Originally posted by: PingSpike
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: Aharami
i dont see the point in P&N. noone gets anywhere in that forum. all the arguements keep on going round in circles. noone ever changes their mind, noone ever opens up to the others' views, or even merely considers them. it all ends up being a name-calling match
That's not true. Maybe looking in from the outside it appears that way, but get past the front-page egos and read deep into some threads and you'll see all kinds of people agreeing and compromising on a variety of issues.
I sometimes feel sorry for you poor ATOTers who dismiss things so quickly because the average thread-per-minute ratio in here is about 45 or so. Poor youth and your goldfish-like attention spans..
I agree with him. When I initially started posting, most of my posts were in P&N. I kept trying to argue my points with respect and reason, but its like pissing up a rope. If I agrued a liberal position, I was a communist and my points were simply dismissed. If I argued a conservative one, I was a nazi. After awhile, I started to act just like all the douchebags in there do (no offense

) and decided being pissed off all the time wasn't exactly a good use of my time. There's virtually no open minds in there.
I'm sure some good debate happens, but thats like saying if I dug through a sh|t heap I might find a dollar. Who cares, I'd still be covered in sh|t.
I'd rather make nef posts and off color jokes in here. At least I get a chuckle instead of a bursting forehead vein.