Is it bad to be "rich"?

[Soltis]

Asking this because I see alot of comments that seem to suggest you are a "bad person" if you are "rich". A recent thread lead me to believe that the majority of people do not pay back into the tax system what they get out of it(i.e how much it cost for 12 grades of school, police, fire department etc), so I would imagine only the minority/"rich" usually pay this back.
EDIT: here is the thread that sparked this question

Do you think people who become "rich" are bad and why?

If rich people are bad people, does that mean financially-strained to "poor" people are good people?

If not being "rich" makes you a good person does that mean we want less people to be rich?

Would society be better off if people stopped trying to earn more than the lowest common denominator? To it more into perspective, I suppose I could ask should more people try to pursue minimum wage jobs instead of jobs that earn more so society will be more accepting of them?

Try to state which question you are responding to in your post if you can.


*For those who may see epic fail in this post for whatever reason I ask that you try to keep your contempt to a minimum when you post.

 

[sandorski]

no, but it's hella annoying listening to claims of hardship from the "Rich".

 

[Red Dawn]

Is it bad to be "rich"?

Hell no, I'd take it extra tax burden and all and not complain. Of course to me being Rich means not ever having to worry about money.

 

[Soltis]

Hell no, I'd take it extra tax burden and all and not complain. Of course to me being Rich means not ever having to worry about money.

Hmmm, so better to push against the current for freedom at the top no matter how hard than be content with acceptance from others near the bottom in exchange for your own happiness.. interesting

 

[Red Dawn]

Hmmm, so better to push against the current for freedom at the top no matter how hard than be content with acceptance from others near the bottom in exchange for your own happiness.. interesting

What ever it is you just said

 

[Jaskalas]

no, but it's hella annoying listening to claims of hardship from the "Rich".

Tyranny of the majority to club the minority over the head. Your response is "deal with it"?

 

[sandorski]

Tyranny of the majority to club the minority over the head. Your response is "deal with it"?

Yes, indeed, they are being Clubbed. You got me good.

 

[ZOOYUKA]

Only if you are a white male.

 

[soulcougher73]

When the "rich" are still "rich" after taxes. We are not taxing them enough I kid, i kid.

But seriously. If you concider yourself "rich" while paying your taxes and not bitching about it then you are doing just fine.

 

[CycloWizard]

Hell no, I'd take it extra tax burden and all and not complain. Of course to me being Rich means not ever having to worry about money.

Why? What claim would anyone else have to your money? Why do some here think that this claim is a right?

 

[Moonbeam]

The good thing about being rich is that money is a rating of value and if you have a lot of it it should imply that you yourself, via your capacity to acquire what is of value indicates that you also have value. This can be very good for combating the feeling we all have that we are the worst in the world. It can't be possible that the worst person in the world also managed to get rich.

The bad thing about being rich is that, instead of acquiring a sense of real worth via one's obvious capacity, that feeling goes to feed the ego. In this case all the benefit of obviously not being the worst person in the world, the eating away of that lie of a feeling, goes into the wall we erect to deny that we feel that way. Here, instead of acquiring a more positive feeling of one's true value, one feeds the false ego and just becomes a bigger asshole than one was with the usual self contempt. Now we have a self hater with hubris and strut who feeds of the inferior wealth of others as to feed his pride.

At any rate, people who are successful in life are usually better able to be to have a positive attitude about everything and this makes for greater personal gratification in living, in my opinion. People who become addicted to making money, however, I think, miss out on a lot of time they could have in loving relationships with others. Their lives, in some respects, will have been wasted.

The best think to do, I think, is to first know about your own self hate, and then work to see that it is a lie. What we may feel is the truth isn't.

 

[sandorski]

Why? What claim would anyone else have to your money? Why do some here think that this claim is a right?

Constitutional Law.

 

[nonlnear]

Why? What claim would anyone else have to your money? Why do some here think that this claim is a right?

Because the left/right paradigm makes most people blind to the fact that there are alternatives to statism. Combine that with the frustrating number of anarchists and iconoclasts who pollute the libertarian ideological gene pool, and it's easy to see how even a very highly educated person could go through life thinking that there is no coherent philosophy of consent and the rule of law.

 

[CycloWizard]

Constitutional Law.

Please demonstrate where "Constitutional Law" gives you a right to someone else's money or wealth.

 

[sandorski]

Please demonstrate where "Constitutional Law" gives you a right to someone else's money or wealth.

Government has the duty to Tax, you got Money, they Tax it. Sorry.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

What is "rich"? Being middle class? And what exactly is their "fair share"?

 

[Murloc]

I don't think they are bad.
They must have earned it in some way, and since we accept the fact that we live in a capitalistic society, they have the right to dispose of their money as they want.

 

[Moonbeam]

Please demonstrate where "Constitutional Law" gives you a right to someone else's money or wealth.

Why don't you go live in the fucking jungle where I don't have to pay for a police force to keep your worthless ass alive. You will be eaten, but it will be better than a long life of fear that I'm going to stick my hand in your pocket. In my pocket are the moon and the stars and vast universes unseen. Help yourself to anything you can carry away since I own everything. You are poor beyond imagining because of where you focus.

 

[nonlnear]

Please demonstrate where "Constitutional Law" gives you a right to someone else's money or wealth.

The legal mandate is quite simple. The real issue is whether there is a moral imperative for a broad governmental mandate. Hilariously, the people who typically dismiss "absolutist" reads of the Constitution engage in the exact same reasoning when they use the "it's legal" argument as a way of short-circuiting any underlying moral or philosophical debate about the nature of government. i.e. "The only rule is there are no rules about how to read the rules - except for the rule that whatever is allowed by the rules is legitimized by the fact that the rules allow it."

 

[CycloWizard]

Government has the duty to Tax, you got Money, they Tax it. Sorry.

First of all, the POWER to tax is not a DUTY to tax (see amendment 16). Second, the power to tax does not give anyone a claim to another's money, much less a right to it.

 

[Matthiasa]

Depends... in the past being rich almost certainly meant you were a "bad person", using whatever means necessary to obtain and keep it, up to and including murder...

 

[CycloWizard]

Why don't you go live in the fucking jungle where I don't have to pay for a police force to keep your worthless ass alive. You will be eaten, but it will be better than a long life of fear that I'm going to stick my hand in your pocket. In my pocket are the moon and the stars and vast universes unseen. Help yourself to anything you can carry away since I own everything. You are poor beyond imagining because of where you focus.

In the lie that is your philosophy, you own everything. But, since it is a lie, you really have nothing. I'm sorry that pisses you off, but that doesn't give you a claim to the things of real value which I possess.

 

[WHAMPOM]

W

Asking this because I see alot of comments that seem to suggest you are a "bad person" if you are "rich". A recent thread lead me to believe that the majority of people do not pay back into the tax system what they get out of it(i.e how much it cost for 12 grades of school, police, fire department etc), so I would imagine only the minority/"rich" usually pay this back.
EDIT: here is the thread that sparked this question

Do you think people who become "rich" are bad and why?

If rich people are bad people, does that mean financially-strained to "poor" people are good people?

If not being "rich" makes you a good person does that mean we want less people to be rich?

Would society be better off if people stopped trying to earn more than the lowest common denominator? To it more into perspective, I suppose I could ask should more people try to pursue minimum wage jobs instead of jobs that earn more so society will be more accepting of them?

Try to state which question you are responding to in your post if you can.


*For those who may see epic fail in this post for whatever reason I ask that you try to keep your contempt to a minimum when you post.

We hate rich people for how much they gripe about the amount of "TAXES" they pay and their memory problems with the money they "OWE" taxes on.

 

[spidey07]

Rich people are the best and most good of all. They provide JOBS to other people so that they too can be rich someday if they work hard enough. They also pay almost every penny of the tax revenue, they should be applauded and held in high regard, not demonized.

 

[Soltis]

Why? What claim would anyone else have to your money? Why do some here think that this claim is a right?

I think it's wrong for people to take your money and use it in ways you don't agree to, but the reality of the situation is SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE, is going to try to take something that belongs to you at some point. You are 1 person compared to like the billions of people in the world. To think you can keep every last cent protected is foolish. It's wrong that some people are trying to take some your money, but its inevitable that some will succeed. And as thus it comes down to making enough money where you can still have a great life even after people poach some of it.