Is intel not telling us something?

[dangerman1337]

When IDF was at san fransisco we just saw sandy bridge but the one thing that made me suspicous is that we didn't see what the roadmap was after haswell or even recieve any info about haswell while back in april 2006 before conroe they were talking about nehalem and sandy bridge (know as gheser back then): http://digitimes.com/mobos/a20060428PR213.html (ignore the gheser for 2010, it was probably desitned to come at late 2010 rather than earlier).

My question is that; Why intel? Is your plans going to change? Is the traditional roadmap we've seen for the last few years going to be chucked out? Are we not going to see a traditional PC processer after haswell (or its shrink)?

 

[TuxDave]

So you just want more codenames?

 

[Idontcare]

2013/2014 is 16nm Rockwell

What far into the future do you need to see the roadmappery extend to?

 

[Nemesis 1]

What IDC said as for not mentioning IVY bridge I see your point except intel did say that 22nm chips will come out in 2h 2011. Most assume its Ivy bridge . I don't think it is . I believe its Knights corner as it appears around the time of 2011SB for servers.

 

[bamacre]

Is it safe to assume we'll see Sandy Bridge Xeon equivalents out around the same time?

 

[tweakboy]

Oh boy So no new technology processers after the i7 980 extreme until 2013 ? 2014 ?

It will be called i9 I read somewhere and will have 16 cores hmmmmmmm

 

[Idontcare]

Oh boy So no new technology processers after the i7 980 extreme until 2013 ? 2014 ?

It will be called i9 I read somewhere and will have 16 cores hmmmmmmm

We've got Sandy Bridge, then Ivy Bridge, then Haswell, and then Rockwell.

Each come roughly one year apart.

 

[ilkhan]

Oh boy So no new technology processers after the i7 980 extreme until 2013 ? 2014 ?

It will be called i9 I read somewhere and will have 16 cores hmmmmmmm

i7 980X is 32nm. We'll see 22nm late next year (Ivy Bridge) and 16nm 2 (officially, perhaps 3 if there are problems) years after that (2013/2014) with Rockwell.
(what IDC said, "Sandy Bridge"->"Ivy Bridge"->"Haswell"->"Rockwell". )

 

[bamacre]

I'm hoping a decent Sandy Bridge will keep me happy until 16nm goodness comes along.

 

[BD231]

We've got Sandy Bridge, then Ivy Bridge, then Haswell, and then Rockwell.

Each come roughly one year apart.

He's a certified nut no worries.

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[OCGuy]

I'm hoping a decent Sandy Bridge will keep me happy until 16nm goodness comes along.

A SB should be relevant far longer than even 775 is/was. At least that is my prediction.

As far as OP, I can only scratch my head.

 

[dangerman1337]

2013/2014 is 16nm Rockwell

What far into the future do you need to see the roadmappery extend to?

The only source for rockwell was from charile though and we don't know what the arch will be after has/rockwell unlike in April 2006 we knew what the archs after nehalem were going to be before when conroe/core 2 duo was going to be released.

 

[Catalina588]

1. Gulftown Core i7-980x is 32 nm and is all Intel needs in 2010 and into 2011 to remain king of the silicon hill. So no competitive reason to do anything for the moment with enthusiast line-up other than tweaking prices and bins of current Core i7 lineup.
2. Sandybridge is the 32 nm mid-range for 2011. With integrated graphics in Sandy Bridge, enthusiasts may well want to continue buying Core i7 on socket 1366 into 2011.
3. Haswell is 22 nm high-end scheduled for second half 2011. That's vague for a reason, and the reason is AMD Bulldozer. Both Intel and AMD are obscuring feature details for obvious competitive reasons, so don't expect to know much more until the Bulldozer launch in Q3 (or whenever AMD can get it out the door).
4. Intel has not said much at all about Haswell beyond socket 2011 and 22 nm. Will Haswell, for example, have integrated graphics that's not desired by enthusiasts and Xeon server buyers?
5. A plausible scenario says Intel holds back Haswell release until the company has AMD's Bulldozer specs in crosshairs, then sets price/performance accordingly.
6. A second plausible scenario is that Bulldozer is late, since AMD is attempting a tick-tock -- an architecture and a process change at one time and a huge opportunity to slip delivery. In that case, Intel may well launch Haswell as the bar for AMD to beat, knowing it is a process generation ahead and benefits from 22 nm speed and energy advantages.

 

[TemjinGold]

Intel and every other company out there is ALWAYS not telling us something...

 

[ilkhan]

1. Gulftown Core i7-980x is 32 nm and is all Intel needs in 2010 and into 2011 to remain king of the silicon hill. So no competitive reason to do anything for the moment with enthusiast line-up other than tweaking prices and bins of current Core i7 lineup.
2. Sandybridge is the 32 nm mid-range for 2011. With integrated graphics in Sandy Bridge, enthusiasts may well want to continue buying Core i7 on socket 1366 into 2011.
3. Haswell is 22 nm high-end scheduled for second half 2011. That's vague for a reason, and the reason is AMD Bulldozer. Both Intel and AMD are obscuring feature details for obvious competitive reasons, so don't expect to know much more until the Bulldozer launch in Q3 (or whenever AMD can get it out the door).
4. Intel has not said much at all about Haswell beyond socket 2011 and 22 nm. Will Haswell, for example, have integrated graphics that's not desired by enthusiasts and Xeon server buyers?
5. A plausible scenario says Intel holds back Haswell release until the company has AMD's Bulldozer specs in crosshairs, then sets price/performance accordingly.
6. A second plausible scenario is that Bulldozer is late, since AMD is attempting a tick-tock -- an architecture and a process change at one time and a huge opportunity to slip delivery. In that case, Intel may well launch Haswell as the bar for AMD to beat, knowing it is a process generation ahead and benefits from 22 nm speed and energy advantages.

umm....no.
2/3/4 are all wrong, 5/6 rely on 4 and are pretty much wrong.
Just to start, Haswell is Q4'2012-Q1'2013.

 

[Martimus]

1. Gulftown Core i7-980x is 32 nm and is all Intel needs in 2010 and into 2011 to remain king of the silicon hill. So no competitive reason to do anything for the moment with enthusiast line-up other than tweaking prices and bins of current Core i7 lineup.
2. Sandybridge is the 32 nm mid-range for 2011. With integrated graphics in Sandy Bridge, enthusiasts may well want to continue buying Core i7 on socket 1366 into 2011.
3. Haswell is 22 nm high-end scheduled for second half 2011. That's vague for a reason, and the reason is AMD Bulldozer. Both Intel and AMD are obscuring feature details for obvious competitive reasons, so don't expect to know much more until the Bulldozer launch in Q3 (or whenever AMD can get it out the door).
4. Intel has not said much at all about Haswell beyond socket 2011 and 22 nm. Will Haswell, for example, have integrated graphics that's not desired by enthusiasts and Xeon server buyers?
5. A plausible scenario says Intel holds back Haswell release until the company has AMD's Bulldozer specs in crosshairs, then sets price/performance accordingly.
6. A second plausible scenario is that Bulldozer is late, since AMD is attempting a tick-tock -- an architecture and a process change at one time and a huge opportunity to slip delivery. In that case, Intel may well launch Haswell as the bar for AMD to beat, knowing it is a process generation ahead and benefits from 22 nm speed and energy advantages.

Welcome to AT, Catalina!

I agree with really all of your points (although I think you are confusing Haswell with Ivy Bridge, but then maybe the two are synonymous and I am the one who is confused). There are a lot of reasons why we aren't hearing a whole lot about what is going to happen after Sandy Bridge.

 

[aigomorla]

Meh... 990X > 980X

Gaurentee'd.

:X

not spitting out timelines anymore.

Lemme just say WTF happened to our 3G SSDs?
Why did it get so quiet all of a sudden on intel SSD's?

Is it safe to assume we'll see Sandy Bridge Xeon equivalents out around the same time?

I havent heard or seen of any X,L or E brand yet.
For 1155 i am assuming a post launch after consumer.
for 2011 i am assuming a pre launch b4 consumer.

 

[Idontcare]

The only source for rockwell was from charile though and we don't know what the arch will be after has/rockwell unlike in April 2006 we knew what the archs after nehalem were going to be before when conroe/core 2 duo was going to be released.

1) My sources aren't charile (or Charlie of S/A if that is what you meant)...but I was quite sure the info was public from a variety of sources, I'll admit I didn't bother checking though.

2) In April 2006 you most certainly did not know what the arch after Nehalem was going to be like because not even the Sandy Bridge architects at Intel knew at the time. They knew "of" the project and what its objectives kinda entailed, but the architecture was no where near even the beginning stages of being firmed up let alone communicated to anyone publicly.

 

[aigomorla]

1) My sources aren't charile (or Charlie of S/A if that is what you meant)...but I was quite sure the info was public from a variety of sources, I'll admit I didn't bother checking though.

LuLz... Timelines... sigh...

:biggrin:

2) In April 2006 you most certainly did not know what the arch after Nehalem was going to be like because not even the Sandy Bridge architects at Intel knew at the time. They knew "of" the project and what its objectives kinda entailed, but the architecture was no where near even the beginning stages of being firmed up let alone communicated to anyone publicly.

i plead the 5th.
But i7's werent even out in 2006. lolz.
Even then i think i got my first i7 cpu's without boards to evaluate in late 2007.
Umm... dont ask me how long i sat on chips boardless and couldnt evalulate.

I call that the dark times...

 

[Patrick Wolf]

Haswell is what ends the world in 2012. It's AI will infect everything and The Matrix will become a reality.

I'm on to you Intel...

 

[TuxDave]

The only source for rockwell was from charile though and we don't know what the arch will be after has/rockwell unlike in April 2006 we knew what the archs after nehalem were going to be before when conroe/core 2 duo was going to be released.

I googled the name of Intel's next project after Haswell/Rockwell and came up with nothing. Sorry. ^_^

 

[ilkhan]

We just got the name rockwell this year. Next name will be a while.

 

[extra]

The code names don't necessarily matter either, because sometimes what the code name stands for changes completely (nehalem for example).

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Lemme just say WTF happened to our 3G SSDs?
Why did it get so quiet all of a sudden on intel SSD's?

they got pwned by SandForce?