Is illegal immigration a major problem in the USA?

[flexy]

Major problem. Building that wall is not going to solve it. Take away the reasons they come here is how we solve it.

Make it illegal to hire illegals.
Implement a work permit program and people can register in a pool to be selected for employment and residency here, as long as they are employed. This will give us a better chance to screen who is coming as well.
No more benefits to illegals. No more free clinics. No EBT cards. No Section 8 and adress the anchor baby issue.
Kick out all the criminals, gang members, etc., immediately upon their release from jails and prisons.
No more sanctuary cities.
Make our immigration laws be enforced and have teeth again. Anyone caught coming into the country illegally, is immediately deported and basically put on notice that if they return they will be arrested and charged with a crime, punishable by a long prison term.

Yes, take away all the reasons they come here and they won't immigrate illegally anymore.

Making it "illegal to hire illegals" or H1Bs or offshoring or whatever would require significant imposed limits/penalization/taxes etc. on businesses BY THE GOVERNMENT, obviously.

While I agree that this is what the US needs...it won't ever happen, NOT with a Rep/Conservative since it would be entire "anti conservative" if not "socialist" if such things will be implemented.

I want to hear THIS out of Trump's loud mouth that he would like to impose those limits on ALL (!) companies including those who already hire illegals, H1Bs or who outsource...and including EVERY future ones. This day I would certainly mark in my calendar - he'd never do that since 90% of conservative voters would run off screaming.

 

[flexy]

"Amnesty" <--- I don't think Amnesty was ever granted or would be granted "because the US is so cool and liberal and we just LOVE the Mexicans".

It's likely cheaper to grant amnesty to large numbers of illegals than (trying) to apprehend each and everyone and to detain them and to deport them. Who pays for this? And what is the real benefit in relation to the costs?

 

[Murloc]

The left screams bloody murder about immigration reform. The right screams bloody murder about immigration reform. Both have their reasons, but they are all in it for a gain. People coming to America, legal or not, makes their agendas more profitable. Uneducated workers will vote for those who gave them a chance to work here and if the "guy" who let the fences down was a Democrat, or a Republican, they would vote for that "guy". People don't support the law, they just support who is using them in the most comfortable way, for them.

Right now the Democrats are making them the most comfortable with freebies, low enforcement of laws and sanctuary.

In my country, naturalized immigrants often vote for less immigration.

Still, I think in the US it's different because maybe people who can vote and are citizens have illegal relatives, so any amnesty would benefit them.

 

[retrospooty]

Making it "illegal to hire illegals"

I have seen alot of people here mention this, as if its not already illegal. Every company has requirements to have new hires show proof of citizenship, social security , ID etc. I have never had a job where these things weren't checked, and there are some pretty steep penalties from what I am told. The issue isn't large companies, its small businesses. In other words, they aren't working at any major corporations or manufacturing facilities, they are working for painters, gardeners, contractors and some smaller individually owned restaurants. Enforcing it is the issue, you cant just employ an army of people to go all gestapo and raid random businesses... BANG BANG BANG: "Open ze door and show us your papers"

 

[cabri]

I have seen alot of people here mention this, as if its not already illegal. Every company has requirements to have new hires show proof of citizenship, social security , ID etc. I have never had a job where these things weren't checked, and there are some pretty steep penalties from what I am told. The issue isn't large companies, its small businesses. In other words, they aren't working at any major corporations or manufacturing facilities, they are working for painters, gardeners, contractors and some smaller individually owned restaurants. Enforcing it is the issue, you cant just employ an army of people to go all gestapo and raid random businesses.

Swift Meat lost 1/3 of its work force when there was advance notice of an INS raid.

A company just has to ask for documents; they do not have to verify the documents are legit.

Doing so takes more work and the company does not want the extra cost; they just want the labor pool.

Local INS officers also know the culpable companies in their area of operations.

But until allowed to do something (political leverage), nothing can be done.

Should offices be directed to actually enforce the laws and implement the required fines instead of negotiating to a hand slap, there will be an impact.

Illegals need the economic carrot.

If it causes a company to increase wages to hire legit people, then they will need to adjust the product cost accordingly.

Unlike some here, I am willing to pay a higher price for produce and other things if it means putting legit immigrants to work and offering options for US born workers.

And it will also reduce the flow of $$ going out of the country to support families in other countries.

 

[BoberFett]

Don't forget that the wages, benefits, etc. improved at the Swift plants following those raids. It also increased minority employment, many black American CITIZENS began filling those jobs.

"Bu bu bu but they're only doing jobs Americans won't do!!!" - Ignorant left wing buffoons

 

[cabri]

Don't forget that the wages, benefits, etc. improved at the Swift plants following those raids. It also increased minority employment, many black American CITIZENS began filling those jobs.

"Bu bu bu but they're only doing jobs Americans won't do!!!" - Ignorant left wing buffoons

"Bu bu bu but they're only doing jobs Americans won't do!!!"

At the wages being offered.
Supply and demand

Reduce the supply of workers and if demand stays the same; wages go up to get the workers.

Some spouting such nonsense seem to forget that.

Yes, the cost to the consumer of the product may go up; I thought the buffoons wanted a living wage no matter what the cost to the consumer.

 

[retrospooty]

Swift Meat lost 1/3 of its work force when there was advance notice of an INS raid. A company just has to ask for documents; they do not have to verify the documents are legit.

There are law and penalties involved. http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/penalties-for-employers-hiring-illegal-immigrants.html

Not sure if Swift found a way around it by paying .... whatever off, but there are laws and penalties. Enforcing it may an issue.

 

[cabri]

There are law and penalties involved. http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/penalties-for-employers-hiring-illegal-immigrants.html

Not sure if Swift found a way around it by paying .... whatever off, but there are laws and penalties. Enforcing it may an issue.

An employer is required to have an I-9 on file.

And supposed to make a good faith effort to ensure the employee and/or subcontractor is legal.

The I-9 has a list of documents; all one ahs to do is provide something that is on the list; is it a legit document; the employer does not need to check.

Example:
Provide an SS# with a DL# and you are good to go.
Does the picture match - no one really looks at the picture closely.

Find someone that is legal and borrow their documents. If the name is the same, all the better.

 

[retrospooty]

An employer is required to have an I-9 on file.

And supposed to make a good faith effort to ensure the employee and/or subcontractor is legal.

The I-9 has a list of documents; all one ahs to do is provide something that is on the list; is it a legit document; the employer does not need to check.

Example:
Provide an SS# with a DL# and you are good to go.
Does the picture match - no one really looks at the picture closely.

Find someone that is legal and borrow their documents. If the name is the same, all the better.

It's not quite so simple as "just show them false info". You don't just provide an SS# and DL#. You need to provide a valid state ID. Yes, those can be faked, but that isnt a company willingly hiring illegals, that is an illegal willingly faking an ID. Different thing altogether.

 

[Jaskalas]

Yes and the immigration bill did all that. No amnesty would be granted without the border being secured.

That sounds a lot like the status quo given no one believes the border would be secured.
Worse yet... I'm picturing several hundred pages of programs for illegals and increased legalization processes. I expect and thus oppose any bill that simply opens us up even further.

Simply put... lies before, and lies again. Stem the tide first. Nothing else in the bill.

 

[ivwshane]

That sounds a lot like the status quo given no one believes the border would be secured.
Worse yet... I'm picturing several hundred pages of programs for illegals and increased legalization processes. I expect and thus oppose any bill that simply opens us up even further.

Simply put... lies before, and lies again. Stem the tide first. Nothing else in the bill.

Whatever you've got to tell yourself to maintain your bubble. I can only link to the facts so many times, you either choose to read them or remain ignorant. It's clear you've chosen the latter.

 

[cabri]

It's not quite so simple as "just show them false info". You don't just provide an SS# and DL#. You need to provide a valid state ID. Yes, those can be faked, but that isnt a company willingly hiring illegals, that is an illegal willingly faking an ID. Different thing altogether.

The company is supposed to verify that the documents are valid. They chose not to.

How difficult is it to verify that the DL# actually exists, for the same name and SS# and DOB by the employer; the state agency just needs to confirm/deny a match.

Then with respect to the e-verify; if there are multiple hits on the SS#/name within a calendar year, a flag should be raised for investigation by the government and alerting the employer

 

[cabri]

Yes and the immigration bill did all that. No amnesty would be granted without the border being secured.

Again, everything you guys are asking for was in that bill and some how you guys still support the repubs or stick to the bullshit claim that no party wants to fix the issue. I've shown you the facts, you either don't care about them or you really don't care about immigration as an issue.

so, given that the border has not been sueured; what is Obama doing allowing the DREAM Act and other programs that allow illegals to remain even though they have been identified.
Is that just another form of amnesty - we will not deport you:\

Even those that are legal (green card) can be deported if the government chooses to (usually due to criminal actions); but very seldom happens

 

[ivwshane]

so, given that the border has not been sueured; what is Obama doing allowing the DREAM Act and other programs that allow illegals to remain even though they have been identified.
Is that just another form of amnesty - we will not deport you:\

Even those that are legal (green card) can be deported if the government chooses to (usually due to criminal actions); but very seldom happens

What does any of that have to do with what I'm talking about? Well let me link the two for you Obama is taking action on immigration precisely because of congress' inaction! Do you want obama to stop doing what he's doing with regards to immigration? Then you should probably be supporting politicians in congress who support (and voted for) the immigration reform bill that passed the senate in 2013!

But you and others won't do that because that will mean voting for a democrat and you guys couldn't possibly do that because you guys are partisan hacks who actually don't give a shit about the immigration issue and that opinion is based solely on your actions.

 

[cabri]

Obama is taking action to allow illegals to stay via executive order.

Is that enforcing the law or ignoring/cicumventing the laws on the books???

There is no law that states illegals under 18 have the right to stay.

There is no law stating that illegals that are in college have the right to stay.

How many illegals openly flout the illegality and Obama does not direct ICE/Homeland Security to do anything.

ENFORCE the existing laws until Congress changes them

 

[retrospooty]

Some pretty surprising results. As of now its about 60/40 in favor of people that think its on the top 10 list. I would have guessed the opposite.

 

[JTsyo]

"Amnesty" <--- I don't think Amnesty was ever granted or would be granted "because the US is so cool and liberal and we just LOVE the Mexicans".

It's likely cheaper to grant amnesty to large numbers of illegals than (trying) to apprehend each and everyone and to detain them and to deport them. Who pays for this? And what is the real benefit in relation to the costs?

Trouble with this is that it would encourage more illegal immigration. First we would have to discourage new entries and then offer amnesty to those that have been here 5 years. Talk about amnesty would increase those trying to take advantage of it so it should be brought in at the last minute as part of the reform. The part that's talked about more should be the penalties and what is going to be reformed to discourage illegal immigration. If there's a perception that the US is cracking down on it, it would be much more effective than a wall could ever be.

 

[Humpy]

Some pretty surprising results. As of now its about 60/40 in favor of people that think its on the top 10 list. I would have guessed the opposite.

It's hard to tell much without knowing what people are thinking the other nine problems are. For some, illegal immigration could be right behind the number one problem of too many black people. For others, it could be behind the ninth worst problem of American cheese not actually being cheese.

 

[retrospooty]

It's hard to tell much without knowing what people are thinking the other nine problems are. For some, illegal immigration could be right behind the number one problem of too many black people. For others, it could be behind the ninth worst problem of American cheese not actually being cheese.

LOL. True. Good point. I cant even begin to imagine what the 10% that think its the #1 problem are thinking. Probably that Hitler was right /shrugs.

 

[werepossum]

That sounds a lot like the status quo given no one believes the border would be secured.
Worse yet... I'm picturing several hundred pages of programs for illegals and increased legalization processes. I expect and thus oppose any bill that simply opens us up even further.

Simply put... lies before, and lies again. Stem the tide first. Nothing else in the bill.

Exactly. We've another ten million or so illegals that came across the border that was supposedly secured in return for Reagan's amnesty. Unless and until the border is effectively secured, there's no point in even discussing anything else.

Both my Senators voted for it in spite of their rhetoric about illegal immigration. Both of them can kiss my ass.

 

[shady28]

Here's a little factoid. My question is, why hasn't this been done with such overwhelming support.

"A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 77% of Likely U.S. Voters now consider illegal immigration a serious problem in America today, with 51% who say it is Very Serious. Just 19% don’t think it’s a serious problem, and that includes only three percent (3%) who say it’s Not At All Serious. "

"Most voters (63%) still agree that the U.S. military should be used along the Mexican border to prevent illegal immigration, but that’s up from 57% in January and is the highest finding since December 2012. Just 26% disagree, while 12% are undecided. "

"A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 62% believe the government is not aggressive enough in deporting these illegal immigrants, up from 52% a year ago and 56% in November. Fifteen percent (15%) feel the current number of deportations is about right. "

"But then most voters (54%) continue to feel that a child born to an illegal immigrant mother in the United States should not automatically become a U.S. citizen, as is now the case. Thirty-eight percent (38%) favor the current policy of automatic citizenship for these children. "

"The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 59% of Likely U.S. Voters believe the primary focus of any new immigration legislation passed by Congress should be to send the young illegal immigrants back home as quickly as possible. Just 27% say it should focus instead on making it easier for these illegal immigrants to remain in the United States. Fourteen percent (14%) are undecided. (To see survey question wording, click here.)"

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...t_for_more_border_control_hits_four_year_high


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...t_to_send_latest_illegal_immigrants_home_asap

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...ers_want_more_aggressive_deportation_policies