Is Bush's goal to suck California dry?

[etech]

SuperTool,"Looks like Bushie Boy caved in on price caps. "

Let'see, if the FERC had not voted for ``price mitigation'' you would of been here posting how Pres. Bush is out to "get California". Now that the FERC has voted for limited price ceilings, you are here saying the Pres. Bush caved in.
I just want to make sure that I understand your motivations correctly.

Congratulations to California for advoiding blackouts on Monday.

 

[Red Dawn]

<< Looks like Bushie Boy caved in on price caps. >>

It's not like he had much of a choice

 

[DietDrThunder]

<<Maybe some of the overcrowded citezenry of Southern California should move to less crowded regions.>>

They are! I've seen some of the new census data for the county I live in. The largest group of immigrants are Californians. What's funny is that they are all coming to Texas.

 

[Red Dawn]

<< What's funny is that they are all coming to Texas. >>

Texas could use the fresh genepool.

 

[DietDrThunder]

Or I guess I shouldn't think its funny that Californians are coming to Texas in droves. It just means that they will bring all the problems they created with them. Here is an example of what I'm talking about:

A friend of mine that lives in California told me about the windturbines they have there. California had a program in which you'd get a $15,000 state income tax deduction if you put up a windturbine to generate electricity. He said a lot of people jumped at the deal. People were buying into windturbines with as little as $5,000 and taking the full deduction. Now I'm not saying this is bad. What's bad is that once the windturbine would start showing a profit, in order to avoid paying more in income taxes, they'd turn the windturbine off. I had a hard time believing this until my wife and I went out there on vacation. Only about a third of them were on and it was a farely windy day.

Another problem California has is that they haven't built enough power plants to cover the demand. It seems that you Californians have the &quot;Not in My backyard&quot; attitude. Then you also expect poor old Mexico to build you power plants. They have enough polution problems of their own without adding more to the mix.

Stop blaming others for your own states problems.

 

[flavio]

They are building bunches of power plants here in California.

Bush is an a$$

 

[Red Dawn]

<< Or I guess I shouldn't think its funny that Californians are coming to Texas in droves >>

That just means more competition for Jobs. With the Illegals Mexicans and the Californians taking all the White Collar jobs because of their superior Education you Texans will be stuck working at Taco Bell or the Governors Office. Of course you could always move to Oklahoma and get a Job as a Security Guard.

 

[DietDrThunder]

Red Dawn,

With the sad state of affairs the Californians have gotten themselves into, I can't see that there will be any problem competing with them. Yes, sure, some of the smart ones will leave. But not enough to make a bit of difference in the job market.

 

[Red Dawn]

nt

 

[Red Dawn]

<< Yes, sure, some of the smart ones will leave >>

Well if you are any indication of the Texas Brainpower, it won't take to much smarts to raise the over all IQ level of the area where you are living.

As bad as it gets here it will always be better than Texas.

 

[DietDrThunder]

It amazes me how superior you Californians (or is it just Red Dawn) think you are compared to the rest of the country. If your so flippen superior, why haven't you solved not only your energy and pollution problems, but the worlds?

Another point on your supposed superiority. If your Colleges and Universities are so much better, after factoring in the cost of living adjustments, why aren't Californians earning more money than Texans. Per capita income in Texas is about $2,000 a year higher than California.

Oh, and on your comment Red Dawn:
<<Well if you are any indication of the Texas Brainpower, it won't take to much smarts to raise the over all IQ level of the area where you are living.>>

No, I'll never state that I'm the smartest guy in the world. I'll never state that I'm superior than anyone else. But please Red Dawn, respond with a statement that would lead me to believe that I'm not debating with a third grade elementary student.

 

[glenn1]

California isn't comprised totally of people who are full of themselves, in fact, while i was there, i found it just the opposite. Of course there's always going to be people with an attitude, whether they're Californian or whatever else. Of course, those are the ones who make the rest of the folks look bad...

California, by putting into place a well-intentioned but flawed plan (albeit one which seemed like a good idea at the time) put itself into a bit of a bind. The only problem is that there's no true neat and easy solution to the problem at hand. Putting price caps into place would help in the short term, but are ultimately just putting a band-aid on the wound and allowing it to fester. Ultimately there will need to be a reckoning to adjust supply and demand back into balance. The question simply becomes one of what the best way to accomplish that will, trying to ensure that the least amount of damage and discomfort is caused during that process, and who bears the costs of it.

 

[Red Dawn]

<< It amazes me how superior you Californians (or is it just Red Dawn) think you are compared to the rest of the country >>

Not superior to the rest of the Country, just you. You have audacity to claim that we are debating. What debate? You post pure drivel and I respond in kind, that my fine furry friend is not a debate.



<< respond with a statement that would lead me to believe that I'm not debating with a third grade elementary student. >>

I wanted to make the post in terms that you would understand Cepak, anything else might have gone over your head.



<< California, by putting into place a well-intentioned but flawed plan (albeit one which seemed like a good idea at the time) put itself into a bit of a bind. >>

Actually it seems to have been obviously Flawed from the get go. One must wonder what Pete Wilson was thinking when he and the Legislature voted this in. Actually it's well known what he was thinking. He wanted to give his Presidential Campaign a boost so he figured that if he would force this through he might look like a Republican Golden Boy. As for the Republicvan and Democrat legislature, obviously they were foolish enough to try and ride on this fools coattails which turned out making them look almost as foolish as this Califronian Republican Golden Boy.



<< The question simply becomes one of what the best way to accomplish that will, trying to ensure that the least amount of damage and discomfort is caused during that process, and who bears the costs of it. >>

Build more plants (which we are doing right now) As far as I know it's not going to cost anybody else besides California. The price Caps wouldn't have been necessary if the Texas and Okie Power Companies wouldn't have gotten greedy and tried to pad thier profits by trying to gouge us. Obviously they felt with GW in office they had a Boy who they could lead by the nose. And if it weren't for the Senate and Davis they just might have got away with it. Thanks to pressure from Ca's Governors officve and the Senate we here in California won't be paying for the CEO of Enron's Bonus at the End of the Year for leading their Company to record Profits.

 

[glenn1]

<< Actually it seems to have been obviously Flawed from the get go. One must wonder what Pete Wilson was thinking when he and the Legislature voted this in. >>



I won't disagree - i was trying to be polite earlier... i didn't want to be the one to say, &quot;my, what an ugly baby you have Mrs. California&quot;

 

[Red Dawn]

<< i didn't want to be the one to say, &quot;my, what an ugly baby you have Mrs. California&quot; >>

With Pete Wilson as it's father you shouldn't expect a Future Miss America.

 

[edwooten]

California screwed California. Bush had nothing to do with it. Do some research.

 

[SuperTool]

The reason Californians are moving to Texas mainly involves the migration from Silicon Valley to Austin. Most of the big companies in Silicon Valley, including mine, have operations in Texas, and Boston area. When there are too many people in Silicon Valley, they overflow to Texas. If they want to stay with the same company, it's easiest to move to Austin. I might move to Texas too, eventually. Who knows.
Anyways, I wouldn't be too happy about that, because if tech sector collapses here in CA, there will be a lot of highly qualified Californians taking jobs from less qualified people in other states.

 

[etech]

SuperTool, that is probably one of the reasons.

Another is that California is paying people to move out of the state.

nytimes.com/
Over the last three years, Tulare County has paid more than 750 welfare recipients like Ms. Gedert an average of $1,600 a family to move almost anywhere in the country. For Tulare, one of the poorest counties in the country, giving welfare recipients a one-way ticket out is one solution to an unemployment rate that wavers between 15 and 20 percent

To officials here, the relocation assistance offers the best if not only way for the valley's unemployed, uneducated poor to progress, especially since the 1996 federal welfare bill put a five-year lifetime limit on welfare benefits.

The program was expanded to Kings County, west of Tulare, in October, and to Fresno County, the heart of what is known as the Central Valley's San Joaquin Valley farm belt, in March.

The rapid growth of the program says much about this large swath of California, long mired in poverty. While the Central Valley is the richest food-producing region in the world, it is also one of the poorest places in the country. Unemployment in the valley, with 5 million residents in 18 counties, averages about 10 percent, about three times the national average. In Tulare, the unemployment rate is 15 percent in the best of times.

And many of the small farm towns in Tulare, which has a population of 368,000, and other parts of the valley, where virtually all the work is seasonal, have much higher unemployment, up to 50 percent. Tulare's labor pool of about 150,000 people includes 10,500 families that receive welfare.

More than a third of Tulare's residents receive some kind of public assistance, census figures show, and the figures in other counties, particularly in the southern end, are not much less. Many officials here will point out that if the Central Valley were a state, it would have the nation's most depressed economy.

&quot;We are giving hope to people who are facing close to starvation,&quot; said Frank Escobar, who manages Tulare's relocation program, known by its acronym, MOVE, or More Opportunities for Viable Employment. &quot;We are really a relief valve to the large unemployment problem and the poverty of the Central Valley because families are moved and working full time, able to get off welfare, able to save enough money to start thinking about buying a house.&quot;

 

[soapdish]

Dudes,


Texas is the fifth state I've lived in, and yes I can tell you for a fact, Texas SUCKS!


Weather isn't too bad, but something in the water turned the natives into troglodytes (sp?).



Seriously, I hear houston aint bad, but the red neck factor here is just a bit too close to KKK for me.

The thing about other states though, is that they ignore their red-neck history/practioners. They freakin' celebrate it here. I can't believe that a place like this exists in the 21st century... Makes me actually want to return to St. Louis!

 

[shiner]

<< They freakin' celebrate it here. >>



Texans are probably the most prideful of the state than any of the citizens of the other 49. Of course it is the only state that was once it's own country(ok Hawaii as well but you know what I mean) and had to fight it's own war of independence.

 

[charrison]

<< Seriously, I hear houston aint bad, but the red neck factor here is just a bit too close to KKK for me.

>>



Being a redneck does not make you a member of the kkk.

 

[leozh]

Bush sucks.

 

[leozh]

Bush really sucks...

 

[shiner]

<< Bush sucks. >>



Wow!!! What an enlightening opinion. Why now I can sleep better at night knowing that a new member here has such a vast amount of intelligence and is able to get his point across in such an eloquent manner. Bravo to you sir...the day is yours.

 

[leozh]

What more is there to say?