Is it bad to be "rich"?

[sandorski]

My use of words makes me look like an idiot? Everyone on this forum uses words to express ideas. I'm sorry that the use of language is below your superior intellect.

Fail, sorry.

 

[CycloWizard]

Fail, sorry.

Fine. Then maybe you can tell me why or how it is justifiable to use the government to take money from one person or group and give it to another.

 

[sandorski]

Fine. Then maybe you can tell me why or how it is justifiable to use the government to take money from one person or group and give it to another.

Already answered.

 

[nonlnear]

Ahem:

Hilariously, the people who typically dismiss "absolutist" reads of the Constitution engage in the exact same reasoning when they use the "it's legal" argument as a way of short-circuiting any underlying moral or philosophical debate about the nature of government. i.e. "The only rule is there are no rules about how to read the rules - except for the rule that whatever is allowed by the rules is legitimized by the fact that the rules allow it."

 

[sandorski]

Ahem:

uhoh

 

[CycloWizard]

Already answered.

No, you just said that it is justifiable, not why or how it may be justified. As nonlnear already pointed out, stating that the law justifies itself is begging the question.

 

[sandorski]

No, you just said that it is justifiable, not why or how it may be justified. As nonlnear already pointed out, stating that the law justifies itself is begging the question.

Read the Constitution. You're not making an argument, you are merely whining as to what the Government does with your $Tax.

 

[CycloWizard]

Read the Constitution. You're not making an argument, you are merely whining as to what the Government does with your $Tax.

Justify the Constitution. It's a document - it can't justify itself.

 

[TruePaige]

This thread is so stupid. The very premise of it is ignorant.

The amount of wealth a person has accumulated is by no means a direct reflection of the quality of their character.

 

[TruePaige]

This thread is so stupid. The very premise of it is ignorant.

The amount of wealth a person has accumulated is by no means a direct reflection of the quality of their character.

 

[her209]

No, its good to be rich. The law is more lenient on you.

 

[sandorski]

Justify the Constitution. It's a document - it can't justify itself.

Srsly? You got nothing better to do than Nef?

 

[WhipperSnapper]

No, it's not immoral to be rich.

However, it's immoral to be a public official who supports and implements economic policies that result in redistributing wealth from the lower classes to the upper classes. It's immoral to be a public official who supports merging the U.S. economy and standard of living with that of the billions of poor people in the rest of the world.

In other words, we need to direct our anger, not at the rich who may have benefited from those policies, but at our politicians who made it all possible.

 

[CycloWizard]

Srsly? You got nothing better to do than Nef?

You're the one posting nothing but circular arguments. You can either argue for its justification or you can't. Please do so or stop posting.

 

[Soltis]

This thread is so stupid. The very premise of it is ignorant.

The amount of wealth a person has accumulated is by no means a direct reflection of the quality of their character.

lol I know that's pretty much true but that's also why in my OP I asked to keep contempt over fail to a minimum.

In regards to the wealth comment I agree with you. I only ask because maybe its just a few people spouting nonsense, but it seems alot of people assume rich is synonymous with greedy and corrupt and republican. I'm not saying some rich people aren't these things, but it's just something I wanted to try to get cleared up.

Also as one trollish? post said earlier, I also have to admit when I hear people sport the word "rich" the first thing that comes to my mind is some old white guy, but I know that's simply just not the truth anymore when it comes to who is rich, as all different kinds of people have been able to make a good life for themselves thanks to this country.

 

[sandorski]

You're the one posting nothing but circular arguments. You can either argue for its justification or you can't. Please do so or stop posting.

I'm being Circular? Nah, you're just being stupid. The answers you look for are spelled out in the Constitution, if you don't like it, well Change it or find someplace more suitable to your philosophy.

 

[her209]

Justify the Constitution. It's a document - it can't justify itself.

LOL... ok.

 

[Soltis]

No, it's not immoral to be rich.

However, it's immoral to be a public official who supports and implements economic policies that result in redistributing wealth from the lower classes to the upper classes. It's immoral to be a public official who supports merging the U.S. economy and standard of living with that of the billions of poor people in the rest of the world.

In other words, we need to direct our anger, not at the rich who may have benefited from those policies, but at our politicians who made it all possible.

In all honestly this is one of the main responses I made this thread to hear. Not to say that I didn't hear many interesting comments, but just as a person who I suppose considers himself republican? I guess, I still know that neither side is perfect and nether side is completely "wrong" and in regards to feelings towards the "rich" I think there's often alot of misunderstanding from the majority of both sides really, or any single person as well for that matter, because if the end result was ever to label anyone and everyone that is "rich" as a violator of the country(might not be the right wording) really seems backwards and away from the goal of getting every person to want and build a good life for himself.

 

[TruePaige]

lol I know that's pretty much true but that's also why in my OP I asked to keep contempt over fail to a minimum.

In regards to the wealth comment I agree with you. I only ask because maybe its just a few people spouting nonsense, but it seems alot of people assume rich is synonymous with greedy and corrupt and republican. I'm not saying some rich people aren't these things, but it's just something I wanted to try to get cleared up.

Also as one trollish? post said earlier, I also have to admit when I hear people sport the word "rich" the first thing that comes to my mind is some old white guy, but I know that's simply just not the truth anymore when it comes to who is rich, as all different kinds of people have been able to make a good life for themselves thanks to this country.

1st Paragraph: Well as long as you acknowledge that.

2nd Paragraph: It might pop up in a lot of peoples heads, but I think it is fairly split either way, even in the lower class due to a lot of social issues.

3rd Paragraph: Not the truth, certainly.

Carry on.

 

[CycloWizard]

I'm being Circular? Nah, you're just being stupid. The answers you look for are spelled out in the Constitution, if you don't like it, well Change it or find someplace more suitable to your philosophy.

So you think a document justifies itself? I can write a document which says I have a right to kill you, take all your money, and sell your children into slavery. Would I be justified in doing so because I had a document stating that I was? Why or why not?

 

[Moonbeam]

In the lie that is your philosophy, you own everything. But, since it is a lie, you really have nothing. I'm sorry that pisses you off, but that doesn't give you a claim to the things of real value which I possess.

All you have of real value is what remains after a ship wreak and I can't take that from you if I wanted to and I don't.

 

[sandorski]

So you think a document justifies itself? I can write a document which says I have a right to kill you, take all your money, and sell your children into slavery. Would I be justified in doing so because I had a document stating that I was? Why or why not?

It's the fucking Constitution. Perhaps you've heard of it? It indeed does Justify itself and is the Justification of all Law within the US. If you want to start from scratch, well go ahead, just don't expect much enthusiasm from anyone else.

 

[CycloWizard]

It's the fucking Constitution. Perhaps you've heard of it? It indeed does Justify itself and is the Justification of all Law within the US. If you want to start from scratch, well go ahead, just don't expect much enthusiasm from anyone else.

I don't think you know what "justify" means. But since you aren't up to the challenge of understanding that, I suppose we're at an impasse.

 

[Red Dawn]

Why? What claim would anyone else have to your money? Why do some here think that this claim is a right?

By anyone else you mean the society I live in that gave me the freedom and opportunity to become wealthy?

 

[nobodyknows]

So...it's OK for the poor to exploit the middle class?

LOL, those with the gold rule, so who do you blame? The poor? If they were so smart as to be able to "expolit" the middle class the why don't they exploit the rich also?