BaliBabyDoc, your pretty theory might have worked in Europe and/or America. but it, unfortunately, doesn't apply to the ME... at least not with the regimes currently controlling most of the states in it. Israel has to play according to the rules of that game, or else it would be destroyed.
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They have vast natural gas reserves as well.
Iran has enough internal issues that may tear them apart. A nation demographically similar to Iraq, primarily young, they are eager for change and a successfull free Iraq next door will cause tremndous inner turmoil in Iran.
Do yourself a favor, go into an Iranian chat room sometime. Yahoo has the only one I know of, but it does the trick. Since the net is govt controlled in Iran some are reluctant to speak openly, but you will find a few here and there to chat with.
0marTheZealot
Golden Member
The whole world would be doing that practically if Iranians killed their oil production by physically blowing up all the oil wells/derricks. Oil would instantly go to 200+ dollars a barrel and the world would be plunged into depression. You think the recession was bad? This will be a 100 times worse.
Iraqi oil production was almost negigible compared to Iranian. But with even the loss of half of Iraq's exports, oil has jumped (along with other factors of course) to 55+ a barrel. A loss of 3 million+ barrels a day would be absolutely devastating. Of course I don't think the government there has the balls to do so. It'd be a great oppurtinity to strike back with the only real weapons they have.
assemblage
Senior member
No. The matter will be resolved diplomatically through the UN. Unfortunately, ss the UN has demonstrated, they will do nothing because the Iranian hatred is aimed at the US, not the EU countries, communist countries or Russia. That and the UN is impotent and has a slight corruption problem. If Iran goes nuclear there is a good chance that they will use it on the US...or get someone else to do it so they aren't implicated. Israel is as good as dead.
It's also a very false notion that the President just invades countries on a whim. War is approved of in Congress. The President has no authority to enter a war without Congressional approval. Even Iraq was the result of Saddam's own murderous agression and refusal to abide by the terms of his surrender and over a decade of UN involvement to insure he did.
The "there's going to be a draft because we are going to invade Iran and North Korea" type of propaganda are leftist scare tactics that don't jive with reality..
It's also a very false notion that the President just invades countries on a whim. War is approved of in Congress. The President has no authority to enter a war without Congressional approval. Even Iraq was the result of Saddam's own murderous agression and refusal to abide by the terms of his surrender and over a decade of UN involvement to insure he did.
The "there's going to be a draft because we are going to invade Iran and North Korea" type of propaganda are leftist scare tactics that don't jive with reality..
CycloWizard
Lifer
We have 2,000,000+ members in our military. Iran has about 350,000. We need a draft to have any hope!
Are you afraid of their air force? A handful of planes from the 70's? I'm not. Tanks? Nope, definitely not worried about them. The only thing that our military needs to worry about from Iran is the aftermath, once again. If they tried to stand up and fight us, they would be completely eviscerated. The problem is that our technology has so far outstripped the rest of the world's that they realize they can't win in a straight-up fight, so they go to ground, as this negates much of what we bring to the table. Research is shifting to make our technology more effective in fighting this kind of war, but it will never be easy. How can you effectively fight an enemy that doesn't abide by the rules of war when you yourself are trying to abide by them?
BS.
US fought the Germans and Japanese - these were extreme enemies AND had very advanced capabilities in battle, almost on par with the US and sometimes better - back at the time.
Iranians are just extreme...
But then again, there is no need for an invation to achieve what Israel, US and the rest of the western world wants and that is preventing Iran from getting the bomb.
Attacking Iran would be hell for the U.S and the middle east. Iranians have pride when it comes to their country. They will send millions of men to battle and they will fight to protect their homeland. They hate the current regime right now, but the U.S stepping in to tell them what to do is just going to make them side with the regime they hate. Iran has enough power to bring Israel into the war as well. They have troops in lebanon and artillery able to hit Israeli cities. They have missles that can reach Israel and any attack on them will be taken out against Israel since Israel will most likely be the country to attack them. They are upgrading their tanks/aircraft with the latest Russian military equipment ($7 billion). They already received their military equipment in the mid 90s and they want to upgrade that. They haven't had 10-years of sanctions to make them weak. If anything their economy has been improving (yet the mullahs still control everything).
Iraqis had no pride. They had no reason to fight. Most of them dropped their weapons and went home. They didn't even understand the gulf war and had no idea why they were there. Attack Iran and get rid of the regime the people hate and you will not see people dancing on the streets if the U.S does it. Nobody in Iran wants U.S troops on the ground. They did in the past, but Bush has labeled them an axis of evil. Iranians hate Bush.
The best approach is to attack the regime and not the country. How do you do that? I don't know I am not a military man. Maybe if Washington opened up talks and actually talked to the President of Iran they could figure something out. The mullahs have 15,000 republican guards. The President has 10,000 loyal fighters under his wing. Something can be done when the President hates the Mullahs.
I suggested an air attack only on government strongholds, but people said that idea sucked. I still don't understand why. Most of the t.v Iranians watch is coming from California from independent Iranian stations. They could broadcast that the bombings are to help the people get their freedom.
Or you could just let them have their nukes and let them be. Iran won't attack anyone. They are just talk and nobody listens to them (even the people in their country).
This is why we went to war with Iraq over Iran. Iraq was an easy target. This is why North Korea/Iran will be left alone unless I am right about Israel attacking their nuclear sites. (Iran does have russian missle defenses all around their nuclear sites).
Iraqis had no pride. They had no reason to fight. Most of them dropped their weapons and went home. They didn't even understand the gulf war and had no idea why they were there. Attack Iran and get rid of the regime the people hate and you will not see people dancing on the streets if the U.S does it. Nobody in Iran wants U.S troops on the ground. They did in the past, but Bush has labeled them an axis of evil. Iranians hate Bush.
The best approach is to attack the regime and not the country. How do you do that? I don't know I am not a military man. Maybe if Washington opened up talks and actually talked to the President of Iran they could figure something out. The mullahs have 15,000 republican guards. The President has 10,000 loyal fighters under his wing. Something can be done when the President hates the Mullahs.
I suggested an air attack only on government strongholds, but people said that idea sucked. I still don't understand why. Most of the t.v Iranians watch is coming from California from independent Iranian stations. They could broadcast that the bombings are to help the people get their freedom.
Or you could just let them have their nukes and let them be. Iran won't attack anyone. They are just talk and nobody listens to them (even the people in their country).
This is why we went to war with Iraq over Iran. Iraq was an easy target. This is why North Korea/Iran will be left alone unless I am right about Israel attacking their nuclear sites. (Iran does have russian missle defenses all around their nuclear sites).
CycloWizard
Lifer
Exactly. The draft doesn't have anything to do with the aftermath. We could have 500,000,000 troops there and it would still be hell.
Iraq attacked Iran right after their Shah regime fell. That regime had the strongest military in the region. Almost all of their weapons were U.S made. However, every general in the Iranian military is now living in the U.S and has been for the last 20+ years. They ran when the Shah ran. All the people in power who trained with the U.S seals left and their military was useless without proper authority.
Iran still maintains a handful of f14's, hehe. Iraq-Iran war taught Iranians hard lessons, one of them being how to be self-sufficient militarily. They've got many indigenous designs for missiles, surface-to-surface missiles, tanks, etc. They have a huge missile inventory, one of if not the largest in that region of the world. They certainly would be a formidable opponent.
I don't believe Israel or the USA could attack Iran without drawing in other major powers. Iran is #2 or #3 supplier of oil to China.
I don't believe Israel or the USA could attack Iran without drawing in other major powers. Iran is #2 or #3 supplier of oil to China.
BaliBabyDoc
Lifer
Dude, why do Bushophiles keep referencing WWII when the more appropriate analogy is to Vietnam?
Did I say we would lose? There is a difference in saying we would lose and saying it would result in massive casualities. Just look up the numbers for your example, two extreme cases where we were attacked by a powerful enemy, which we in turn fought back.(along with those other folks, you know, the allies.)
RabidMongoose
Lifer
The US is part of the NPT.
I'm racist? Oh really? Show me how.
I know how the world works. I doubt you even finished 1 year of college. You constantly get proven wrong and you can never come back (especially in your pro-Israel debates). You just nag and nag with no solid facts.
You seem to think anandtech.com cares about Israel as much as you. You also seem to believe average american citizens are as pro Israeli as you. You are a lost little boy.
Truth is I could careless for Israel and I am sure many more people on this forum will say the same. The majority of us are Americans not Israelis. We care for America a lot more than we ever care for another country.
Take it to an Israeli site.
1.) Yes, you are obviously pro Arab. it is reflected over and over when you try to stand up against actions of extreme muslims and/or arab nations are taking, while presenting Israel as the "bad boy" in this case.
2.) In Israel we don't have colleges. we got uni's... In any case, being in college suggests nothing on he/she ability to understand how the world works.
3.) Solid facts? I am talking about are facts that your biased media seem to avoid reporting or report it in such a manner that one could only form a single point of view and that is - surprise surprise - an anti-Israeli one. but you seem to reject those on the spot. so much for listening someone from within the conflict trying to come up with new pointers...
4.) I know no one here cares for Israel and I have never thought that anyone here should in any case. there is a difference between saying Israel is a better friend to US than Iran, then saying Israel is a part of America.
Which of the two is reflected by my posts? obviously the 1ts one!
5.) You are a true a$s - nobody here respects you (got your car keyed, huh?), at least not more than he/she respects me. and even if someone here does - then damn you Klixxer!
So now you want me to get the fvck off and stop posting cause you can't handle me?
I think not!
As a Persian/Iranian, all I say is, BOMB THE FVCK OUT OF THEM.
the people of Iran are different than the people that run the country. The gov't will be toppled from inside sooner than anything, the youth of Iran are hungry for change.
I have many friends from Iran that come here for college and they can't stand it there at all.
PLEASE KNOCK THEM OUT.....
the people of Iran are different than the people that run the country. The gov't will be toppled from inside sooner than anything, the youth of Iran are hungry for change.
I have many friends from Iran that come here for college and they can't stand it there at all.
PLEASE KNOCK THEM OUT.....
Show me a thread where I have stood up for the actions of Arabs. Again you do not know what you are talking about. So if you are not 100% behind Israel then you are pro-Arab now?
Rarely when I post has anyone ever argued with me because I have my facts straight. Your facts are your own opinion. Opinions don't equal facts. I don't think I have ever seen you state anything that is fact. All you post is hate.
Our bias news? You must watch every news station we get here in the U.S, including the BBC I receive. Last time I checked nobody turns into trente news to get the latest accurate information.
Saudi Arabia/Egypt/Jordan = friends of the U.S. You don't see people from those countries coming on here defending them. Of course to you they are Arabs and they are scum.
You are not Israel News for people to listen to. Nobody takes your opinions seriously. Like I said you are nobody but an average citizen of Israel. If you were the PM people would listen.
I still don't get your point as to why you defend Israel so much in these threads. All you do is bash Arabs.
You won't get far with anyone that way. Maybe in an Israeli board, but not here.
BTW anyone can handle you. You are one of those people who have to have the last word. Even if the last 50 posts of yours is nothing but nagging.
Good Luck.
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