if it's a gift, the ipod is prob the best bet. however, i just replaced my ipod mini for a zen micro. initially i had purchased a rio carbon because i couldn't find anyone that carried it, but finally found on at compusa. the carbon is going back today - it would have been superior to the ipod in ever way if it weren't for 2 idiotic features: (1) dragging and dropping songs into a previously created playlist completely erases that playlist it and replaces it w/ the new song. (2) you can't scroll/view songs in a playlist - you have to click "next" until you find a particular song you want to listen to.
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