Is Homosexuality a fundamental freedom and universal human right

[werepossum]

buttsex?

LOL!

If the Internet ever has a king, that post should get you nominated for the post.

 

[Zstream]

Hell no. They are like my favorite food in the whole world.

If a certain behavior has known risk which cost the community as a whole, should that behavior be curtailed?

If tax payers are funding it, yes.

 

[werepossum]

I'm not sure I'd want to go down the road of "your behaviors aren't impacting anyone directly but they're driving up medical expenses, therefore we should restrict your rights."

Me either, but the left is already down that road with fast foods, red meat, soft drinks . . .

yup, that's your right.

sickle cell disease costs $11,702/year per child (http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/sicklecell/data.html) and occurs overwhelmingly in African American families, but I'm not going to advocate that we stop allowing black people to have kids.

Hey, sickle cell anemia also confers a limited immunity to malaria. When global warming finally turns this nation into a malaria-ridden hell hole as we are confidently assured it's going to do any day now, then it will be black folks saying "Who's laughing now you chalkie mofos?"

If tax payers are funding it, yes.

That's a very slippery road. Given that government has its hand in literally everything, that would imply that government should have near-total power over us. Better by far to agree that almost all of us have some behaviors which are less than optimal from a societal cost and accept that as part of the price of freedom. And those who don't . . .

Well, I say those of us who do just agree they're all a bunch of uninteresting, sanctimonious pricks.

 

[WelshBloke]

buttsex?

Damn it, you made me s****** loudly at work!

 

[zinfamous]

Why not?

If I were 17 times more likely to develop heart disease from eating cheeseburgers, which in turn drove up insurance rates, would you be ok with my behavior?

why don't you ask what your teabagging buddies think about Bloomberg trying to ban diabetes drinks in NY.

 

[zinfamous]

Damn it, you made me s**** loudly at work!

shart?

:hmm:

 

[Texashiker]

yup, that's your right.

sickle cell disease costs $11,702/year per child (http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/sicklecell/data.html) and occurs overwhelmingly in African American families, but I'm not going to advocate that we stop allowing black people to have kids.

Sickle cell is not life style choice.

Not if the people harms are engaging in it willingly, no. You can warn people and say, "Hey, anal sex makes you more likely to get HIV or anal cancer." And they can say, "Oh, thanks, I'm still going to do it." That's their right, just as it's your right to eat a cheeseburger, or a smoker's right to inhale burning tobacco or a drinker's right to poison their liver with alcoholic toxins or anyone else's right to engage in activities which may not improve their overall health. Live your life and quit trying to control everyone else's.

What right do you have to cost your neighbor down the road more money?

 

[MrPickins]

Sickle cell is not life style choice.

Either is being gay.


Seriously, why is this pointless troll thread not locked?

 

[nageov3t]

Sickle cell is not life style choice.

procreating with someone who's at a statistically significant risk of passing on a disease is a choice.

the easy solution is to accept it as the cost of the government not installing a webcam in everyone's bedroom so they can police couples who engage in risky sex act differently than those who don't.

I guarantee you that a gay couple who only engages in oral sex (and it's pretty common to find gays who aren't that into anal) are probably draining your tax dollars less than a straight couple who's into fisting and S&M.

 

[ch33zw1z]

shart?

:hmm:

LoL, I hate loud sharts.

 

[ElFenix]

Holy crap, did you just say there are valid reasons to complain about obama? According to the liberals here, obama has been a wonderful president who has not done a single thing wrong.

I know its been a cold winter, but surely hell has not frozen over?

 

[Zstream]

That's a very slippery road. Given that government has its hand in literally everything, that would imply that government should have near-total power over us. Better by far to agree that almost all of us have some behaviors which are less than optimal from a societal cost and accept that as part of the price of freedom. And those who don't . . .

Well, I say those of us who do just agree they're all a bunch of uninteresting, sanctimonious pricks.

The government controls marriage, speed limits, tax incentives etc... and its all done via rules aka laws. The same now goes for healthcare. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with anything accept that if the people allow a certain action to be taken place by the government, there has to be rules and regulations.

So, if the gay community reacts to obamacare and receives benefits, the disease factor has to be considered. This is the same for people with HIV, infectious diseases etc..

 

[werepossum]

This whole issue is amazing; it is perhaps the one significant issue for which losing has literally no down side unless you choose to be offended. And yet my nominal party, which supposedly stands for individual liberty and small and/or limited government, has not only chosen the side that is arrayed against individual liberty and small and/or limited government, but has seemingly decided that this is the hill on which they wish to die. To hell with limited spending, low taxes, a strong defense, Constitutional rule of law, etc. We've got to keep our boot firmly on the necks of homos! Freakin' amazing.

Frankly, I think from a Christian orthodoxy one would be on safer ground arrayed with the Occupiers against the rich than drawn up in battle lines against gays. Jesus never preached (in our surviving body of knowledge at least) against homosexuals, yet He preached extensively on the evils of the love of money.

 

[artvscommerce]

Hell no. They are like my favorite food in the whole world.

If a certain behavior has known risk which cost the community as a whole, should that behavior be curtailed?

so, following your logic; driving cars puts peoples lives at risk!! we must ban all cars!!

The delusion in this thread is seriously astounding.

 

[Carfax83]

People need to understand that homosexuality, much like heterosexuality, (except that it is an abnormality) is both a behavior and an orientation. The former can be changed or inhibited, but the latter is innate and is a part of their actual biological makeup.

Studies have shown that the brain patterns of homosexuals have strong correlative similarities to the brains of the opposite sex. So gay men have brains that are similar to heterosexual women, and gay women have brains that are similar to heterosexual men.

That probably explains why sexual inversion is so common among homosexuals, compared to heterosexuals.

Anyway, unless you think that persecuting someone for the way they were born is acceptable, then obviously it's immoral to prevent gays from being gay.

And this comes from someone that was raised in a very anti-homosexual environment, and was against gay marriage up until a few years ago.

 

[Texashiker]

so, following your logic; driving cars puts peoples lives at risk!! we must ban all cars!!

If you drive recklessly, will your car insurance be cancelled? Probably so. And what then? The state forces you to buy insurance through them at a higher rate because you are reckless.

If you have TB and go around town coughing and hacking, what is the local health department going to do with you? They are going to have you arrested and sent to a special jail where you will be kept in isolation.

 

[nageov3t]

If you drive recklessly, will your car insurance be cancelled? Probably so. And what then? The state forced you to buy insurance through them at a higher rate because you are reckless.

If you have TB and go around town coughing and hacking, what is the local health department going to do with you? They are going to have you arrested and sent to a special jail where you will be kept in isolation.

if someone has AIDS and they're walking around flinging their blood in people's faces, chances are they too will get arrested.

 

[ch33zw1z]

if someone has AIDS and they're walking around flinging their blood in people's faces, chances are they too will get arrested.

and if you go around stabbing people with a used needle then you will also be arrested.

His arguments are asinine.

 

[artvscommerce]

if someone has AIDS and they're walking around flinging their blood in people's faces, chances are they too will get arrested.

exactly! hence my delusion comment; he seems to think gay people are somehow putting people like himself at risk.

if people (gay or straight) decide to have unprotected sex, how is that ANY different than any of the other thousands of things people do that put their lives at greater risk. Like playing football or going mountain biking.

 

[Texashiker]

and if you go around stabbing people with a used needle then you will also be arrested.

His arguments are asinine.

How many HIV positive heroin addicts are in jail for spreading HIV?

Have you ever heard of an HIV positive addict going to prison for spreading HIV?

Of course not, because it is a lifestyle choice. And the government turns a blind eye to people making poor choices.

exactly! hence my delusion comment; he seems to think gay people are somehow putting people like himself at risk.

I never said that.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

How many HIV positive heroin addicts are in jail for spreading HIV?

Have you ever heard of an HIV positive addict going to prison for spreading HIV?

Of course not, because it is a lifestyle choice. And the government turns a blind eye to people making poor choices.




I never said that.

Have you ever bothered to look into whether people have been charged for not informing partners of their hiv status?

Clearly not given this post. You really need to educate yourself instead of arguing what you think.

 

[artvscommerce]

How many HIV positive heroin addicts are in jail for spreading HIV?

Have you ever heard of an HIV positive addict going to prison for spreading HIV?

Of course not, because it is a lifestyle choice. And the government turns a blind eye to people making poor choices.




I never said that.

you said they put the entire community at risk. If by community you meant "the people who decide to have unprotected sex", then I ask again- how is that different than people who agree to participate in a sport or any other activity that inreases your chance of death??

 

[Texashiker]

Have you ever bothered to look into whether people have been charged for not informing partners of their hiv status?

Clearly not given this post. You really need to educate yourself instead of arguing what you think.

How did this thread get derailed to disease anyway?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

How did this thread get derailed to disease anyway?

It's about exposing your ignorance.

Like this

http://www.hivjustice.net/casetype/arrests/

 

[ch33zw1z]

How many HIV positive heroin addicts are in jail for spreading HIV?

Have you ever heard of an HIV positive addict going to prison for spreading HIV?

Of course not, because it is a lifestyle choice. And the government turns a blind eye to people making poor choices.

How many heroin addicts go around stabbing people with used needles with the sole intent of spreading HIV?

I already showed you a case where a guy was found guilty of murder for intentionally spreading HIV...so you dropped that and moved onto heroin.

I'm confused, are you for or against the government allowing people to make poor choices? If you are against it, be prepared for that to invade other facets of your life. Smoke? not anymore. Consume alcohol? not anymore. How many drunk drivers take lives every year, innocent lives, not even their own. Yet it continues.

I submit that sexual orientation is a fundamental freedom, while consumption of alcohol and operating a vehicle is not.