Is Communism / Sociolism the wave of the future?

[slackerinabox]

I'm not a pinko, just making an observation:

- China is becoming an economic powerhouse
- Post-soviet russia is gathering momentum and her economy is growing rapidly, so much so that Moscow is now the most expensive city in the world to live in
- Indian is becoming a major economic force as well, blazing new territory in the medical and techology world market
- The u.s. economy continues to skid downward. The brain drain is also in reverse now - the intellectuals of the world (scientist/etc.) are no longer coming to america - Korea, India, China, and others are beefing up their bio-tech and economic arsenal while Bush vetos a pro-stem cell bill...

Thoughts?

EDIT: To clarify - I mean Communism vs. Democracy, not communism vs. capitalism. I agree, these countries embraced the economic system of the west but rejected the political system. That's what I find interesting.

 

[Ika]

China is becoming an economic powerhouse because of the forces of capitalism, not communism. At least, that's how I see it...

Something IS the wave of the future, but it isn't communism/socialism as we have seen it demonstrated in this world. Maybe the ideal form of communism will materialize itself, but it's highly unlikely. I'm a big proponent of socialism, but only when it's in its ideal form, not the fake socialism dictators use to control the state.

 

[slackerinabox]

Originally posted by: Aflac
China is becoming an economic powerhouse because of the forces of capitalism, not communism. At least, that's how I see it...

Something IS the wave of the future, but it isn't communism/socialism as we have seen it demonstrated in this world. Maybe the ideal form of communism will materialize itself, but it's highly unlikely. I'm a big proponent of socialism, but only when it's in its ideal form, not the fake socialism dictators use to control the state.

Oh, I agree - I think China and Russia are adapting to the global economy by embracing capitalism but not our notion of democracy.

 

[Strk]

All of your examples only stand to promote capitalism, since all those countries were rubbish before they implemented free market reforms.

 

[slackerinabox]

Originally posted by: Strk
All of your examples only stand to promote capitalism, since all those countries were rubbish before they implemented free market reforms.

Yes, they're embracing capitalism as an economic system but still rejecting "democracy" as a political system. Do you see the point I'm making?

 

[SpanishFry]

Originally posted by: Strk
All of your examples only stand to promote capitalism, since all those countries were rubbish before they implemented free market reforms.

 

[Blazin Trav]

No. Communism and Socialism is not free, so therefore it is FTL.

 

[JonTheBaller]

Biggest garbage examples ever. Russia and China are growing because they are embracing capitalism. They are not just randomly growing and happen to be communist countries. Oh, by the way, the Soviet Union fell, so your Russia example makes 0 sense. Meanwhile, the US economy is still the #1 economy in the world and it's growing, not skidding.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212

Originally posted by: Strk
All of your examples only stand to promote capitalism, since all those countries were rubbish before they implemented free market reforms.

Yes, they're embracing capitalism as an economic system but still rejecting "democracy" as a political system. Do you see the point I'm making?

yea...an authoritarian government that promotes capitalism is the best form of a country :roll:

 

[MrChad]

Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
- The u.s. economy continues to skid downward. The brain drain is also in reverse now - the intellectuals of the world (scientist/etc.) are no longer coming to america - Korea, India, China, and others are beefing up their bio-tech and economic arsenal while Bush vetos a pro-stem cell bill...

:laugh:

America is still the best economy in which to conduct business and we have the best higher education system in the world, attracting individuals from all over the globe.

As others have stated, China's success has been due to its embrace of free market reforms. Socialist countries in Europe, South America and Asia have higher unemployment and larger barriers of entry for businesses because of their stifling labor laws.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: JonTheBaller
Biggest garbage examples ever. Russia and China are growing because they are embracing capitalism. They are not just randomly growing and happen to be communist countries. Oh, by the way, the Soviet Union fell, so your Russia example makes 0 sense. Meanwhile, the US economy is still the #1 economy in the world and it's growing, not skidding.

he must get his sources on the status of the economy from the main stream media.

 

[aswedc]

This is exactly what I've been thinking. The top countries in the next century will be as capitalistic as the US, but not nearly as democratic. China, India, and Russia all demonstrate this.

Even in the US people aren't taking the traditional system of checks and balances and the governmental process seriously anymore, as long as the government delivers results, real or perceived.

 

[loup garou]

hoowee are you gonna get flamed!

 

[Mucho]

Both China and Russia have abandoned socialism/communism IIRC

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
I'm not a pinko, just making an observation:

- China is becoming an economic powerhouse
- Post-soviet russia is gathering momentum and her economy is growing rapidly, so much so that Moscow is now the most expensive city in the world to live in
- Indian is becoming a major economic force as well, blazing new territory in the medical and techology world market
- The u.s. economy continues to skid downward. The brain drain is also in reverse now - the intellectuals of the world (scientist/etc.) are no longer coming to america - Korea, India, China, and others are beefing up their bio-tech and economic arsenal while Bush vetos a pro-stem cell bill...

Thoughts?

Ask France how this is working out for them.

Agree on China but they are moving toward free markets.

Moscow property is so expensive because it's run by the mob. Saw a show on Discovery about it and it was amazing. There is a huge difference there in a listed price and the actual sell price of property. The listed price is set by the govt while the actual sell price is set by the mob. The average person has very little chance there.

Downward skid? US economy is still growing. Growth is slowing but it's still growth. Biotech will be the next big thing in the US. I know Phoenix for example is banking on just that.

From the WSJ: (are they considered MSM?)

US growth is expected to moderate to an annualized 2.9 percent pace in the second half of 2006 from a likely first-half growth rate of 4.2 percent,

 

[drinkmorejava]

I vote observation-all other intelligence and economic and political knowledge = you're wrong

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
- China is becoming an economic powerhouse

Only after opening up free-market reforms. Much of the country would still be considered below poverty.

- Post-soviet russia is gathering momentum and her economy is growing rapidly, so much so that Moscow is now the most expensive city in the world to live in

Russia is actually going in reverse now. Free market reforms are going by the wayside as Putin starts to pull back towards a centralized economy.

- Indian is becoming a major economic force as well, blazing new territory in the medical and techology world market

Won't argue that.

- The u.s. economy continues to skid downward. The brain drain is also in reverse now - the intellectuals of the world (scientist/etc.) are no longer coming to america -

The US Economy is doing fine thank you. Multiple quarters of outstanding growth, low-unemployment, etc. The only downside is Congress can't get its spending act together.

Korea, India, China, and others are beefing up their bio-tech and economic arsenal while Bush vetos a pro-stem cell bill...

Bush vetoed additional federal funding for embryonic stem cell research beyond what he already approved funding for. There's nothing stopping researchers from receiving money from elsewhere and continuing their work. Adult stem cell research still receives federal funding. Before Bush was elected President, neither received any money at all. Additionally, a bill that was intended to fun alternative stem cell research was killed in the house because a congressman didn't want it going up against the embryonic stem cell research bill so he started spreading FUD.

 

[MrChad]

Originally posted by: aswedc
This is exactly what I've been thinking. The top countries in the next century will be as capitalistic as the US, but not nearly as democratic. China, India, and Russia all demonstrate this.

Wait until their economies grow and the standard of living increases. The poor generally will tolerate sacrifices in personal freedom in exchange for stability. As a nation gets wealthier, that tolerance starts to wane.

 

[MikeMike]

we need to see another movie from you.

maybe just maybe, it will be better than the others?

nah, it will be as crappy as your rant.

 

[theNEOone]

what is sociolism? is that when a country's citizens turn into sociopaths?


=|

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: aswedc
This is exactly what I've been thinking. The top countries in the next century will be as capitalistic as the US, but not nearly as democratic. China, India, and Russia all demonstrate this.

Even in the US people aren't taking the traditional system of checks and balances and the governmental process seriously anymore, as long as the government delivers results, real or perceived.

If China, India, and Russia became a full on democracy, the mass poor would vote in a communist government that would hand out "free" money. They would not grow this fast (or at all) under a democratic government (in my opinion).

 

[zerocool1]

china is doing as well as it is because china embraces capitalism in its special economic zones.
One of the reasons why intellectuals are not coming to the US is because of our increasingly isolationist foreign policy. So research isn't being done in the US on the same levels as pre-Cold War.

 

[aswedc]

Originally posted by: MrChad
Wait until their economies grow and the standard of living increases. The poor generally will tolerate sacrifices in personal freedom in exchange for stability. As a nation gets wealthier, that tolerance starts to wane.

You could also think of it in the opposite way. The poor are dissatisfied with their economic situation and many will blame it on the government...

When you are in the middle class and happy why protest? Just look at the mass political apathy in the US as a perfect example.

 

[Ika]

lol man you guys are just eager to tear this guy apart.

 

[aswedc]

Originally posted by: zerocool1
china is doing as well as it is because china embraces capitalism in its special economic zones.
One of the reasons why intellectuals are not coming to the US is because of our increasingly isolationist foreign policy. So research isn't being done in the US on the same levels as pre-Cold War.

The other reason is that the research can now be done in China. Many foreign students are choosing to return to their home countries instead of staying in the US because there is so much economic opportunity there as well.