accept that random people may use your connection, though you definitely do not accept some else accessing your personal (or any other) files or to feel any bandwidth shortages.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: TheNewbie
If you're the owner of a wireless network (AP), its up to you to secure it, so no one will be able to use your connection in a casual way (i.e. they will have to break in to enter). If you fail to do so, then you accept that random people may use your connection, though you definitely do not accept some else accessing your personal (or any other) files or to feel any bandwidth shortages.

Not according to the law.

Blaming somebody else for stealing doesn't hold water.

 

[WelshBloke]

Originally posted by: spidey07


Stealing is stealing no matter if you can measure it or not. I've already shown and voiced how just connecting to the neighbor's AP can degrade his service (not just his intarweb, but his LAN) and from a federal and many states' law is illegal. But surprisingly nobody will contest this fact.

This is what is so fundamentally wrong with entitlement mentality.

No its not.

And for the rest of your point, it may degrade his service, but if it degraded it to the point where he notices then he would encrypt his wlan.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: WelshBloke

Originally posted by: spidey07


Stealing is stealing no matter if you can measure it or not. I've already shown and voiced how just connecting to the neighbor's AP can degrade his service (not just his intarweb, but his LAN) and from a federal and many states' law is illegal. But surprisingly nobody will contest this fact.

This is what is so fundamentally wrong with entitlement mentality.

No its not.

And for the rest of your point, it may degrade his service, but if it degraded it to the point where he notices then he would encrypt his wlan.

So it's your neighbors fault your stealing his stuff? It really is surprising just how far some will reach to justify their behavior.

 

[WelshBloke]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: WelshBloke

Originally posted by: spidey07


Stealing is stealing no matter if you can measure it or not. I've already shown and voiced how just connecting to the neighbor's AP can degrade his service (not just his intarweb, but his LAN) and from a federal and many states' law is illegal. But surprisingly nobody will contest this fact.

This is what is so fundamentally wrong with entitlement mentality.

No its not.

And for the rest of your point, it may degrade his service, but if it degraded it to the point where he notices then he would encrypt his wlan.

So it's your neighbors fault your stealing his stuff? It really is surprising just how far some will reach to justify their behavior.

Firstly I'm not justifying anything, I don't and don't intend to use anyone else's wifi.

But if you don't want someone connecting to your network then secure it, whinging on about it being unethical and illegal and expecting the police to come and arrest people is pretty pathetic.
Secure your network and get on with your life.

 

[narcotic]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: TheNewbie
If you're the owner of a wireless network (AP), its up to you to secure it, so no one will be able to use your connection in a casual way (i.e. they will have to break in to enter). If you fail to do so, then you accept that random people may use your connection, though you definitely do not accept some else accessing your personal (or any other) files or to feel any bandwidth shortages.

Not according to the law.

Blaming somebody else for stealing doesn't hold water.

I would like to see you quote the exact part of the law that says it is not your responsibility to protect even in the most modest way your property...

If you have a territory, and you don't mark it, how the hell would I know that I'm trespassing when I enter that land?!
Or are you suggesting that from now on, until one is told otherwise he should assume he is always on private territory and can be shot and/or arrested at any given moment?

Bottom line, if you have a territory you should take at least a minimal effort to secure it or to alert possible innocent trespassers, if you fail to do so, as someone with an unsecured wireless network does, it is basically an open invitation for the general public to come in as far as the law is concerned.

For the car examples people like to give here, if you live your car with the doors open (not only unlocked) and the engine running, people may see this as an invitation to take a ride, since its an uncommon behavior for someone that wishes to protect his car.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: narcotic
I would like to see you quote the exact part of the law that says it is not your responsibility to protect even in the most modest way your property...

If you have a territory, and you don't mark it, how the hell would I know that I'm trespassing when I enter that land?!
Or are you suggesting that from now on, until one is told otherwise he should assume he is always on private territory and can be shot and/or arrested at any given moment?

Bottom line, if you have a territory you should take at least a minimal effort to secure it or to alert possible innocent trespassers, if you fail to do so, as someone with an unsecured wireless network does, it is basically an open invitation for the general public to come in as far as the law is concerned.

For the car examples people like to give here, if you live your car with the doors open (not only unlocked) and the engine running, people may see this as an invitation to take a ride, since its an uncommon behavior for someone that wishes to protect his car.

This is EXACTLY what is wrong with people. Somehow it is the other guys fault that you're stealing his stuff.

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Connecting to an unsecured Wi-Fi network is not unethical, and I sure as fuck do it all the time. Linksys, the number 1 free Internet provider in the US!
But I sure as hell never go digging in people's shared files, that's just an invasion of privacy.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: narcotic
If you have a territory, and you don't mark it, how the hell would I know that I'm trespassing when I enter that land?!
Or are you suggesting that from now on, until one is told otherwise he should assume he is always on private territory and can be shot and/or arrested at any given moment?

How do you not know it's their router you're connecting to when you don't have a wireless AP and you physically select theirs . Their "territory" is "marked" by the SSID, which can be the same and some may not change it, but we'll ignore that .