Is Iran next?

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: kermalou
As a Persian/Iranian, all I say is, BOMB THE FVCK OUT OF THEM.

the people of Iran are different than the people that run the country. The gov't will be toppled from inside sooner than anything, the youth of Iran are hungry for change.

I have many friends from Iran that come here for college and they can't stand it there at all.

PLEASE KNOCK THEM OUT.....

How is beverly hills high school working out for you? I hear you all get a 1-week holiday because 90% of the school is Iranian.
Are you one of the Iranians that support the Shah?
Jewish Iranian? Just curious, has nothing to do with anything.

 

[faiznne]

Great, another war for Israel. Is there anything that the United States doesn't do for its "best buddy and greatest ally" Israel?

We took out Saddam Hussein and we pulled out of the Middle East peace talks. Now we're gonna attack Iran? For what reason? We need to get out of this mess. Bush is already hated worldwide and in the U.S. for his Iraq War blunder.

 

[BarneyFife]

Why would we care about Iran? I don't care if they blow up Israel. Its not my problem. All Israel does is bring us problems.

 

[Kibbo]

If you let your republic fail, and fall into an empire, the resources you spend keeping your vassal states in line will suck your economy dry. With your military expenditures compromising your ability to stay on top, China, the next great civilization, will rise (as it has in the past).

/Picks up Mandarin for Dummies.

 

[slyedog]

quoted from kermalou:


the people of Iran are different than the people that run the country. The gov't will be toppled from inside sooner than anything, the youth of Iran are hungry for change.


and that is the same way that the bush adminstration has it figured.

 

[kermalou]

Originally posted by: Aimster

How is beverly hills high school working out for you? I hear you all get a 1-week holiday because 90% of the school is Iranian.
Are you one of the Iranians that support the Shah?
Jewish Iranian? Just curious, has nothing to do with anything.

let's see I graduated over 9 years ago (Class of '95).

The school is maybe 30 - 40% Persian and we got all of the Jewish holdays off as well as the Christian holidays (school is maybe 60% jewish).

 

[CWRMadcat]

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Strk
No one will ever attack Iran. Why? Do a brief study on Iranian battle tactics for the Iran-Iraq War. You don't jump into a war when people will fight like that.(unless all you want is a high number of casualties)

But then again, there is no need for an invation to achieve what Israel wants and that is preventing Iran from getting the bomb.

Fixed.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: oldman420
So Iran is developing nuclear weapons and effective delivery systems.

Old news old man. 😛
😀

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: raildogg
NO, Iran is not next. A military invasion will be a HUGE failure. We must support the people of Iran in their quest for democracy, they are an educated people and have the means to stand up against the government.

They just need outside help.

We do not have sufficient forces to take on Iran's military, which might be the best in the MIDeast, its almost equal to that of Israel. Israel has more advanced weapons systems, but Iran has sheer numbers.

Iran's sheer number will not come to play since a great buffer zone rests between it and Israel - Jordan and Iraq - both can't be forced to transfer military equipment. moreover, Israel and US don't seek an invation of Iran but rather preventing it from obtaining nukes; this objective can be accomplished by either IDF or US military, let alone combining the power of them both.

I do have to note though, that Iran could have Hizbulla fire up the northern Israeli border, but if more advanced weapon systems are to be used by them, Israel will not rest in the corner and let that happen.

but Iran has some very fine weapon systems as well. Israel knows its too risky to try any type of air strike, it worked in Iraq 20 years ago, but the chances of Israel having the same success here are slim

It took'em 10 years to declare victory over Saddam in the Iran-Iraq war and even then it was not a decisive one.

Furthermore, Israel will have to face the Iranian threat sooner or later; It is obvious why Iran's current regime does everything it can to accomplish the goal of obtaining nukes: to wipe Israel's greatest military advantage what will enable it to further undermine the Israeli state using far greater measures and increasing the terror actions it is using against Israel as we speak.
Others suggest it may consider the possibility of wiping tiny Israel even if the cost might seem too high...

Israel better deal with it now before Iran gets what it wants.

LOL! you think Israel can take on Iran without the help of the US and could win?
You're very naive, Iran is the one of the strongest country in the middle-east just look at their new military capabilities, I'm not talking about 1988 we are in 2004 buddy. Israel has Nuke big deal, Iran has ballistic missiles. Maybe next year they'll have a nuke missile and a satellite system try to beat Iran without facing huge losses!

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: slyedog


quoted from kermalou:


the people of Iran are different than the people that run the country. The gov't will be toppled from inside sooner than anything, the youth of Iran are hungry for change.


and that is the same way that the bush adminstration has it figured.

That has been the policy before Bush came to office.

 

[AnImuS]

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: raildogg
NO, Iran is not next. A military invasion will be a HUGE failure. We must support the people of Iran in their quest for democracy, they are an educated people and have the means to stand up against the government.

They just need outside help.

We do not have sufficient forces to take on Iran's military, which might be the best in the MIDeast, its almost equal to that of Israel. Israel has more advanced weapons systems, but Iran has sheer numbers.

Iran's sheer number will not come to play since a great buffer zone rests between it and Israel - Jordan and Iraq - both can't be forced to transfer military equipment. moreover, Israel and US don't seek an invation of Iran but rather preventing it from obtaining nukes; this objective can be accomplished by either IDF or US military, let alone combining the power of them both.

I do have to note though, that Iran could have Hizbulla fire up the northern Israeli border, but if more advanced weapon systems are to be used by them, Israel will not rest in the corner and let that happen.

but Iran has some very fine weapon systems as well. Israel knows its too risky to try any type of air strike, it worked in Iraq 20 years ago, but the chances of Israel having the same success here are slim

It took'em 10 years to declare victory over Saddam in the Iran-Iraq war and even then it was not a decisive one.

Furthermore, Israel will have to face the Iranian threat sooner or later; It is obvious why Iran's current regime does everything it can to accomplish the goal of obtaining nukes: to wipe Israel's greatest military advantage what will enable it to further undermine the Israeli state using far greater measures and increasing the terror actions it is using against Israel as we speak.
Others suggest it may consider the possibility of wiping tiny Israel even if the cost might seem too high...

Israel better deal with it now before Iran gets what it wants.

LOL! you think Israel can take on Iran without the help of the US and could win?
You're very naive, Iran is the one of the strongest country in the middle-east just look at their new military capabilities, I'm not talking about 1988 we are in 2004 buddy. Israel has Nuke big deal, Iran has ballistic missiles. Maybe next year they'll have a nuke missile and a satellite system try to beat Iran without facing huge losses!

Nuclear missiles are enough for israel to destroy Iran. when the USA dropped them on japan they
(each bomb) instantly killed 100,000+ people or so. Over the years these bombs have become many times stronger then the ones the US used. Israel is estimated at having 200 or more nukes and have put them on subs aswell. I'd take nuclear missiles over ballistic missiles any day.

now on to the o.g. question. USA military intervention will be the last restort. Thats if the Mossad cant covertly destroy or halt the nuclear building process either by espionage or military bombing etc. But i doubty we will invade Iran.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: raildogg
We do not have sufficient forces to take on Iran's military, which might be the best in the MIDeast, its almost equal to that of Israel.

Sad we wasted them in Iraq eh?

no, not wasted.

 

[ntdz]

we dont need to invade Iran. Bombing the living sh!t out of them should do the trick if they won't give into the UN/EU's demands.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: AnImuS
Nuclear missiles are enough for israel to destroy Iran. when the USA dropped them on japan they
(each bomb) instantly killed 100,000+ people or so. Over the years these bombs have become many times stronger then the ones the US used. Israel is estimated at having 200 or more nukes and have put them on subs aswell. I'd take nuclear missiles over ballistic missiles any day.

now on to the o.g. question. USA military intervention will be the last restort. Thats if the Mossad cant covertly destroy or halt the nuclear building process either by espionage or military bombing etc. But i doubty we will invade Iran.

Any chance you have a source for the nuclear capabilities of Israel? I wouldn't mind reading up on it a bit.

Iran nuking Israel or vice versa is one of three scenarios I see for the start of WW III. Not a happy thought at all.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Iraqis had no pride. They had no reason to fight. Most of them dropped their weapons and went home. They didn't even understand the gulf war and had no idea why they were there. Attack Iran and get rid of the regime the people hate and you will not see people dancing on the streets if the U.S does it. Nobody in Iran wants U.S troops on the ground. They did in the past, but Bush has labeled them an axis of evil. Iranians hate Bush.

How do Iraqis have no pride? 😉 Right now i see plenty and its resulting mainly from Iraqi desires to as you say, not wanting U.S troops on the ground. That is plainly evident enough. Reason asto why Iraq didn't fight? Who knows right now, but they would have been slaughtered if they met American troops on the battlefield and we all know that. To try to argue that "pride" has to be equated with meeting the opponent on the battlefield is a pretty idealistic view of a situation that must be treated very pragmatically.

I suggested an air attack only on government strongholds, but people said that idea sucked. I still don't understand why. Most of the t.v Iranians watch is coming from California from independent Iranian stations. They could broadcast that the bombings are to help the people get their freedom.

HAha...so true because whenever i'm flipping channels and its a Farsi speaking station they always have an areacode down here...
But do you think the entire population would beleive that? Or do you think they'd realize it for the propaganda it would be. If we ever attacked Iran, it is not to quench the people's desire for freedom or anything similar to that~it would be to further our interests and our current interests is to make sure oil production continues at a high rate.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Trente

1.) Yes, you are obviously pro Arab. it is reflected over and over when you try to stand up against actions of extreme muslims and/or arab nations are taking, while presenting Israel as the "bad boy" in this case.

He isn't pro Arab. You should look further into what he says rather than "Criticize Isreal means he is pro arab!!!"

2.) In Israel we don't have colleges. we got uni's... In any case, being in college suggests nothing on he/she ability to understand how the world works.

I can't beleive you just said that...does make me qusetion your intellegence, however I will give you the benefit of the doubt because I will agree on the notion that being in college does not implying understanding of the situation. But atlesat it raises the chance the person may have an idea at to WTF is going on in a situation.

3.) Solid facts? I am talking about are facts that your biased media seem to avoid reporting or report it in such a manner that one could only form a single point of view and that is - surprise surprise - an anti-Israeli one. but you seem to reject those on the spot. so much for listening someone from within the conflict trying to come up with new pointers...

American MEdia Biased against Isreal! What in the world are you watching? OVer here, Isreal can do no wrong and anything it does is to ALWAYS "protect itself". Pay attention in the media here- if palestinian children die the media reports their age and says "a five year old palestinian was killed", whereas with Isreal you'll notice comments that bring the "humanistic" side out: "an Isreali Youth was killed". In this media, it is never Isreal that does the killing-->it is always "Isreali gun fire"....pay attention to the media here and its amazing how much bias there is towards you guys.

5.) You are a true a$s - nobody here respects you (got your car keyed, huh?), at least not more than he/she respects me. and even if someone here does - then damn you Klixxer!

So now you want me to get the fvck off and stop posting cause you can't handle me?

I think not!

You are the one who is mistaken if you think no one respects Aimster. I'm sure many do not agree with him in everything, and i especially do not, but to run around making statements like this shows that you are concerned not with debating the issue at hand, but trying to destroy the person-->you would make a good politician.
And Why hate Klixxer? Is it beceause he is Jewish and is totally opposed to what Isreal does? Are you mad that someone who is Jewish doesn't support the horrible acts of Isreal carte blanche? Regardless of the reason, it is pretty childish to come out and bash a person randomly in a thread in which they are not even a part of. Just shows your frustation with anything that isn't pro- isreal.

 

[Trente]

Show me a thread where I have stood up for the actions of Arabs. Again you do not know what you are talking about. So if you are not 100% behind Israel then you are pro-Arab now?

My point exactly!

And if you are not following: being pro-Arab and on the other hand pro-Israeli doesn't make you a racist.

Rarely when I post has anyone ever argued with me because I have my facts straight. Your facts are your own opinion. Opinions don't equal facts. I don't think I have ever seen you state anything that is fact. All you post is hate.

Problem is, your facts are coming from biased news reports. obviously it isn't your fault and I can understand why you don't wanna listen to what I say since the only facts I can give you in order to back my sayings are from Israeli news report - but then again, those are considered biased toward Israel, huh? :roll:

Our bias news? You must watch every news station we get here in the U.S, including the BBC I receive. Last time I checked nobody turns into trente news to get the latest accurate information.

Trente news = Israeli news. but unlike Arab news reports out there, who would never go against their own country, in Israel we get reports that show us the ugly side of the conflict: not long ago there was a big thread about the palestinian girl who was gunned down and that report was brought by 'haaretz' (BTW, 'haaretz' means "the country" in hebrew); hence, it was considered reliable, right?

But once back, when I gave a link for a report at 'haaretz' you told me this is not a reliable source.

Would you make up your mind? :roll:

Saudi Arabia/Egypt/Jordan = friends of the U.S. You don't see people from those countries coming on here defending them. Of course to you they are Arabs and they are scum.

I never said Arabs are scum and i'm sorry if that is what you concluded from my posts. 😕

You are not Israel News for people to listen to. Nobody takes your opinions seriously. Like I said you are nobody but an average citizen of Israel. If you were the PM people would listen.

I get my facts from Israeli news reports. I have already related to that above. I bet if Sharon was posting here he'd get his a$s bashed all over the place.

I still don't get your point as to why you defend Israel so much in these threads. All you do is bash Arabs.

Because there's a handful of people here presenting our side, while everyone else present the other side according to what is reported by foreign news agencies. It is beginning to seem pointless to me, though.

BTW anyone can handle you. You are one of those people who have to have the last word. Even if the last 50 posts of yours is nothing but nagging.

:thumbsdown:

Good Luck.

Yeah, right...

 

[Trente]

but trying to destroy the person-->you would make a good politician.

10x, I guess.

And Why hate Klixxer?

I don't hate Klixxer. I was kidding about that - it's just that Klixxer once bashed me and praised Aimster in an argument he wasn't a part of, and so in a way only Klixxer could respect me less than Aimster (again, j/k)

it is pretty childish to come out and bash a person randomly in a thread in which they are not even a part of.

Klixxer did that to me once... It was payback time for him. here, look for his first post in this thread:

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[rickn]

Originally posted by: AnImuS

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: raildogg
NO, Iran is not next. A military invasion will be a HUGE failure. We must support the people of Iran in their quest for democracy, they are an educated people and have the means to stand up against the government.

They just need outside help.

We do not have sufficient forces to take on Iran's military, which might be the best in the MIDeast, its almost equal to that of Israel. Israel has more advanced weapons systems, but Iran has sheer numbers.

Iran's sheer number will not come to play since a great buffer zone rests between it and Israel - Jordan and Iraq - both can't be forced to transfer military equipment. moreover, Israel and US don't seek an invation of Iran but rather preventing it from obtaining nukes; this objective can be accomplished by either IDF or US military, let alone combining the power of them both.

I do have to note though, that Iran could have Hizbulla fire up the northern Israeli border, but if more advanced weapon systems are to be used by them, Israel will not rest in the corner and let that happen.

but Iran has some very fine weapon systems as well. Israel knows its too risky to try any type of air strike, it worked in Iraq 20 years ago, but the chances of Israel having the same success here are slim

It took'em 10 years to declare victory over Saddam in the Iran-Iraq war and even then it was not a decisive one.

Furthermore, Israel will have to face the Iranian threat sooner or later; It is obvious why Iran's current regime does everything it can to accomplish the goal of obtaining nukes: to wipe Israel's greatest military advantage what will enable it to further undermine the Israeli state using far greater measures and increasing the terror actions it is using against Israel as we speak.
Others suggest it may consider the possibility of wiping tiny Israel even if the cost might seem too high...

Israel better deal with it now before Iran gets what it wants.

LOL! you think Israel can take on Iran without the help of the US and could win?
You're very naive, Iran is the one of the strongest country in the middle-east just look at their new military capabilities, I'm not talking about 1988 we are in 2004 buddy. Israel has Nuke big deal, Iran has ballistic missiles. Maybe next year they'll have a nuke missile and a satellite system try to beat Iran without facing huge losses!

Nuclear missiles are enough for israel to destroy Iran. when the USA dropped them on japan they
(each bomb) instantly killed 100,000+ people or so. Over the years these bombs have become many times stronger then the ones the US used. Israel is estimated at having 200 or more nukes and have put them on subs aswell. I'd take nuclear missiles over ballistic missiles any day.

now on to the o.g. question. USA military intervention will be the last restort. Thats if the Mossad cant covertly destroy or halt the nuclear building process either by espionage or military bombing etc. But i doubty we will invade Iran.

oh yes, and I'm sure their neightbors like pakistan and afghanistan will love the radioactive fallout. Sometimes some of you people throw around the nuke card like it's giving out halloween candy. Iran is a pretty big country, up until not recently we didn't even know of Natanz and Arak until defectors exposed them. How many other facilities are hidden away in Iran, underground or in mountains, that we don't know of. If they have built redundancy into their plans, they have backups.

 

[colonel]

you are wrong, the goverment said Iraq has WMD, No Iran, you got the WRONG information, you must be living in a place without library.

TextSo Iran is developing nuclear weapons and effective delivery systems.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: ntdz
we dont need to invade Iran. Bombing the living sh!t out of them should do the trick if they won't give into the UN/EU's demands.

another idiotic post.

Iran IS NOT IRAQ OR AFGHANISTAN. HELLO.

It has sophisticated air defenses, and the US military leaders know that, obviously you dont.

I dont understand how people say we should invade Iran or bomb it, dont you people get that we have a troop shortage and Iran is a HUGE country three times the size of Iraq. We have lost 1000 soldiers and civilians in Iraq, and most of them in the postwar.

In Iran, that figure would be many times higher. Not worth it. The Iranians want a change and if we give them support, change can occur. But we're doing it right now.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: ntdz
we dont need to invade Iran. Bombing the living sh!t out of them should do the trick if they won't give into the UN/EU's demands.

another idiotic post.

Iran IS NOT IRAQ OR AFGHANISTAN. HELLO.

It has sophisticated air defenses, and the US military leaders know that, obviously you dont.

I dont understand how people say we should invade Iran or bomb it, dont you people get that we have a troop shortage and Iran is a HUGE country three times the size of Iraq. We have lost 1000 soldiers and civilians in Iraq, and most of them in the postwar.

In Iran, that figure would be many times higher. Not worth it. The Iranians want a change and if we give them support, change can occur. But we're doing it right now.

People prefer to go with shortsighted ideas based on little facts other than we have big bombs, this should be well known by now.