Is Israeli a US ally or political liability?

[Freshgeardude]

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As now a777pilot asks a very interesting question, should we look at the world now and say because Egypt under Mubarak was a dictatorship we backed to the hilt, that Egypt thus can never in future can become a democracy?

Or that Israel that is now a democracy must be backed to the hilt as they refuse to give land they can never own to form what in future may become a democratic Palestinian State?

And by that very logic we should still be at war with the monarchy of Japan.

you keep saying "land it can never own"

if you ever take the foot out of your ass, youd see that israel has asked to talk about borders with the PA and they have not showed up.

why should israel stop? they are on the winning side.

they get land in the fertile jordan valley, and will never give it up, so the PA is going to have to make concessions and take Negev land in exchange.


besides, when the PA actually creates a state, then they can officially claim the land, right now, they dont own shit. Israel gave them ruling power from the oslo accords

 

[JEDIYoda]

I can bring this to your attention now, or you can wait a month or two before its still becomes a national and international debate along the same lines.

If nothing else its proves, what I am saying is shared by many inside and outside of Israel.-- It proves nothing. the same amount of people share the opposite view as you and your parents friend Mahmoud(Abbas) share.

I agree with Glenn and Infohawk stop spamming your one sided pro Palestinian diatribe!!

 

[JEDIYoda]

You sure did put a lot of words in my mouth that I never said. But then, this is the internet, so I guess it's just normal SOP.

YES, a777pilot that is lemon laws SOP when he feels his pro-Palestinian beliefs are threatened.

Dude just keep on posting!!

 

[nick1985]

Long live Hamas!

 

[classy]

Israel is an ally, our best ally at that

 

[Macamus Prime]

Israel would gladly take cover behind a wounded America.

We need to look out for ourselves, much like Israel has done from the very beginning for itself.

 

[Fear No Evil]

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Well I gotta admit for once Non-Prof John asks a semi intelligent question.

But still the flaw in the PJ side of the question is in the assumption that we must either back Israel to the hilt or totally oppose Israel? That on the face of it is totally absurd contention worthy of the man from EIB.

Especially when democratic ideal, not caused by the US and Israel are sweeping the mid-east as young and idealistic Arabs reject the very dictators that have stagnated the mid-east for decades.

Its now an opportunity for the USA and Israeli to pick up Arab support, or we can be dumb, try to oppose all change and fail. Its a matter of using carrots to support the change we want, and if the USA and Israeli don't do it smarter nations will eat our lunch.

Those that think in only terms of black and white, can never see the world as it is or exploit moments for change when it comes.

Lemon Head is still trying to make some point of a person's name on an internet forum? LOL. You realize JediYoda is likely neither a Jedi, nor named Yoda right? And Infohawk is probably not a hawk. Macamus Prime is not likely a transformer either.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Lemon Head is still trying to make some point of a person's name on an internet forum? LOL. You realize JediYoda is likely neither a Jedi, nor named Yoda right? And Infohawk is probably not a hawk. Macamus Prime is not likely a transformer either.

While we might infer from your nomenclature rant that you, for instance, may be a trembling little wimp, I can assure you that my user name is indeed valid.
Feel free to call me Joe.

 

[shortylickens]

liability.

And american jews have no fucking clue whats going on over there. If they did they'd jump under the covers and cry.

 

[Genx87]

A420 vs LL in a no holds bar cage match. Who wins?

 

[nick1985]

Lemon Head is still trying to make some point of a person's name on an internet forum? LOL. You realize JediYoda is likely neither a Jedi, nor named Yoda right? And Infohawk is probably not a hawk. Macamus Prime is not likely a transformer either.

He has been saying non-prof john for fucking years. I think he still thinks his little quip is funny. It's rather stupid, everyone thinks so but his ass.

 

[Jaskalas]

Israel would gladly take cover behind a wounded America.

We need to look out for ourselves, much like Israel has done from the very beginning for itself.

Then stop interfering telling Israel what NOT to do. Next time there is a war in the Middle East you sit on the sidelines and let THEM work it out.

Of course I don't believe Dems would do such a thing, when the Muslims lose yet another war over there they'll be demanding a cease fire to provide aid and cover to them. They'll cry about a genocide and all the little terrorists being killed over there. They'll demand action from us to stop Israel.

When people say to look out for ourselves in the Middle East, it tends to translate into look out for the Islamic terrorists. If you TRULY wanted to stand aside, then I would agree with you to do that.

*editied for wrong context, from 'you' to 'Dems'

 

[sao123]

a420 vs ll in a no holds bar cage match. Who wins?

Provided the fight goes to the end... AT P&N.

 

[JEDIYoda]

liability.

And american jews have no fucking clue whats going on over there. If they did they'd jump under the covers and cry.

I shortylickens have no fucking clue whats going on over there!!

Most American Jews that I know are very aware of whats going on over there.

 

[Lemon law]

For all the personal posturing and the speculated cage matches, this thread still says the same basic things.

1. By the end of May, Israel, with the charge being led by both Orens and Netanyuhu speaking to congress, will try to make a PR blitz to the American people.

2. Obama will also have decisions to make in May, regarding how the USA will deal with Israel, a future Palestinians State, with other Quartet members. And what is at stake is the future success of American foreign policy.

3. As Israel makes its PR case to the American people, what counter voices will arise, and what events may bolster or harm the Israeli case as we move to September 2009?

 

[JEDIYoda]

For all the personal posturing and the speculated cage matches, this thread still says the same basic things.

1. By the end of May, Israel, with the charge being led by both Orens and Netanyuhu speaking to congress, will try to make a PR blitz to the American people.

2. Obama will also have decisions to make in May, regarding how the USA will deal with Israel, a future Palestinians State, with other Quartet members. And what is at stake is the future success of American foreign policy.

3. As Israel makes its PR case to the American people, what counter voices will arise, and what events may bolster or harm the Israeli case as we move to September 2009?

 

[Anarchist420]

The OP's question doesn't make any sense. Alliances are always liabilities... unless you're on the Federal payroll. Our membership in the UN needs to cease now and cease for all time to come, as do our alliances with Israel and U.K.

Whenever there is a war, the US should stay the fuck out of it.

 

[Harabec]

What I'd like to know is why there hasn't been a word from our resident terrorist-supporter LL about the Syrian government's full-scale wipeout of its citizens happening as we speak.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Why does Obama have to make any decision in May as to what he is going to do.

With the exception of a few Jewish support groups in the US, few Americans are going to pay attention to what Netanyuhu has to say. It is more to impress upon the Congress what Isreal stands for and where they want to go.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Why does Obama have to make any decision in May as to what he is going to do.

With the exception of a few Jewish support groups in the US, few Americans are going to pay attention to what Netanyuhu has to say. It is more to impress upon the Congress what Isreal stands for and where they want to go.

All excellent points!!

 

[EagleKeeper]

What I'd like to know is why there hasn't been a word from our resident terrorist-supporter LL about the Syrian government's full-scale wipeout of its citizens happening as we speak.

Simple answer

Syria is an Arab country and Assad is not going after the Palestinians.

 

[Lemon law]

Since my stand on Syria and Iran will be my next thread, have nothing to do with Israel, I will answer those questions on my next thread.

 

[Doppel]

both

How many other relevant countries in that part of the world are real democracies not run by f**king idiots?

 

[0roo0roo]

i'm sure you'd get most of the world on our side if we built some death camps, that is the ugly reality.
even the supposedly cool and open minded dutch have casual antisemetic attitudes
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4046146,00.html
yea after a football game lets sing about hunting jews....

kinda like if americans sang about hunting n*****s casually after a football game, to do such a thing there has to be an under current of vicious racism in your society.

 

[Lemon law]

both

How many other relevant countries in that part of the world are real democracies not run by f**king idiots?

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As if Israel is not also a semi relevant country presently run by f**king idiots.

But that is the odd thing about the Mid-east, because in terms of Western civilization, nearly all the present mid-east players have histories stretching back 4000 years.


But in terms of Israel, its been somewhat a special case football, and in the case of Israel, seldom has any given entity ever controlled Israel for a run of even 100 years.