Is Homosexuality a fundamental freedom and universal human right

[AViking]

Yes

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[Texashiker]

As long as you get the $200 tax stamp, you can buy one.

So certain rights can be restricted and regulated?

So why should homosexual acts be illegal?

I never said that.

I'm finding it really difficult to see any logic in your argument.

Governments have the authority to restrict and regulate certain rights.

Am I wrong in that statement?

 

[alzan]

Did you read the thread?

Governments have the authority to restrict certain rights. In this case isn't Uganda will within its rights to restrict certain human rights?




Fundamental human rights are rights, there is no difference.

Yes I did read the thread. Our POTUS and other leaders have always had public and private responses to other country's laws/stances/etc. In the case of Uganda they do have the right to restrict sexual freedom. Leaders of other countries can voice their difference or agreement of opinion to laws passed.

Yes, fundamental human rights are rights but until every leader in every country accepts and rules under that premise we'll have discussions about it. Unless you're proposing that we attack Uganda over this issue, either through sanctions or boots on the ground.

 

[soulcougher73]

In a statement released by the white house, obama slams Uganda for an anti-gay law they going to enact.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...ment-president-anti-homosexuality-bill-uganda



Is Homosexuality a fundamental freedom and universal human right and on par with the right to vote, freedom of religion, right to keep and bear arms, right to trial by jury,,,, and other unalienable human rights?

I'd say yes.

 

[SheHateMe]

Well, it doesn't surprise me that you are making the argument that the right to life and liberty is not a fundamental right......for gays.

 

[Darwin333]

It is just an example of government does in fact regulate harmless acts behind closed doors.

If I can not make homemade whiskey, why can Billy-bob get his poo pushed?

If I can not make homemade whiskey, why can you choose your wife instead of the government choosing one for you?

What makes choosing your own spouse a fundamental right? Think of the good we could do if we continually evaluated everyone as they go through school and then matched them with the "perfect" person. We can even throw genetics into it these days. Same thing with careers, what gives you the fundamental right to choose your own line of work when, given the right amount of resources, the .gov could better pick one for you. They would even provide the required training free of charge and set the wages.

You are all for those things right? No? Why not?

 

[WelshBloke]

Governments have the authority to restrict and regulate certain rights.

Am I wrong in that statement?

You mentioned unalienable rights in your OP. Do you believe those exist? Because governments have certainly got rid of some of the ones you mentioned.

 

[Texashiker]

Well, it doesn't surprise me that you are making the argument that the right to life and liberty is not a fundamental right......for gays.

That is not my argument.

Do governments have the authority to restrict and regulate rights?

Obama signed the ndaa which allows US citizens to be held forever without a trial, but he slams some African nation over gay rights?

You mentioned unalienable rights in your OP. Do you believe those exist? Because governments have certainly got rid of some of the ones you mentioned.

With our government, and for the past 60+ years, nothing is unalienable.

 

[jackstar7]

Do governments have the authority to restrict and regulate rights?

Yup. It's one of the reasons to have a government, otherwise your right to murder would infringe on the rights of others to their lives.

 

[Darwin333]

Governments have the authority to restrict and regulate certain rights.

Am I wrong in that statement?

If you believe in our constitution then yes, you are wrong. Governments have the ability which is a very different thing.

If you DO believe in our constitution and our founders, our rights were given to us by "god". No one grants them to us and that includes the government. That doesn't mean that they don't have the ability, quite literally by gunpoint, to take them away. Might makes right, always has.

 

[bshole]

That is not my argument.

Do governments have the authority to restrict and regulate rights?

Of course they do. They have the guns/military/police/NSA/FBI/CIA therefor they have the authority. In the end, raw naked power gives authority.

Um... what exactly is your argument? It has went completely over my head.

 

[soulcougher73]

Other rights are limited and restricted.




Yes, it is a question.

If other rights can be restricted and regulated, what about homo-sexuality?

I have a right to keep and bear arms, but I can not buy a machine gun. How dare the government restrict my rights.

Dont governments have the authority to restrict rights? Isn't Uganda will within its right to restrict homo-sexuality?

Apples and oranges. You are comparing people to material items now. People deserve better.

 

[WelshBloke]

With our government, and for the past 60+ years, nothing is unalienable.

So is this thread just a rambling whine about your president then?

 

[Darwin333]

Anyone want to take bets on how many pages this idiot will fight on for?

I got $5 on 6.

 

[soulcougher73]

Why two?

For me it could be as many consenting adults as they are comfortable with. No need to just be 2. And as always just to point out for the lame brained..the key word here is "consenting adults".

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

whenever this subject comes up, they pop out of the woodwork.

I don't understand why some guys are so interested in what other guys do with their penises.

Or whether 2 men love each other, or 2 women. Maybe try to stop thinking as though gay men and women constantly rutting, and think of them as 2 people in love, doing what every other couple on earth does.
Go to dinner, argue about bills, laugh at a movie, take the dog for a walk, etc.

 

[soulcougher73]

I'm rubber and you're glue....

Are you gay?

Well we found the elementary school child his parents let on the internet.

 

[Texashiker]

Um... what exactly is your argument?

Obama slammed Uganda for an anti-gay law.

I am sure this was for political reasons so he can win friends in the gay community, and maybe win votes for democrats in the 2014 mid-term election.

However, shouldn't a nation be free to pass whatever laws they wish? Personally I do not care what some third world nation is doing.

If a government wishes to restrict certain rights, dont they have the authority to do so?

So is this thread just a rambling whine about your president then?

That comes later.

By page 5 I suspect this thread will be on the real topic. But we are getting close.

 

[rudeguy]

Or whether 2 men love each other, or 2 women. Maybe try to stop thinking as though gay men and women constantly rutting, and think of them as 2 people in love, doing what every other couple on earth does.
Go to dinner, argue about bills, laugh at a movie, take the dog for a walk, etc.

I don't even think about it that much. If someone is gay, OK? If someone is straight, OK? I just don't care.

Now if you are gay and insist on constantly talking about it, I'm going to have fun. I will take the conversation to levels of depravity that Jenna Jameson would blush.

I like girls. Some girls like girls. Some guys like guys. Some guys like girls who like girls. Why anyone would care about that is beyond me.

 

[Darwin333]

Aren't other rights regulated and restricted?

There have been numerous articles about people not able to hold church meeting int heir own home. not able to fly a flag in front fo their home, not able to have a garden in their font yard,,,,.

Most of those are due to private entities not public. If you decide to purchase property, a private transaction, and knowingly enter into a contract that puts restrictions on your property rights that is your choice.

I think I remember the "church meeting" one and it was a local ordinance not a federal law.

Why should your wewe get special treatment and special protection?

Why should yours?

That is simply not true.

What reason should the right to vote be kept from a convicted felon?

At the time the law was passed society deemed it to be a detrimant. I disagree with it but it doesn't mean that we should go making more bad laws because of it.

What reason is there not to smoke weed?

At the time it was sold to the public that black folk would smoke it, get all crazy, and go about raping white women. Basically the government made up a bullshit detriment to society that people believed but they still needed said detriment.

Why do schools kick students out for wearing political shirts?

Local authorities have the ability to decide what they feel is disruptive to the learning atmosphere.

Those are just examples and do not need to be answered.

They are horrible examples and except for one, which DID have a perceived detriment to society, are not done by the Federal gov.

 

[fskimospy]

I got $5 on 6.

You're a conservative man, I think he's got at least 10 pages in him. We could make it into a The Price is Right kind of game where the closest bid wins so long as you don't go over.

That would really provide a lot more entertainment to these threads.

 

[soulcougher73]

If a government wishes to restrict certain rights, dont they have the authority to do so?

Yes. They always have and always will have that authority to do so. Why is this so hard for you to grasp. Its been that way your whole life.

 

[bshole]

Obama slammed Uganda for an anti-gay law.

I am sure this was for political reasons so he can win friends in the gay community, and maybe win votes for democrats in the 2014 mid-term election.

However, shouldn't a nation be free to pass whatever laws they wish? Personally I do not care what some third world nation is doing.

If a government wishes to restrict certain rights, dont they have the authority to do so?

I dunno if your point makes any sense. The Nazi's had the "authority" to round up 6 million Jews and slaughter them like cattle. The authority to do morally repugnant, despicable, genocidal crimes against humanity is hardly a solid argument.

Rephrase your argument because it don't make a lick of sense.

 

[Texashiker]

Most of those are due to private entities not public. <snip>

Does the government have the authority to restrict certain rights?

 

[radtechtips]

Does the government have the authority to restrict certain rights?

You've asked the same question at least 15 times and it has been answered more times than that.