Is it a "misfortune" to be born a woman?

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BlazingSaddles

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I checked cnn.com, but I don't really understand what the Taliban is. Is it a group of people or the Afgan law, like our constitution?
 

Russ

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Hell, women OWN. They have the one thing that the average male thinks about every 15 seconds. We stupid men spend the first nine months of our existence trying to get out, then the entire rest of our lives trying to get back in.

That's CONTROL.

Russ, NCNE
 

OS

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<< montanafan, were you serious? I might do a paragraph on women's treatment in other countries. Any links, or ideas where I can get info on that? >>



She's not kidding. Afghanistan is easily one of the worst places in the world to be a woman.
 

Yeeny

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Russ: LMAO! That is what I wanted to say about womens power over men, but did not have the courage too! ;)
 

sweetrobin

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As much as I complain about certain aspects of being female I wouldn't change it. Because one day I know I will be able to bring life into this world because of it. I think the advantages of being a woman out weigh the negatives. Just the thought of being a mom makes me know I would never trade being a woman. No matter how great a dad is ... they will never know the connection that a woman has with her child even before its born. I havent had this pleasure as of yet, but hopefully one day I will... and I know I would never give that up for anything ... anything else is worth that .. or atleast thats what I have been told by every mother I know. Including my own :).
 

jhu

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yes, until they all figure out how to kill all the males and reproduce asexually using cloning techniques.
 

JenniZ

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:( :( :( Some women are born with problems, and can never have children. I am one of those unlucky individuals. I feel so down after reading that.
 

FrontlineWarrior

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If you're born as a woman you'd be a freak of nature.







Being born female is one thing, being born as an adult is like... the alien baby from Mork and Mindy.
 

Ranger X

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It's not a &quot;misfortune&quot; but it's great being a guy. Girls are always treated like a slab of meat by low lives and the elder horny bunch. Plus, as a guy, you don't have to have the kid. :)
 

jhu

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but if you're a hermaphrodite you can make your own kids. woohoo! double the pleasure, double the fun!
 

Looney

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First off, our society is far from equal when it comes to power between the sexes. Power is having a resource over somebody... and that somebody must value those resources. Men generally have the power because they have the economic resources. In traditional families with a working husband and a housewife, the man holds much more power over the woman, because he controls the economic resources... that's why divorces are less likely to occur in traditional families than more egalitarian familes where the wife works as well. Women on the other hands, may seem to have more power because it always appears they're controlling us through sex, love, guilt, etc, but that's delegated power. If the man no longer wants the woman (ie, found another woman), she has lost all power because those resources are no longer valued by the man (a resource is useless if it's not valued by the other party).

But even in egalitarian families though, the husband generally holds more power because power is also based on
dependency. The more dependent you are on the family, the less power you have. The less dependent you are on the family, the more power you have because you can leave that family easier than those who are highly dependent on it. In modern and traditional society, women are much more dependent on the family because, even if they have economic resources, society still places more of a stigma on divorced women then divorced men (this is changing though).

But i'm sure that doesn't answer rking original question. I think 'misfortune' is a too negative a word though. If it is meant in such a negative term, then i definitely don't think it's a misfortune to be born a woman today... if you live in a civilized society (Sweden has a MUCH more egalitarian society than America does). But like a few have mentioned already, there are some parts of this world that being born a woman is a misfortune.


JenniZ

that link was hilarious! I sometimes laugh when my gf gets an orgasm because it's so intense... she thinks i'm laughing at her orgasm because it's wierd, but i do it because i can't believe her orgasm are so intense, that i'm amazed.
 

montanafan

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rking,

Just go to google.com and type in &quot;Taliban and women&quot;. The UN link comes up as well as several others.

Sorry it took me so long to get back here.

 

TheDennis

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I don't think it would be a misfortune. But I don't think I would want to be a woman. I am proud to be a guy. But I do think some of this equality stuff is getting out of hand. Now I do agree that men and women are equal but there are somethings that women shouldn't be a part of. Now before you start cussing me hear me out. My main objective here is sports. At some college, I can't remember where, a female student sued the school because they wouldn't let her play on the male basketball team. WTF is that all about. She doesn't have a right to play on the men's ball team. She needs to play on the females ball team. I hate it when I see stuff like that. Some women just take this stuff overboard. But oh well. Congratulations to all women. You have come a long way, and I love everyone of ya.
 

BlazingSaddles

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I'm going to qualify the statement. First I'll say how in the past, women had very little rights compared to men. Then, about how today, women have similar rights to men. Does anyone have any specific ways women have achieved similar rights to men? voting, some jobs... what else? Then, I'll say that the highest positions in business still aren't being held by women. (only 5 Fortune 500 company CEO's are women) Finally, I'll talk about the situation in Afganistan.

any other opinions?
 

montanafan

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You might want to do some research on reproductive rights for women. It's kind of difficult for people to believe today, but not that long ago women had to fight for the right to practice birth control in this country. I'm not talking religion either. It was actually illegal. Sort of a keep 'em barefoot and pregnant kind of philosophy. Many believe that it was the biggest step in liberating women.
 

qacwac

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Here is what I would write about. (I'm doubting you will though)

1. Man and woman together are the image of God. Not man alone, not woman alone. Man mirrors God's authoritative qualities more and woman mirrors God's tender and creative qualities more. That's why marriage is so incredible (though I'm not married) because it joins the image bearers of God into one flesh.
2. So in this man and woman are equal. Both bear the image of God.
However...
3. As stated above their roles are different. The Bible makes it very clear that a man that does not provide for his household is worse than an infidel. That he is the head of the wife just as Christ is the head of the church. The Bible also makes it clear that a woman's primary place is in the home (assuming she is married and her husband is providing) but it also shows that she is a woman of industry. (read Proverbs 31) Paul also makes it very clear that she is to submit to her husband in all things that are not sin. Now before you go bashing me for this let me tell you of the man's role. The man is to love his wife as Christ loves the church and gave himself up for it. Now to a non-Christian this does not mean very much but to a true Christian that means total self sacrifice, total loyalty, total commitment. If you know Christ then you know how much He puts up with us. How we constantly fail Him and yet He still loves me unconditionally. That is how a man is commanded to love and treat His wife.

So basically what I'm saying is that God has given each sex it's role and to argue that being an image bearer of God is a &quot;misfortune&quot; is ludicruos.

A woman complaining about not being given as much authority as a man is as pointless as me whining to God because I can't have a baby. Sure the mother-child relationship is incredible and I will never have anything quite like that (if I marry and have children) but that is not the role God has given me. I just accept it and so does every other man.


That's what I would write about. Of course if one does not hold that the Bible is the ultimate authority then one isn't going to hold my viewpoint.
 

JenniZ

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What the hell? Are you just a god troll? This thread isnt about god. Blah..

Don't present YOUR god as fact, or my goddess will be angry with you.
 

BoberFett

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JenniZ

From his posting, I think he's a fairly new christian. He has to try it out, kind of like when you learn a new word or buy a new car. :) It happens to all of them. My wife has spent the last year or two vigorously trying to get me to start going back to church. Ugh. :p