Is it better to have less rights and be safer

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waggy

No Lifer
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Originally posted by: Doboji
Think about it... just in the last few decades

Speed limits lowered
seatbelt laws
motorcycle helmet laws
drinking age risen
search and seizure laws relaxed
smoking laws
war on drugs
FCC crackdown (censorship)

the list goes on and on...

When are we going too far?

don't forget hte big one. eminit domain law.

now it is legal for the goverment to take PRIVATE property and give it to a PRIVATE individual ot use for profit.
 

tfinch2

Lifer
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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: tfinch2

Based off your example, you should have the right to speed? You can't say that anyone is violating your privacy. You're on a public street. :confused:

"Speeding" is a relative term.

If someone wants to go 85 mph down a side street, then no, that's not safe and you shouldn't be speeding that way.

But what about when a township intentionally lowers the speed limit on a road solely to increase traffic ticket revenue? Of course they're going to market the idea as being for "safety", but the real intentions are obvious.

If they lower the speed limit on a highway from 65 mpg down to 40 mph for no apparent reason and without legit legal power to do that, if you go 60 on that street, are you really speeding?

A law is a law is a law. Here comes that sense of entitlement everyone seems to have now.
 

91TTZ

Lifer
Jan 31, 2005
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Originally posted by: Doboji
Speed limits lowered IT'S FOR YOUR PROTECTION
seatbelt laws IT'S FOR YOUR SAFETY
motorcycle helmet laws IT'S FOR YOUR PROTECTION
drinking age risen SOMEONE THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN
search and seizure laws relaxed THE TERRSTS MUST BE DEFEATED FOR GREAT LIBERTY
smoking laws IT'S FOR YOUR PROTECTION
war on drugs "JUST SAY NO"... FOR GREAT FREEDOM!
FCC crackdown (censorship) SOMEONE THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN

the list goes on and on...

When are we going too far?

 

Doboji

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May 18, 2001
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Originally posted by: tfinch2
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: tfinch2

Based off your example, you should have the right to speed? You can't say that anyone is violating your privacy. You're on a public street. :confused:

"Speeding" is a relative term.

If someone wants to go 85 mph down a side street, then no, that's not safe and you shouldn't be speeding that way.

But what about when a township intentionally lowers the speed limit on a road solely to increase traffic ticket revenue? Of course they're going to market the idea as being for "safety", but the real intentions are obvious.

If they lower the speed limit on a highway from 65 mpg down to 40 mph for no apparent reason and without legit legal power to do that, if you go 60 on that street, are you really speeding?

A law is a law is a law. Here comes that sense of entitlement everyone seems to have now.

What if I disagree with the law? What if most people disagree with the law? I don't have the right to? because it's the law?
 

91TTZ

Lifer
Jan 31, 2005
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Originally posted by: tfinch2

A law is a law is a law. Here comes that sense of entitlement everyone seems to have now.

That sense of entitlement that everyone seems to have is a general principle laid out in the Constitution of the United States. People are supposed to have power over their government.

If "a law is a law is a law", then what happens if they get more bold and take away freedom of speech? Or enact an unconstitutional curfew?

Asians were interned during WW2. They could have been Japanese spies, gotta protect the USA. Later on it was decided that it wasn't right, but hey, a law is a law is a law.
 

tfinch2

Lifer
Feb 3, 2004
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Originally posted by: Doboji
Originally posted by: tfinch2
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: tfinch2

Based off your example, you should have the right to speed? You can't say that anyone is violating your privacy. You're on a public street. :confused:

"Speeding" is a relative term.

If someone wants to go 85 mph down a side street, then no, that's not safe and you shouldn't be speeding that way.

But what about when a township intentionally lowers the speed limit on a road solely to increase traffic ticket revenue? Of course they're going to market the idea as being for "safety", but the real intentions are obvious.

If they lower the speed limit on a highway from 65 mpg down to 40 mph for no apparent reason and without legit legal power to do that, if you go 60 on that street, are you really speeding?

A law is a law is a law. Here comes that sense of entitlement everyone seems to have now.

What if I disagree with the law? What if most people disagree with the law? I don't have the right to? because it's the law?

Most people hate to pay their taxes too, but it's against the law not to. It's a slippery slope situation.
 

Doboji

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May 18, 2001
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Originally posted by: tfinch2
Originally posted by: Doboji
Originally posted by: tfinch2
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: tfinch2

Based off your example, you should have the right to speed? You can't say that anyone is violating your privacy. You're on a public street. :confused:

"Speeding" is a relative term.

If someone wants to go 85 mph down a side street, then no, that's not safe and you shouldn't be speeding that way.

But what about when a township intentionally lowers the speed limit on a road solely to increase traffic ticket revenue? Of course they're going to market the idea as being for "safety", but the real intentions are obvious.

If they lower the speed limit on a highway from 65 mpg down to 40 mph for no apparent reason and without legit legal power to do that, if you go 60 on that street, are you really speeding?

A law is a law is a law. Here comes that sense of entitlement everyone seems to have now.

What if I disagree with the law? What if most people disagree with the law? I don't have the right to? because it's the law?

Most people hate to pay their taxes too, but it's against the law not to. It's a slippery slope situation.

nonsense... I should have the right to protest the taxes as well... problem is, at this point the government has gotten so complex the laws and taxes and regulations are so buried in complexity that it's nearly impossible to fight that which we don't agree with.

-Max
 

91TTZ

Lifer
Jan 31, 2005
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Originally posted by: tfinch2

Most people hate to pay their taxes too, but it's against the law not to. It's a slippery slope situation.

People in New Jersey hated to pay their increased taxes after Florio took office. We struck the taxes back down to 6%.

They tried to shove it down our throats and we pushed back and got our way. 6% is a number that most people can agree with. Sure, some people would like 0%, but most people understand that the state needs some money.
 

chambersc

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Feb 11, 2005
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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Doboji
Speed limits lowered IT'S FOR YOUR PROTECTION
seatbelt laws IT'S FOR YOUR SAFETY
motorcycle helmet laws IT'S FOR YOUR PROTECTION
drinking age risen SOMEONE THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN
search and seizure laws relaxed THE TERRSTS MUST BE DEFEATED FOR GREAT LIBERTY
smoking laws IT'S FOR YOUR PROTECTION
war on drugs "JUST SAY NO"... FOR GREAT FREEDOM!
FCC crackdown (censorship) SOMEONE THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN

the list goes on and on...

When are we going too far?

his post was about the nanny state the gov. is creating. edit know what, now that i reread ur edit i think you were being sarcastic!!!!!
 

Doboji

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May 18, 2001
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So my question is... who are the 16 people who support us giving up our rights for safety?

-Max
 

Vegitto

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There's a number of rights I would die for. It seems that the US governement sees it fit to take these rights from their people.
 

Doboji

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I guess soon we'll need to add Flag Burning to the list of freedoms we no longer have.

I wouldnt burn a flag... but I should have the right to.
 

chambersc

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Feb 11, 2005
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Originally posted by: Doboji
I guess soon we'll need to add Flag Burning to the list of freedoms we no longer have.

I wouldnt burn a flag... but I should have the right to.

if you're talking about the potential amendment to constitution, it was defeated yesterday so.....