Whats funny is when I first read that cameras post I stood up from my chair and said "WHAT THE FCK" out loud... followed by silence as the reality of the sarcasm washed over me.
Whats funny is when I first read that cameras post I stood up from my chair and said "WHAT THE FCK" out loud... followed by silence as the reality of the sarcasm washed over me.
HamburgerBoy
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I guess I should have been more specific... I think our system is leaning towards less rights in the futile attempt to be safer.
JulesMaximus
No Lifer
- Jul 3, 2003
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I'd rather take my chances on safety. Life is already dangerous in a lot of ways, no use hiding under the bed...
Also, for the second poll, how about a "less rights, less safety" option
Also, for the second poll, how about a "less rights, less safety" option
I'm not quite following you.
Based off your example, you should have the right to speed? You can't say that anyone is violating your privacy. You're on a public street.
That would be "awesome" if there was a middle ground between what you said and having a police state. Maybe a place with reasonable laws that people can actually follow, and maybe, (this is really stretching it), laws that even the officers can follow. The cops aren't stupid, they know that nobody's going to go 25 mph on those streets, that's why they don't even go 25 mph on those streets. They drive a speed that feels comfortable, like every other normal person.
That is the one quote that I hate the most. I believe I should have the freedom & liberties to drink & drive with no license & no insurance.
So most everyone will now say, "well, we need *that* security, to try and prevent someone dangerous from endangering our own lives."
When there is a blanket statement trying to cover all "freedoms" or "liberties" it's just bogus because we all have to give up some "rights" for security. That's not debatable. It's a matter of where you draw the line and it is always decided on a case by case basis.
Just my mini-rant that will be ignored by all.
"Any nation that desires to gain a little security at the expense of a little liberty deserves neither and loses both"
-Ben Franklin
-Ben Franklin
The problem is that the place that some people want to draw the line is really, really wacked.
Some people would like nothing other than for the US to be a socialist state, with high tax rates for everybody to fund programs that *they* think are useful.
Originally posted by: tfinch2
I'm not quite following you.
Based off your example, you should have the right to speed? You can't say that anyone is violating your privacy. You're on a public street.
I'm saying stop creating more and more laws, and restricting and restricting and restricting all in the name of "saving lives". Our laws were never designed to be enforced with 100% efficiency. If the laws were enforced to that degree EVERYONE would be guilty all the time.
Enough is enough... the laws and the enforcement need to back off a bit.
DainBramaged
Lifer
- Jun 19, 2003
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Originally posted by: tfinch2
Based off your example, you should have the right to speed? You can't say that anyone is violating your privacy. You're on a public street.
"Speeding" is a relative term.
If someone wants to go 85 mph down a side street, then no, that's not safe and you shouldn't be speeding that way.
But what about when a township intentionally lowers the speed limit on a road solely to increase traffic ticket revenue? Of course they're going to market the idea as being for "safety", but the real intentions are obvious.
If they lower the speed limit on a highway from 65 mpg down to 40 mph for no apparent reason and without legit legal power to do that, if you go 60 on that street, are you really speeding?
Think about it... just in the last few decades
Speed limits lowered
seatbelt laws
motorcycle helmet laws
drinking age risen
search and seizure laws relaxed
smoking laws
war on drugs
FCC crackdown (censorship)
the list goes on and on...
When are we going too far?
Speed limits lowered
seatbelt laws
motorcycle helmet laws
drinking age risen
search and seizure laws relaxed
smoking laws
war on drugs
FCC crackdown (censorship)
the list goes on and on...
When are we going too far?
waggy
No Lifer
- Dec 14, 2000
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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: tfinch2
Based off your example, you should have the right to speed? You can't say that anyone is violating your privacy. You're on a public street.
"Speeding" is a relative term.
If someone wants to go 85 mph down a side street, then no, that's not safe and you shouldn't be speeding that way.
But what about when a township intentionally lowers the speed limit on a road solely to increase traffic ticket revenue? Of course they're going to market the idea as being for "safety", but the real intentions are obvious.
If they lower the speed limit on a highway from 65 mpg down to 40 mph for no apparent reason and without legit legal power to do that, if you go 60 on that street, are you really speeding?
that brings in more stuff. such as red light cameras. personally i think they should be banned.
the one put up in town is on a street out in the country. not at the dangerous intersections that need it.
why out in the country? people forget that there is alight there and blow it (it was put up with the camera). even though over the last 3 years there have been 3 wrecks. other lights in town are far far worse.
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