Is Bush's goal to suck California dry?

[etech]

leozh

Why in your vast and extensive knowledge do you think that the President of the United States as you so eloquently put it "sucks"

Don?t spare the words, lay bare your true feeling and thoughts.

 

[leozh]

Because he is a conservative idiot who campaigned as a centurist and is running a Nazi administration?

Among his noble goals are to bring 'integrity' to the White House... (I really have a lot of respect for Bush, and his alcoholism), and then there is his yearning to destroy the environment. I also forgot his great tax policy which does nothing for most people and pays back his old campaign pals for the election he stole.

That, in a nutshell is why I hate him.

 

[etech]

shiner, do you have the address for the "unprogamming" half-way house, this kid is a basket case.

centurist? He ran as a Republican and his goals were spelled out many times. Please explain
1) what points of his platform do you think he has changed since he took office
2) I doubt you even know the true meaning of Nazi, but please, explain why you think the current administration can be compared to the National Socialists.

Compare and contrast the scandals of the first 100 days of the Clinton administration vs. Pres. Bush's. I have only heard of two incidents where the "appearance" of a possible conflict of interest were raised.

You do not seem to be aware of Pres. Bush's tax proposal.

Governor Bush?s Tax Cut Proposal

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1. Increase access to the middle class for hard working families:

Cut the current 15 percent tax bracket to 10 percent for the first $6,000 of taxable income for singles, the first $10,000 for single parents, and the first $12,000 for married couples.

Double the child tax credit to $1,000.

2. Treat all middle class families more fairly:

Cut the maximum tax rate for the middle class to 25 percent (versus the current maximum rates of 28 and 31 percent).

Greatly reduce the marriage penalty by restoring the 10 percent deduction for two earner families, allowing them to deduct up to an additional $3,000.

3. Encourage entrepreneurship and growth:

Cap the top tax rate at 33 percent (down from the current 39.6 percent).

Eliminate the death tax.

Make the research and development tax credit permanent.

4. Promote charitable giving and education:

Extend the deduction for charitable contributions to the 80 million taxpayers that do not itemize, and raise the cap on corporate giving.

Increase the annual contribution limit on Education Savings Accounts from $500 to $5,000 per child.
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In what way exactly do you think that Pres. Bush "yearns" to destroy the environment. Please mention the Kyoto treaty. I'll have a great time ripping that to shreds again.

 

[etech]

Sorry, I almost forgot

"the election he stole"

Explain the electoral college.
Find a link showing that Republicans were in local control of Florida's election offices.
Tell me whether it was a Republican or a democrat that designed the infamous "butterfly" ballot.

Do I need to go on or are you just going to run off with your tail between your legs after spouting your bs?

 

[HaVoC]

Wow guys, read all 200+ messages in this thread. Very entertaining. My conclusion is that it is pretty obvious that those blaming Bush for Cali's energy problems have little substance behind their rhetoric.

 

[67gt500]

etech, why bother.

You and I and the other rational individuals who understand the constitution and its importance know who won that election.

Who cares if a 15 year old canadian can't grasp the concept of legality. Over there they make the laws up as they go.

 

[SuperTool]

If Bush stole the election, the U.S. supreme court would have decided in favor of Gore.
The U.S. supreme court appointed Bush our president, so as far as I am concerned this matter is closed.

 

[67gt500]

With Pete Wilson as it's father you shouldn't expect a Future Miss America.

Wilson has been out of office for nearly four years now. Comparable circumstances would be conservative republicans blaming clinton for a lack of an energy policy 3 years from now. It just won't fly. Bush would have had three years to establish a substantive energy policy... blaming clinton wouldn't be accepted by the rational people in this country.

Just like blaming Wilson for this mess is unacceptable. You know perfectly well that Davis has made more than his fair share of contribution to this crisis and has had his hands on the wheel for the last three years.

Time to stop playing the idealogy game and time to lay down some serious planning. Price caps have never been proven to work in any circumstance. Nor have they ever been proven to stifle demand. Arguments made that capping prices while holding strict regulatory measures for conservation fall flat in that stiff penalties for corporate waste have existed for the last dozen years. And the resources used to prosecute individuals for consumer waste would be better spent in establishing and deploying plants sooner than this fall.

Now if you have a valid explanation as to how price caps would benefit the economy as a whole I would love to hear it.. and perhaps and example as to where price caps have succeeded in the past. Because I can list quite a few examples when price caps did not work.

 

[67gt500]

SuperTool,

The sad thing is that whether or not you feel bad things happened during the election, the entire thing is over with. So the people here saying things like 'stole the election' are only diverting attention.

 

[Aenygma]

Yes. ok? happy?

 

[etech]

SuperTool, can you explain why every recount that has been conducted shows Bush winning Florida?

 

[67gt500]

doesn't matter etech

they will scream disenfranchisement regardless.

 

[SuperTool]

Because the USSC interfered before a recount would have shown otherwise and "caused irreparable harm" to Dubya.

 

[MrChicken]

Are the MODS reading this thread?

I dont think they are or they would have stepped in. If they are, what is against the rules around here?

WTF? You cant say something is "gay" but you can say somebody is a NAZI, an idiot, redneck, wanker?

At this rate it wont be long before somebody threatens to go to sombody else's place and kick their butt, oh wait that's in here too.

I know I've been dragged into a heated debate a time or two, but the MODS should throw a bucket of water on this thread.

 

[etech]

SuperTool, you missed the point, all of the recounts since the election showed the Bush won. End of story, should be the end of whining about it.

MrChicken, this is actually quite a tame thread, you should of been here in the good old days.


Red and I have had heated discussions before. We(at least I) come away with no hard feelings. Sometimes the discussions do bring to mind the old paradox, "What happens when an irrestiable force meets an immovable object?"

 

[SuperTool]

I don't think they should be sensoring "gay", or any other names you mentioned for that matter.
Unless it's used in a threatening and harrassing way.

 

[SuperTool]

No, it's not the end of whining. It's up to the people of Florida to pick their electors, and not the US supreme court. I believe that is the premise on which the electoral college,whose cover you are envoking,was founded. So don't give me that sore loser, and whiner B.S. please.
If you want to have an intellectual discussian, stay away from personal attacks. But what else can one expect from Republicans. Bring themselves up by bringing others down.

 

[etech]

Sore loser, 'stole the election' right.

67gt500
Sadly, I fear you are correct in this matter sir.

 

[guitronics]

Mr.Bush won, by any measure you want to utilize, except the popular vote;and with all of the 'mistakes'made by the media,and the Democrat machine;he might have won that also.We'll never know.

Mr. Bush is not the first president to win by the electoral college,as opposed to the popular vote.He is not even the 2nd president to win in this fashion.

George W.Bush is the official President of the United States.Accept it.

 

[SuperTool]

<< 67gt500
Sadly, I fear you are correct in this matter sir. >>


Good for you. I think until you have something important to add to this argument you better stick to talkin with people who agree with your position. Makes it a lot easier.

 

[67gt500]

What would you propose SuperTool? That we simply disregard the constitution, disregard the time period allotted to elect a president and just have run offs for the next two years?

 

[SuperTool]

<< George W.Bush is the official President of the United States.Accept it. >>


Most Americans, including me accept GWB as the president of the United States. It's how he got there that is in question.

 

[etech]

SuperTool, I might as well converse with 67gt500 , until you get over this irrational belief that Pres. Bush stole the election or the USSC somehow appointed him, it will be impossible to have any sort of rational discussion with you.

 

[67gt500]

Most Americans, including me accept GWB as the president of the United States. It's how he got there that is in question

Let's see how he got there... he won Al Gore's home state. Had Gore won his own state florida wouldn't have been an issue and all of these mis-haps which occured in democratically controlled districts would have gone unnoticed. And we all know that.

Florida was one of fifty states put under the microscope. Let's put them all under the scope before we criticize.

 

[67gt500]

Should also mention that Bush won by winning a majority of the electoral votes.. this of course is an obvious.. but he did this by not centralizing his campaigns to particular locations like Gore did. Gore focused his campaign on key hot spots like the brain of CA and NY.. which just goes to show how needed the electoral system is. Why do you think hillary clinton now opposes the electoral college?

Because she can't win with it in place. She can't win any of the southern or mid western states.. she would have to rely on the boiling points of CA and New England.