is caffeine a salt by definition?

[guapo337]

what is caffeine's chemical formula?

 

[konichiwa]

C8H10N4O2

See it

 

[tweakmm]

C8 H10 N4 O2

 

[FoBoT]

C8H10N4O2

 

[FoBoT]

we suck , he could have just copy/pasted his own text into google :disgust:

i am going to dinner :/

 

[Heisenberg]

Did you guys really all know that off the top of your head?

 

[konichiwa]

Originally posted by: Heisenberg
Did you guys really all know that off the top of your head?

I hated chemistry as much as you probably do, but I remember most of it.

 

[guapo337]

is there any way that powdered caffeine can be mixed with water to make a solution which can be injected intravenously?

 

[tweakmm]

Originally posted by: guapo337
is there any way that powdered caffeine can be mixed with water to make a solution which can be injected intravenously?

It's possible, but why would you want to have a caffeine shot when you could put the powered caffeine in a gelcap and take it oraly. Hell, instead of mainling it, why don't you rail it. Who needs cocaine?

:beer:

 

[Amorphus]

Originally posted by: guapo337
is there any way that powdered caffeine can be mixed with water to make a solution which can be injected intravenously?

yeah, its called Bawls

 

[guapo337]

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: guapo337
is there any way that powdered caffeine can be mixed with water to make a solution which can be injected intravenously?

It's possible, but why would you want to have a caffeine shot when you could put the powered caffeine in a gelcap and take it oraly. Hell, instead of mainling it, why don't you rail it. Who needs cocaine?

:beer:

where do i buy gelcaps? railing it is sniffing it, right? you could do that.. which way would hit the body hardest and quickest?

 

[konichiwa]

Yeah......

 

[tweakmm]

Originally posted by: guapo337

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: guapo337
is there any way that powdered caffeine can be mixed with water to make a solution which can be injected intravenously?

It's possible, but why would you want to have a caffeine shot when you could put the powered caffeine in a gelcap and take it oraly. Hell, instead of mainling it, why don't you rail it. Who needs cocaine?

:beer:

where do i buy gelcaps? railing it is sniffing it, right? you could do that.. which way would hit the body hardest and quickest?

You can get gelcaps at most healthfood stores. Yes, railing it is sniffing it. I was being sarcastic when I said to do a line of caffeine power. I can only imagine that injecting it would hit you hardest, followed by insulflating it, followed by taking it oraly, the question I want to ask is why you need to have imediate caffeine intake? Why can't you drink espresso like the rest of us?

 

[guapo337]

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: guapo337

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: guapo337
is there any way that powdered caffeine can be mixed with water to make a solution which can be injected intravenously?

It's possible, but why would you want to have a caffeine shot when you could put the powered caffeine in a gelcap and take it oraly. Hell, instead of mainling it, why don't you rail it. Who needs cocaine?

:beer:

where do i buy gelcaps? railing it is sniffing it, right? you could do that.. which way would hit the body hardest and quickest?

You can get gelcaps at most healthfood stores. Yes, railing it is sniffing it. I was being sarcastic when I said to do a line of caffeine power. I can only imagine that injecting it would hit you hardest, followed by insulflating it, followed by taking it oraly, the question I want to ask is why you need to have imediate caffeine intake? Why can't you drink espresso like the rest of us?

I'm just hypothesizing.. but, come on, espresso is so unefficient.

 

[tweakmm]

Originally posted by: guapo337

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: guapo337

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: guapo337
is there any way that powdered caffeine can be mixed with water to make a solution which can be injected intravenously?

It's possible, but why would you want to have a caffeine shot when you could put the powered caffeine in a gelcap and take it oraly. Hell, instead of mainling it, why don't you rail it. Who needs cocaine?

:beer:

where do i buy gelcaps? railing it is sniffing it, right? you could do that.. which way would hit the body hardest and quickest?

You can get gelcaps at most healthfood stores. Yes, railing it is sniffing it. I was being sarcastic when I said to do a line of caffeine power. I can only imagine that injecting it would hit you hardest, followed by insulflating it, followed by taking it oraly, the question I want to ask is why you need to have imediate caffeine intake? Why can't you drink espresso like the rest of us?

I'm just hypothesizing.. but, come on, espresso is so unefficient.

It may be inefficient, but what does it matter when it's 5 cents an ounce to brew? Doing anything besides oraly injesting caffeine sounds superfluous.

 

[tweakmm]

dp

 

[Ameesh]

i prefer to freebase it.

 

[LordMaul]

READ THIS before you try ANYTHING with caffeine beyond drinking it in pre-made drinks. You all probably remember me and my previous incidents with uber-coffee and the like...well, read on. Keep in mind throughout that I was 265 pounds, 6'6" at the time of these incidents. Everything here is accurate to the best of my knowledge and I have not exaggerated ANYTHING.

I thought probably the same thing you did..."Damn, there has to be more to this caffeine than just getting it in small amounts in drinks! Where can I get the REAL DEAL?"

I finally found it and ordered it online. When I got it, I first tried mixing it in some Sunny D. While I managed to get some excellent energy, kickass vision(everything seemed sharp, bright, complex, etc.) with a little of it mixed it, I wanted to try more...which wasn't possible, since the powder tastes like PURE ASS. It's very, very bitter and if you don't watch out, will give you a hell of a gag reflex and you might puke it right up.

So then I turned to pills. I got some empty gel caps I found in my old medicine cabinets(never mind how I got them or where ) and put some of the powder in them. These would take longer to take effect, as the capsule had to break down. They were about 1g(1,000mg, or ~15 cans of Mountain Dew) a piece. I tried taking just one, but you must realize that some of the energy you get from Dew is sugar, which these pills didn't have. SO I tried taking 4 pills. Effects were similar as before, only hightened...I was very shaky, couldn't sit still, couldn't think, overcorrected my movement, etc. and had an insane heart rate. The crash was bad, too, and I had a blistering headache that lasted for a whole day or more and gave me almost no energy.

This effect lasted for longer than I would have liked, and a few days later, I still felt tired and worn out. Still had a achey head, etc. So I did what I thought might fix it(since painkillers did nothing) - I took more. A lot more.

I took 4 pills (4g) and almost the equivalent in pure powder in a big spoonful of thick yogurt. 7-8 grams later, I almost immediately felt better...Aprox time: 7:30pm.

Then I started feeling the shakiness again, and it kept getting worse. It got to the point I couldn't even hold a glass of water without spilling it. I went and sat down, and my stomach started to hurt. All of this kept getting worse till I felt like I was going to pass out...but I wasn't that lucky yet. Soon all my insides felt like they were digesting themselves and/or being attacked by my body....it all ached, I felt more nauseous than I ever have, and I felt as if I was moving in weightless water. IE, it took no energy or muscle exertion to make any part of me move, I felt no resistance when I tried to walk around or move my apendages, etc.

I finally went into my bedroom and decided to try to lay down and maybe that would help. I was there for about 3 hours(lost track of the time, but it felt like days) until I started passing out. By this time, all the initial caffeine was in my system and the pills were broken down as well. I passed in and out of conciousness for about an hour or two, not sure exactly. Then I started puking. I woke up suddenly and felt like I was going to throw up my insides...I grabbed my garbage can next to my bed and filled it up with that night's dinner. I kept puking and heaving till it felt like my stomach was empty, and I just got dark fluid that burned like a MFer spewing up...then it stopped and I passed out again.

I woke up yet again with the same feeling a short time afterwards and began what I thought was going to be puking. Only there wasn't anything to puke, and I just dry heaved(extremely painful) for about 5 minutes straight, and kept doing this in half hour intervals for probably 2 hours. Aprox time: 1:30am

I kept this up throughout the night(passing out, waking up and dry heaving, passing out, laying there shaking, dry heaving, etc.) till about 5:30am when I finally either passed out or went to sleep from the most extreme exhaustion I've ever experienced. I woke up at about 12:00pm the next day and didn't feel much better, but didn't puke any more. I felt once again like I was walking in a weightless water, only everything seemed grayscale and there was no vibrance left to my sight like I had in previous caffeine experiences. I would try to walk around, but even though I felt no resistance, I would get EXTREMELY tired very quickly all of a sudden and feel like I was going to pass out again. It is very hard to describe. Constant nausea pursued.

I didn't sleep that night, and only about an hour the next, until finally the symptoms were gone.

Throughout the whole thing, I honestly felt like I was going to die. I had little control over my body and I felt like I was in a constant state of shock. When I was concious, I kept promising myself how careful I would be, praying to be allowed to live a little longer, swearing off dangerous things in my life. When I was finally able to walk easily and get around without getting quickly exhausted, I went outside and sat in a lawnchair, just looking at the trees, and the sky, and the grass...I got a whole new feeling toward and appreciation for life that day. I was so thankful to be alive...not only can I not describe it, but I can't see anyone truely experiencing this same feeling without having nearly died (in a slow and painful way).

Watch out what you do while you're young. Things that seem fine and not harmful can be thousands times worse than you ever could imagine. I recommend not doing anything with pure caffeine or drugs or other things like this without EXTENSIVE research and EXTREME caution...and even then, I don't recommend it).

By the way, you cannot melt and shoot up caffeine as it does not change properties and stay liquid for a decent period of time like cocaine(yes, I tried )...it almost immediately goes back to a solid state. It also seems difficult to make it smokable, though I only tried one method. Snorting it is another way I tried it, but its not potent enough to make up for the pain you get when the powder goes into your sinuses...you need more than you can realistically take that way to get a decent "high."

I just typed this up for your thread, and I hope it will influence what you do. I did not make this up to scare you - this is just what I have experience....take it or leave it. I'm glad I had a chance to possibly positively contibute to a decision you might soon make.

Maul

Edit: Check out this page for similar - though not usually as bad - experiences (under Bad Trips and Difficult Experiences). Some good info on that site.

 

[WinkOsmosis]

I'm tired of nerds worshipping caffeine. Jesus H. Christ!

 

[tweakmm]

I can probably help you out with most other drugs, but you really should listen to Lord Maul when it comes to cafffeine:beer:
That being said, I'm going to have to try out the pure caffeine powder

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: LordMaul
READ THIS before you try ANYTHING with caffeine beyond drinking it in pre-made drinks. You all probably remember me and my previous incidents with uber-coffee and the like...well, read on. Keep in mind throughout that I was 265 pounds, 6'6" at the time of these incidents. Everything here is accurate to the best of my knowledge and I have not exaggerated ANYTHING.

I thought probably the same thing you did..."Damn, there has to be more to this caffeine than just getting it in small amounts in drinks! Where can I get the REAL DEAL?"

I finally found it and ordered it online. When I got it, I first tried mixing it in some Sunny D. While I managed to get some excellent energy, kickass vision(everything seemed sharp, bright, complex, etc.) with a little of it mixed it, I wanted to try more...which wasn't possible, since the powder tastes like PURE ASS. It's very, very bitter and if you don't watch out, will give you a hell of a gag reflex and you might puke it right up.

So then I turned to pills. I got some empty gel caps I found in my old medicine cabinets(never mind how I got them or where ) and put some of the powder in them. These would take longer to take effect, as the capsule had to break down. They were about 1g(1,000mg, or ~15 cans of Mountain Dew) a piece. I tried taking just one, but you must realize that some of the energy you get from Dew is sugar, which these pills didn't have. SO I tried taking 4 pills. Effects were similar as before, only hightened...I was very shaky, couldn't sit still, couldn't think, overcorrected my movement, etc. and had an insane heart rate. The crash was bad, too, and I had a blistering headache that lasted for a whole day or more and gave me almost no energy.

This effect lasted for longer than I would have liked, and a few days later, I still felt tired and worn out. Still had a achey head, etc. So I did what I thought might fix it(since painkillers did nothing) - I took more. A lot more.

I took 4 pills (4g) and almost the equivalent in pure powder in a big spoonful of thick yogurt. 7-8 grams later, I almost immediately felt better...Aprox time: 7:30pm.

Then I started feeling the shakiness again, and it kept getting worse. It got to the point I couldn't even hold a glass of water without spilling it. I went and sat down, and my stomach started to hurt. All of this kept getting worse till I felt like I was going to pass out...but I wasn't that lucky yet. Soon all my insides felt like they were digesting themselves and/or being attacked by my body....it all ached, I felt more nauseous than I ever have, and I felt as if I was moving in weightless water. IE, it took no energy or muscle exertion to make any part of me move, I felt no resistance when I tried to walk around or move my apendages, etc.

I finally went into my bedroom and decided to try to lay down and maybe that would help. I was there for about 3 hours(lost track of the time, but it felt like days) until I started passing out. By this time, all the initial caffeine was in my system and the pills were broken down as well. I passed in and out of conciousness for about an hour or two, not sure exactly. Then I started puking. I woke up suddenly and felt like I was going to throw up my insides...I grabbed my garbage can next to my bed and filled it up with that night's dinner. I kept puking and heaving till it felt like my stomach was empty, and I just got dark fluid that burned like a MFer spewing up...then it stopped and I passed out again.

I woke up yet again with the same feeling a short time afterwards and began what I thought was going to be puking. Only there wasn't anything to puke, and I just dry heaved(extremely painful) for about 5 minutes straight, and kept doing this in half hour intervals for probably 2 hours. Aprox time: 1:30am

I kept this up throughout the night(passing out, waking up and dry heaving, passing out, laying there shaking, dry heaving, etc.) till about 5:30am when I finally either passed out or went to sleep from the most extreme exhaustion I've ever experienced. I woke up at about 12:00pm the next day and didn't feel much better, but didn't puke any more. I felt once again like I was walking in a weightless water, only everything seemed grayscale and there was no vibrance left to my sight like I had in previous caffeine experiences. I would try to walk around, but even though I felt no resistance, I would get EXTREMELY tired very quickly all of a sudden and feel like I was going to pass out again. It is very hard to describe. Constant nausea pursued.

I didn't sleep that night, and only about an hour the next, until finally the symptoms were gone.

Throughout the whole thing, I honestly felt like I was going to die. I had little control over my body and I felt like I was in a constant state of shock. When I was concious, I kept promising myself how careful I would be, praying to be allowed to live a little longer, swearing off dangerous things in my life. When I was finally able to walk easily and get around without getting quickly exhausted, I went outside and sat in a lawnchair, just looking at the trees, and the sky, and the grass...I got a whole new feeling toward and appreciation for life that day. I was so thankful to be alive...not only can I not describe it, but I can't see anyone truely experiencing this same feeling without having nearly died (in a slow and painful way).

Watch out what you do while you're young. Things that seem fine and not harmful can be thousands times worse than you ever could imagine. I recommend not doing anything with pure caffeine or drugs or other things like this without EXTENSIVE research and EXTREME caution...and even then, I don't recommend it).

By the way, you cannot melt and shoot up caffeine as it does not change properties and stay liquid for a decent period of time like cocaine(yes, I tried )...it almost immediately goes back to a solid state. It also seems difficult to make it smokable, though I only tried one method. Snorting it is another way I tried it, but its not potent enough to make up for the pain you get when the powder goes into your sinuses...you need more than you can realistically take that way to get a decent "high."

I just typed this up for your thread, and I hope it will influence what you do. I did not make this up to scare you - this is just what I have experience....take it or leave it. I'm glad I had a chance to possibly positively contibute to a decision you might soon make.

Maul

Edit: Check out this page for similar - though not usually as bad - experiences (under Bad Trips and Difficult Experiences). Some good info on that site.

Dude..... :Q


:Q

 

[xSauronx]

Originally posted by: konichiwa

Originally posted by: Heisenberg
Did you guys really all know that off the top of your head?

I hated chemistry as much as you probably do, but I remember most of it.

i hated it as much as anyone and only know i shouldnt mix chlorine and hydrochloric acid....or my eyes, skin or open cuts and hydrochloric acid, ouch.

 

[Maiora]

Since a salt is defined as an ionic compound formed from the reaction of an acid and a base, caffeine is not a salt.

Maiora

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Caffeine isn't a salt btw. A salt is compound made of a metal and a nonmetal, and there's some other stuff to the definition I don't remember.

 

[LordMaul]

Originally posted by: tweakmm
I can probably help you out with most other drugs, but you really should listen to Lord Maul when it comes to cafffeine:beer:
That being said, I'm going to have to try out the pure caffeine powder

Did I mention I cannot have caffeine in large doses anymore? Aside from the occasional can/glass of pop(which I have drastically cut down), anything with caffeine in large amounts gives me similar experiences as before(only on a smaller level)...I feel extremely nauseous, terrible headaches, that weird in-a-weightless-state feeling, etc.

And, though maybe not directly connected to the OD(that of which was very similar, as I am told, to a bad cocaine OD though I have not personally experienced that yet...) I have constant headaches that only go away with a constant stream of aspirin/tylenol. Like I said before, be careful if you don't want your life possibly changed forever, or even end up dead.